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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 27 2012 18:09 GMT
#4221
Acro: why exactly do you think that there cannot be a cycle where you do not have an ability to use?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:17 GMT
#4222
On November 28 2012 03:09 phagga wrote:
Acro: why exactly do you think that there cannot be a cycle where you do not have an ability to use?


It's possible, but I think it would make my role rather boring after 9 cycles. Anyway, 9 cycles is a long time away.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:28 GMT
#4223
Okay, Greymist is here, so I guess I couldn't kill the golem. Maybe I'm the wrong guy, or maybe the countdown has nothing to do with the golem.

Any other ideas for the countdown and the weird time between the numbers?

I tried looking at the timestamps as numbers rather than times and that made no sense either. I can't think of a reason for posting a countdown unless we are supposed to react to it in some way.
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 27 2012 18:30 GMT
#4224
On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
...
Are you the guy who has to kill me?


Someone has to kill you and you claimed?

How about you read my claim. It's explained there.

/VERY tired of people not reading the thread.


Are you referring to this part of your claim?

"because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me"

I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 27 2012 18:36 GMT
#4225
guys I have an exam tomorrow I really need to study for. There is another exam on friday which is a stupid one, so I'll be able to kinda catch up on wednesday/thursday, and post more on friday + weekend
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 27 2012 18:41 GMT
#4226
On November 28 2012 03:28 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, Greymist is here, so I guess I couldn't kill the golem. Maybe I'm the wrong guy, or maybe the countdown has nothing to do with the golem.

Any other ideas for the countdown and the weird time between the numbers?

I tried looking at the timestamps as numbers rather than times and that made no sense either. I can't think of a reason for posting a countdown unless we are supposed to react to it in some way.

Well either no one knows, or the select few don't want us to know. If it is the Golem Overlord, he's just going to flee anyways so we don't need to worry about it.
Other countdowns include the Guardian from Arris Dome (2300AD), Azala+BlackTyrano (65000000BC) and Rust Tyrano (600AD)
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 18:42 GMT
#4227
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.

Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.

Votes on Acro D2: 0.
People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.

The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!

I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted.

Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to.

So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?

Hey, you forgot about me!

In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.

In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.

Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
November 27 2012 18:48 GMT
#4228
Even if he is scum, which I doubt, then it would be wise to let him continue busing his teammates to us, no?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:48 GMT
#4229
On November 28 2012 03:30 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
...
Are you the guy who has to kill me?


Someone has to kill you and you claimed?

How about you read my claim. It's explained there.

/VERY tired of people not reading the thread.


Are you referring to this part of your claim?

"because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me"

I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation.

The cat WAS out of the bag. Speculation or not, there were at least 3 people thinking I was 3P. Scumteam probably already had it figured even earlier. Djodref basically phrased his question oddly, but he did ask me whether I was 3P. Saying no would have made things worse if I ever have to claim in the future, which was looking increasingly likely with the parity check.

The parity check alone also weighed in on my decision. Better to claim 3P now and get that evidence off the table against Hopeless1der. I think he's scum. I think he should be killed. But I don't want people killing him because of your check, and I definitely don't want people going after ME if he were to flip town. Claiming 3P afterwards would have looked terrible. "Scum trying to get out of being lynched" would be the first thing that would come to my mind if I were townie having mislynched one side of a parity check. I really want that excuse out of the way.

Also, go ahead and check me against Toad if you don't believe me. I would be much obliged.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 27 2012 18:50 GMT
#4230
On November 28 2012 03:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:30 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
...
Are you the guy who has to kill me?


Someone has to kill you and you claimed?

How about you read my claim. It's explained there.

/VERY tired of people not reading the thread.


Are you referring to this part of your claim?

"because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me"

I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation.

The cat WAS out of the bag. Speculation or not, there were at least 3 people thinking I was 3P. Scumteam probably already had it figured even earlier. Djodref basically phrased his question oddly, but he did ask me whether I was 3P. Saying no would have made things worse if I ever have to claim in the future, which was looking increasingly likely with the parity check.

