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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Him being scum is unlikely, regarding that last line? He was amongst the first to build a case and push Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=127#2523 He did so before it was popular, and really aggressively pushed him as a lynch option on the D2 lynch. I find it incredibly unlikely that he was scum and did so. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. Oooh interesting. So I didn't receive anything about getting healed, and healing actions towards me didn't go through for whatever reasoh. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town. I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party. I look forward to hear from z-boson again. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:19 phagga wrote: I object on Prom or Hopeless being in the party. I lean on syllos side when it comes to prom, I can follow his arguments and agree with them. Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town. I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party. I look forward to hear from z-boson again. I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Acro made a comment on wanting to hear an explanation about you healing me D1, and I'm inclined to agree. You had a really strong town read on me D1... On November 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote: From phone I saw hapas post he has my sword this is town hapa [b]## vote hapa [b//] ...however it's pretty unexplained. Is you being drunk Thanksgiving the only explanation you have for this (both the town-read and the heal)? Needless to say it's not very convincing. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote: Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves? Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK). This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim. Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get? Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name. On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread. I already said what I did D2. D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it. @Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals. There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help. *cough* *cough* I'm broke. I have no more checks, I can't protect anyone else. There's a reason I didn't check hopeless against Toad. There's a reason I didn't check YOU against Toad. Clarity between the two of us that means Marv took something greater than or equal to 550 damage if I'm adding correctly? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote: I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told You took 50 damage You were healed. Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me. I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so. But you do understand that town will not want the risk to take you along, right? I mean, it must be obvious that if town generally sees you as null/scum, then you will not be taken along. Therefore coming forward and saying that you need to be with the party to prove you're town is nonsensical. However, realising that you have been figured out as scum and martyring by failing an event for town seems quite a reasonable idea. Finally, you want to prove you are town? Why don't you show interest in the game? (and with this I mean generally, not only when you are accused of being scum). Why don't you try to find the scum amidst us? Acro just did you a favor by claiming third party, as it means you can actually be town without theChronicler lying. However, you can also still be scum. It's up to you to prove to us now that your town through your behaviour. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18182 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote: You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking. Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it. The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?! I was clearly suspected of being scum. Only person who even voiced that was Syllo and he said it without having read my filter. Stop throwing suspicion around unwarranted. Anyway, who said that I would have played WORSE? I would probably have played a lot SAFER. Like, I would not have looked so ridiculously townie that people wanted to take me along for the ride on D3, forcing me to claim I didn't want to. So. Why are you misrepresenting what happened just to be suspicious of me? In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18182 Posts
Don't heal me, don't take me along on parties. Hell, you can even ignore all the help I give in scumhunting. Just don't go out of your way to kill me, because it is 1. a complete waste of your resources (this goes for town or scum) and 2. fucks me over for no reason whatsoever. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18182 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:31 phagga wrote: But you do understand that town will not want the risk to take you along, right? I mean, it must be obvious that if town generally sees you as null/scum, then you will not be taken along. Therefore coming forward and saying that you need to be with the party to prove you're town is nonsensical. However, realising that you have been figured out as scum and martyring by failing an event for town seems quite a reasonable idea. Finally, you want to prove you are town? Why don't you show interest in the game? (and with this I mean generally, not only when you are accused of being scum). Why don't you try to find the scum amidst us? Acro just did you a favor by claiming third party, as it means you can actually be town without theChronicler lying. However, you can also still be scum. It's up to you to prove to us now that your town through your behaviour. I do understand why town wont risk it, and point taken. I just wanted to be clear that there is a town motivated explanation for my actions. I'm trying to maximize the use of our potential lynches, and possibly any town KP we might have. As for my scumhunting, I rely way too much on flips to figure out my scumreads. Z-Bo is now my top scum read, but Toad is still getting flipped first. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
In addition, his day 1 actions line up pretty well with what I'd expect scum to do. Strong early support for Sandroba's candidacy, barely any mention of other candidates (other than a lone, slimly-discussed vote on Goodkarma), and a strong early buss of Sandroba on D2. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Overall, I think we're starting to focus too much on players that are drawing attention to themselves rather than looking for people not in the spotlight. Players like Acro and Hopeless are really engaged with the thread atm, and while I'm waffling wildly on them (especially Hopeless), I'm starting to think this is a town trait. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote: In fact, what have you DONE this game? Are you the guy who has to kill me? Risk.Nuke Day1: Suspected me of being scum. Has unexplained connection with Kitaman. Otherwise, was fairly quiet. Day 2: Suspected Syllo of being scum, accused Sandroba as scum (Sandro accused him right back), got into an argument with Kita where they both accused each other of scum. Voted to hang sandro. Otherwise, was fairly quiet. (Day2, everyone was jumping on Kita and Sandro, so to me this looks like simple bandwagoning) Day 3: Makes two safe towny calls on Syllo and Oats. After that, it's flat out scum accusations towards VE, Adam, and Acro. Otherwise, fairly quiet. Day 4: NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING. He has been cruising under the radar, jumping on the obvious wagons that have formed from time to time. He is one of the few people in the game who have had no serious incoming lines, which tells me he has been actively avoiding the spotlight. Also, what little bit of mud he has thrown has largely been on people who I've had neutral or town reads on. To me, this smells like someone just took a 27 lb scumball turkey out of the oven, stuffed it full of scum, then served it with a giant helping of scummed potatoes and gravy. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote: ... Are you the guy who has to kill me? Someone has to kill you and you claimed? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18182 Posts
All other information is unconfirmed and there is nothing we can do with it anyway, because we don't have a lynch. One thing I can tell you is that Greymist seems not to expect this game to go past 9 cycles, as I have 9 1-shot spells to use. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18182 Posts
On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote: Someone has to kill you and you claimed? How about you read my claim. It's explained there. /VERY tired of people not reading the thread. | ||
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