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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 14:55 GMT
#4161
He was like fuck it, 6 minutes early, this is good timing
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 15:01 GMT
#4162
Where you run off to hapa?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 27 2012 15:20 GMT
#4163
My building have been without internet since last night. I think things are working again now.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 27 2012 15:21 GMT
#4164
Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS.

Toad is scum.
Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles.
TheChronicler is town and says his truth.
Prom is town and says his truth.
Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town/scum.
If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum.

Adam is more likely to be town than scum.
I'm very uncomfortable with VE.

There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ?

Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 15:26 GMT
#4165
On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

then why didn't you report my heal?


Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >>

So either
a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that)
b) I took more than 100 damage
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 15:28 GMT
#4166
On November 28 2012 00:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

then why didn't you report my heal?


Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >>

So either
a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that)
b) I took more than 100 damage

uh let me go check something.

From my understanding you receive a notification as long as the heal does actual healing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 15:34 GMT
#4167
Mementoss told me as far as he's concerned that's how it is. He did say he's not 100% sure and I should check with greymist, so I'm waiting on a reply.

So hapa, I healed you for 100. So you're saying you took 150 damage and I healed you for 100 so your PM said you took 50 damage?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 27 2012 15:35 GMT
#4168
On November 28 2012 00:28 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 00:26 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

then why didn't you report my heal?


Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >>

So either
a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that)
b) I took more than 100 damage

uh let me go check something.

From my understanding you receive a notification as long as the heal does actual healing.


Healing and damage prevention are different things imo.
Do you know if a targeted players dies after or before damage prevention ? Do you see my point ?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 27 2012 15:36 GMT
#4169
On November 28 2012 00:35 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 00:28 iamperfection wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:26 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1


I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

then why didn't you report my heal?


Because I didn't receive notification of a heal >>

So either
a) You didn't heal me (but I don't know why you'd lie about that)
b) I took more than 100 damage

uh let me go check something.

From my understanding you receive a notification as long as the heal does actual healing.


Healing and damage prevention are different things imo.
Do you know if a targeted players dies after or before damage prevention ? Do you see my point ?


I already asked this, I got told that all healing/damage/damage prevention happens at the same time. So if someone at 50 hp is being damage for 50 and healed for 1 the person would live.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 15:39 GMT
#4170
hapa i don't see your dmg report after day 1 where was it?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18179 Posts
November 27 2012 16:01 GMT
#4171
Anybody need to kill the Golem Overlord? Chronopedia mentions he has a countdown. That is the only one I can find.

Fuck it, lets try
##kill Golem Overlord

Note, I do not have this ability in my role pm and have no clue whether it'll work or not, but it's the only thing related to a countdown I can find. It is pure speculation.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 16:02 GMT
#4172
On November 28 2012 01:01 Acrofales wrote:
Anybody need to kill the Golem Overlord? Chronopedia mentions he has a countdown. That is the only one I can find.

Fuck it, lets try
##kill Golem Overlord

Note, I do not have this ability in my role pm and have no clue whether it'll work or not, but it's the only thing related to a countdown I can find. It is pure speculation.

i will give you so many e-sports dollars if that actually works
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18179 Posts
November 27 2012 16:09 GMT
#4173
On November 28 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote:
Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS.

Toad is scum.
Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles.
TheChronicler is town and says his truth.
Prom is town and says his truth.
Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town/scum.
If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum.

Adam is more likely to be town than scum.
I'm very uncomfortable with VE.

There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ?

Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ?

Is this your not-so-subtle way of asking me whether I'm third party?

I think your Hopeless Zbo conditional is stretching the association a bit. Also Zbo might be scum regardless of Hopeless' flip. I don't see his case as particularly indicative of alignment: Zbo was catching some pressure and making a case is a good way of getting out from pressure. I, and probably many other people, were very suspicious of Hopeless. If Hopeless is scum, then this would be a pretty good opportunity to bus.

I don't think anybody can disagree on how you feel about VE. They might feel differently, though. Personally, I agree and feel there's a good chance of him being scum. He keeps saying "sorry I'm not contributing" and jumping out of the thread for the next 24 hours again. Hard to tell, though, it's VE.

I see no reason to heap Kita and CJ together. I fail to see a link between them.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 27 2012 16:09 GMT
#4174
On November 28 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote:
Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS.

Toad is scum.
Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles.
TheChronicler is town and says his truth.
Prom is town and says his truth.
Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town
If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum.

Adam is more likely to be town than scum.
I'm very uncomfortable with VE.

There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ?

Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ?

I've made one change to this post. I'm not scum. Also, Z-Bo being scum isn't really tied to me the way you've phrased it, but sure. Everything else, I agree is the simplest explanation.

What are the thoughts on killing off 3rd party in lieu of scum? Our job is to kill Lavos, and while hunting scum makes Lavos appear sooner, we don't know if that's a good thing. Either way, we don't win just by killing off scum. Basically I'm asking if I should be trying to get Acro killed or not.



On November 28 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote:
hapa i don't see your dmg report after day 1 where was it?

He didn't report day1 damage
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1

I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2?

This was cycle 2, not cycle 1. Aside from that, his total damage claimed checks out, but his "lie" about when the damage took place is sketchy.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 16:13 GMT
#4175
Oh 'doh sorry I keep mixing up my days.

I took 0 damage D1,
100 damage D2
50 damage D3

Forgot D1 existed for some reason >>

All I know is that I received a PM after Day 2 stating I took 100 damage
Then I received a PM after D3 stating I took 50.
I'm grateful that you guys healed me, but either I didn't receive the heal or I simply took a but-load of damage on those days. I'm thinking the latter.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 27 2012 16:18 GMT
#4176
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 16:19 GMT
#4177
On November 28 2012 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh 'doh sorry I keep mixing up my days.

I took 0 damage D1,
100 damage D2
50 damage D3

Forgot D1 existed for some reason >>

All I know is that I received a PM after Day 2 stating I took 100 damage
Then I received a PM after D3 stating I took 50.
I'm grateful that you guys healed me, but either I didn't receive the heal or I simply took a but-load of damage on those days. I'm thinking the latter.

i healed you day 1 so it was wasted
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 16:19 GMT
#4178
On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.

it was day 1 nobody was semi confirmed.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 27 2012 16:20 GMT
#4179
so you wouldn't receive a notification of my heal day 1 so something is amiss here in regards of the heal from clarity.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 27 2012 16:25 GMT
#4180
On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.

I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out.


Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective.

From what I understand:
Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me.
Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100.
Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage.
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