The parity check alone also weighed in on my decision. Better to claim 3P now and get that evidence off the table against Hopeless1der. I think he's scum. I think he should be killed. But I don't want people killing him because of your check, and I definitely don't want people going after ME if he were to flip town. Claiming 3P afterwards would have looked terrible. "Scum trying to get out of being lynched" would be the first thing that would come to my mind if I were townie having mislynched one side of a parity check. I really want that excuse out of the way.

Also, go ahead and check me against Toad if you don't believe me. I would be much obliged.

He's broke, remember?
On November 28 2012 02:26 TheChronicler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote:
Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves?

Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK).

This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim.

Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get?

Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name.

On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread.

I already said what I did D2.

D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it.



@Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals.

There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help.

*cough* *cough*

I'm broke. I have no more checks, I can't protect anyone else. There's a reason I didn't check hopeless against Toad. There's a reason I didn't check YOU against Toad.

Clarity between the two of us that means Marv took something greater than or equal to 550 damage if I'm adding correctly?


Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 27 2012 18:50 GMT
#4231
On November 28 2012 03:48 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:30 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
...
Are you the guy who has to kill me?


Someone has to kill you and you claimed?

How about you read my claim. It's explained there.

/VERY tired of people not reading the thread.


Are you referring to this part of your claim?

"because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me"

I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation.

The cat WAS out of the bag. Speculation or not, there were at least 3 people thinking I was 3P. Scumteam probably already had it figured even earlier. Djodref basically phrased his question oddly, but he did ask me whether I was 3P. Saying no would have made things worse if I ever have to claim in the future, which was looking increasingly likely with the parity check.

The parity check alone also weighed in on my decision. Better to claim 3P now and get that evidence off the table against Hopeless1der. I think he's scum. I think he should be killed. But I don't want people killing him because of your check, and I definitely don't want people going after ME if he were to flip town. Claiming 3P afterwards would have looked terrible. "Scum trying to get out of being lynched" would be the first thing that would come to my mind if I were townie having mislynched one side of a parity check. I really want that excuse out of the way.

Also, go ahead and check me against Toad if you don't believe me. I would be much obliged.

He's said MULTIPLE times that he's out of gold to use for checks....
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 18:52 GMT
#4232
On November 28 2012 03:42 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.

Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.

Votes on Acro D2: 0.
People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.

The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!

I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted.

Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to.

So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?

Hey, you forgot about me!

In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.

In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.

Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?


I think Toad fits a 3rd party read to a T.

The guy is incredibly active, and largely pro-town, with some slightly "off" things in his filter. That's a really classic example of a third party.

But since we all think that Toad is 99.9% scum, consider this: Acro was the first person to build a significant case and push Toad's lynch. On top of this, he did this on D2, when Sandroba was the consensus lynch. There is no conceivable way that Scum would turn down an easy bussing opportunity to bus another of their teammates. Makes no damn sense from a mafia perspective.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 27 2012 18:52 GMT
#4233
Acro, if you explained why you thought your N1 action would cause masonry, would you be revealing your role?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:55 GMT
#4234
On November 28 2012 03:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:28 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, Greymist is here, so I guess I couldn't kill the golem. Maybe I'm the wrong guy, or maybe the countdown has nothing to do with the golem.

Any other ideas for the countdown and the weird time between the numbers?

I tried looking at the timestamps as numbers rather than times and that made no sense either. I can't think of a reason for posting a countdown unless we are supposed to react to it in some way.

Well either no one knows, or the select few don't want us to know. If it is the Golem Overlord, he's just going to flee anyways so we don't need to worry about it.
Other countdowns include the Guardian from Arris Dome (2300AD), Azala+BlackTyrano (65000000BC) and Rust Tyrano (600AD)

Want to try whatever you think is effective against them?

##kill Guardian body

Haven't gotten to the other boss fights yet, so no clue what to do in the cooldown
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:57 GMT
#4235
On November 28 2012 03:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Acro, if you explained why you thought your N1 action would cause masonry, would you be revealing your role?

No. Actually the name of the ability made me think it didn't, but I asked Greymist about another ability name I have which makes no sense lorewise and he told me he simply ran out of names.

