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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 07:28 GMT
#3521
Man Syllo you sure managed to reply to my concerns in the last 45 minutes I've been gone. Glad to see you living up to your reputation as a good player.

keir: hey mang! Do you feel that Acro's refusal to give his reasoning on being included in the party is a scum or a town tell?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2012 07:32 GMT
#3522
I think that its a null tell.
If he is scum and included and we fail, he is immediately under suspicion.
If he is town, it is good for town that he is telling us this.

I think that scum think it is too big a risk to try to get a scum into the party and hope that it gets confirmed.
No gg, No skill.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 07:34 GMT
#3523
cool beans Oats, when did you change your name to Kier? Being a dick aside, I ask you (Oats) if you think that, in that case, all of the players on the quests are confirmed as town?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2012 07:37 GMT
#3524
Lol why wouldnt you want everyone's opinion? I assumed you asked keir cause he is the only one who posted recently.

I think that for now, the players in the successful quests should not be investigated. There are so many more people who arnt inside the quests. HOWEVER, should we reach a point where everyone has gone on successful quests, then that is not applicable.
No gg, No skill.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 26 2012 07:41 GMT
#3525
On November 26 2012 16:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that its a null tell.
If he is scum and included and we fail, he is immediately under suspicion.
If he is town, it is good for town that he is telling us this.

I think that scum think it is too big a risk to try to get a scum into the party and hope that it gets confirmed.


In what way? If scum does get in the party, there's a good chance we wouldn't get a chance to lynch + Show Spoiler +
(speculation to be sure, but something I still believe to be true...)
. Add to that that if Acro could shift the blame to the other party member that isn't "confirmed" he could secure a mislynch.

While not an easy proposition, I would argue that Acro would be capable of doing that. And that's more than enough payoff for scum to try to get someone into the party.


Assuming at this point that Toad is scum (a safe assumption imho), scum is in a pretty difficult situation. They are going to have to try some kind of high-risk high-reward play to get back in the game. Putting a scum Acro in the party would achieve that.

While scum might be scared of getting someone into the party, I would argue that in fact a town Acro would be more likely than a scum Acro to refuse to be in the party at this point.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 07:41 GMT
#3526
I would like everyone's opinion but I was asking Kier because he is the player most intimately involved in this besides Acro. I wanted his opinion unadulterated by the other players in the game but ah well, I don't get everything I want (like Syllo to stop being dumb).

See, I think you are town. I really do. I just don't get how you come to some of the conclusions you come to. I disagree with you whole heartedly.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 26 2012 07:43 GMT
#3527
EBWOP: Acro as scum in the scenario I made in the first paragraph...
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2012 07:45 GMT
#3528
Isnt that just a bit more than a 1 for 1 though? a failed event and a townie?
I thought that that wasnt beneficial for scum.
Ok now I think thats it is definately not a SCUM tell.
No gg, No skill.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 26 2012 07:45 GMT
#3529
Prom: for future reference, it's not a good strategy to berate me in every post, especially given what happened on day 1 and 2. That and telling fewer unnecessary lies should help in your future endeavours.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 26 2012 07:45 GMT
#3530
On November 26 2012 16:28 Promethelax wrote:
Man Syllo you sure managed to reply to my concerns in the last 45 minutes I've been gone. Glad to see you living up to your reputation as a good player.

keir: hey mang! Do you feel that Acro's refusal to give his reasoning on being included in the party is a scum or a town tell?

I don't particularly think it's a scum tell. Notice, I said I didn't particularly want to be included in the party during day 1.

But combined with the rather weird circumstances around his role claim, things just don't make any sense without more information that he is unwilling to give.

There's no way I would lynch him over Toad, so not in a super big hurry to make up my mind. Maybe things will be clearer by the next time we get to a lynch cycle.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 26 2012 07:47 GMT
#3531
On November 26 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Prom: for future reference, it's not a good strategy to berate me in every post, especially given what happened on day 1 and 2. That and telling fewer unnecessary lies should help in your future endeavours.

You going to answer my question?

Because I honestly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2012 07:48 GMT
#3532
Syllo why so vague? Waiting for the Toad flip?
Based on the flavour for the first event, I think that it is safe to say we wont be lynching if we didnt win it.
HOWEVER that is just based on 1 event. Speculation is all and good but it should be at least more than a slightly educated guess.
No gg, No skill.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 26 2012 07:48 GMT
#3533
I'm under the working assumption that lavos is coming no matter what in a "reasonable" amount of time, and that all scum needs to do is hold on as best it can. 1:1 is traditionally not a good exchange, but this isn't a traditional game. 1 failed event + 1 mislynch is A LOT of wasted time... As such, I could see scum pushing for a scenario like the one I've described.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 26 2012 07:51 GMT
#3534
so GK, your conclusion is that not wanting to be in the party is not a scumtell.
RIGHT?
Also that if we see someone pushing hard to be in the party, i/e Djo. We should be more suspicious of them
No gg, No skill.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 26 2012 07:51 GMT
#3535
EBWOP: and what's more, with the HP mechanic I expect that in the next few cycles we will be going from no deaths to multiple ones. Another reason why this is plausible.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 07:53 GMT
#3536
On November 26 2012 16:45 syllogism wrote:
Prom: for future reference, it's not a good strategy to berate me in every post, especially given what happened on day 1 and 2. That and telling fewer unnecessary lies should help in your future endeavours.


for present reference not being dumb will help you with this game. I have told no unnecessary lies, the only person I lied to was Sandroba and we gained information from that.

Thanks Kier, I find the whole thing a null tell (though totally weird) and my town read on Acro stands however I never want him included in a party. No matter what he claims later.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 26 2012 07:57 GMT
#3537
On November 26 2012 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
so GK, your conclusion is that not wanting to be in the party is not a scumtell.
RIGHT?
Also that if we see someone pushing hard to be in the party, i/e Djo. We should be more suspicious of them


I'm saying that it's entirely plausible that scum is still pushing to be in the party even though it could be suicidal at this point long-term.

With Djo, he has pushed hard this cycle to be elected. As scum, I doubt that he could secure the mislynch as Acro might. He isn't a strong town read with people here (myself included), and as such I would think he would be worried about being spotted as the weak link in the team.

In other words, I would say the opposite with Djo. His pushing to be party leader is rather misguided and in my opinion not very pro-town given the strong alternatives right now. However, it isn't a scum tell. Given that his actions don't really make sense to me as scum, I would actually say it's a town tell.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 09:00 GMT
#3538
Syllo, you referenced "what happened d1 and d2" do you mean the success of the party and sand's lynch? Do you believe that since the party was successful the members (in this case you) must be town?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 26 2012 09:30 GMT
#3539
Sorry everybody, my day at work is crazy today :s
I might work late but I'll manage to catch up with the thread before the deadline without problems.

@Oats

Did you made your final decision regarding your party ? Oats, Dieno, Marv and Clarity ?
Am I right ? /joke Are you sure you don't want to take me instead of marv ? /joke

Please make sure to include the party in your PM ^^

##Vote: Oats

risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 26 2012 09:33 GMT
#3540
##unvote: syllogism
##vote oats

I really would prefer if you replaced dieno with syllo though.
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