The reason I thought it caused a mason chat is because it targeted 3 people. With Aperture (and its various communication channels) in the back of my mind, I hoped for a mason chat.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#4236
On November 28 2012 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 03:42 Keirathi wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.

Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.

Votes on Acro D2: 0.
People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.

The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!

I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted.

Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to.

So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?

Hey, you forgot about me!

In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.

In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.

Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?


I think Toad fits a 3rd party read to a T.

The guy is incredibly active, and largely pro-town, with some slightly "off" things in his filter. That's a really classic example of a third party.

But since we all think that Toad is 99.9% scum, consider this: Acro was the first person to build a significant case and push Toad's lynch. On top of this, he did this on D2, when Sandroba was the consensus lynch. There is no conceivable way that Scum would turn down an easy bussing opportunity to bus another of their teammates. Makes no damn sense from a mafia perspective.


Herpaderp. PARITY CHECK. SAME as Sandroba.
TheChronicler
Profile Joined October 2012
Macedonia260 Posts
November 27 2012 18:59 GMT
#4237
You bemoan me for not reading when I did read while you haven't read anything I've written :/

I still don't think you should have claimed. Your confirm red check should never have been claimed, and your claim just now never should have happened. Toad is the very clear next lynch, there isn't any REAL pressure on you for at least two cycles (that's on the assumption of two lynches consecutively) and on top of this no scum in their right mind would kill you while there's that much suspicion on you so you don't even have to worry about that (which you clearly weren't anyways). I just don't get it.
Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 19:00 GMT
#4238
On November 28 2012 03:42 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.

Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.

Votes on Acro D2: 0.
People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.

The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!

I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted.

Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to.

So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?

Hey, you forgot about me!

In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.

In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.

Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?


My role PM does not mention someone hunting me. Common sense tells me there's probably someone hunting me to prevent me from just roleclaiming in my first post.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 19:00 GMT
#4239
On November 28 2012 03:58 Acrofales wrote:
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On November 28 2012 03:52 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 28 2012 03:42 Keirathi wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop.

I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me.

Have I given you any reason not to trust me?

Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did?

I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them.

You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen.

Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking.

Votes on Acro D2: 0.
People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it.

The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!

I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted.

Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to.

So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me?

Hey, you forgot about me!

In all seriousness, I'm not really sure what to do about you. I mentioned the things I found off about your play this game to Hapa. And third party could definitely explain them. My problem, of course, is that so could scum.

In a game with a limited amount of lynches, as it seems, third party survivor makes a ton of sense for scum to fake-claim.

Anyways, does your role PM specifically mention someone "hunting" you, so to speak? If so, why the hell did you claim at all? If not, why is your default assumption that there is someone looking for you?


I think Toad fits a 3rd party read to a T.

The guy is incredibly active, and largely pro-town, with some slightly "off" things in his filter. That's a really classic example of a third party.

But since we all think that Toad is 99.9% scum, consider this: Acro was the first person to build a significant case and push Toad's lynch. On top of this, he did this on D2, when Sandroba was the consensus lynch. There is no conceivable way that Scum would turn down an easy bussing opportunity to bus another of their teammates. Makes no damn sense from a mafia perspective.


Herpaderp. PARITY CHECK. SAME as Sandroba.


The 0.1% chance is in the event that he got double-framed or something. Super super unlikely yes, but just acknowledging the remote possibility. You seem to be arguing semantics though, since I wouldn't dream of lynching/killing anyone else before him.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18284 Posts
November 27 2012 19:01 GMT
#4240
On November 28 2012 03:59 TheChronicler wrote:
You bemoan me for not reading when I did read while you haven't read anything I've written :/

I still don't think you should have claimed. Your confirm red check should never have been claimed, and your claim just now never should have happened. Toad is the very clear next lynch, there isn't any REAL pressure on you for at least two cycles (that's on the assumption of two lynches consecutively) and on top of this no scum in their right mind would kill you while there's that much suspicion on you so you don't even have to worry about that (which you clearly weren't anyways). I just don't get it.

So, you think I played suboptimally. /shrug.
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