EPTTotalitarism is bad for discussion though...
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Totalitarism is bad for discussion though... | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Relationship Maps D1 map: [/spoiler] ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/14ippmq.jpg) [/spoiler]D2 map: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2uepqiq.jpg) D3 map (incomplete): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2v1l06a.jpg) Looking at these becomes funner and funner once people start flipping certain colors  Notable Claims and Events + Show Spoiler + prome: claims marv targeted syllo with a spell, says he has roleblocks marv: says hes a medic, and got healed, clarity says he isnt lying about night stuff kita: says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl keirathi: claims to be 600ad char oats: claims robo and has multiple abilities Thechronicler: claims he has gold based abilities, incriminated toad with 'popcorn' for 200g, says end of the day is going to be fun for him acro: knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, used 1 shot to expose toad as queen zeal toad: claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro syllogism: roleblocked iamp: claims he was healed cave: claims he is 1000ad char clarity: claims to know marv isnt lying about his night actions, also says cave's char isnt from a certain era hopeless1der: took self inflicted dmg cavejohnson: said he was going to kill acro asap Damage Report Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Dienosore - 445 dmg Marvellosity - 200 dmg (roleblocked) Kitaman - 200 dmg (conditional) Sandroba - 125 dmg CaveJohnson - 25 dmg Clarity - 20 dmg Iamperfection - 20 dmg Acrofalls - 20 dmg Djodref - 20 dmg Oh and someone else claimed they got hit for 50, also forget who Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Happahauli : 100 dmg Kitaman27 : 50 dmg Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal Acro : 30 dmg Djo : 30 dmg Clarity : 30 dmg Toad: 500 dmg (conditional) Syllogism: roleblocked Votecounts Day 1, First Group Leader + Show Spoiler + Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax,strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Sandroba (1): Z-Boson Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (13): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, sandroba, phagga Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der Day 2, Necktie Social No:1 + Show Spoiler + Kitaman27 (3): Kitaman27, Promethelax, strongnbig Goodkarma (1): risknuke Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba, phagga, Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der Day 3, Second Group Leader + Show Spoiler + Syllogism (1): risk.nuke Dienosore (3): kitaman27, Adam4167, Promethelax Oatsmaster (10): goodkarma, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, iamperfection, Dienosore, Clarity_nl, phagga, Keirathi, Hopeless1der, Z-BozoN, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Syllogism Quick note here, there have been a lot of changes which I haven't recorded. Everyone seems to have consolidated on Oats fairly early in the cycle, so it felt like a lot of unnecessary work. K that's about it for now. I'll be up for 10 more minutes or so. Anyone have any questions or want my opinion on anything? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:35 Djodref wrote: There is no democracy in this town. Only one party. Totalitarism is bad for discussion though... Yeah but bringing up others when they have no chance of being elected is just wifom territory anyway. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
 Too tired for this T_T | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
screw it, im going to sleep | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:50 Promethelax wrote: Dieno: could you tell us what you infer from your crazy maps? Those help us as much as me posting a list of player names with everyone shaded a different shade of purple. It probably means something to me but you have no idea what. It's more simmilar to posting bad/useless lists. Except worse. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote: It's more simmilar to posting bad/useless lists. Except worse. I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:51 Promethelax wrote: Risk: no comments on the last 14 hours? I'm in school, I've only briefly read through the thread as I ate breakfast, didn't see anything I felt like commenting on. Feel free to ask me something you want me to comment on, it will serve to motivate me to actually have a closer look at it. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:56 risk.nuke wrote: I'm in school, I've only briefly read through the thread as I ate breakfast, didn't see anything I felt like commenting on. Feel free to ask me something you want me to comment on, it will serve to motivate me to actually have a closer look at it. In a rather selfish way I'd like you to look at Syllo's scum read of me. I don't see where it comes from at all and he hasn't done a good job of supporting it even if there is some merit to his case in his eyes. I'd like you, as a more experienced player, to tell me 1)Why Syllo would be so blase about pressuring me if he actually thought I was scum and 2)if you think I am scum and why/why not. In addition I'd like to hear your thoughts on the party selection, you have said you'd prefer Syllo over dieno, why is that? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote: I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh. Didn't he say it was a relationship map. Hence I assume he makes connections every time two players comments or mentions each other. The point is a map like that tells us nothing. In my early mafia days I tried to make a more advanced version of that and all it really was was enormously time consuming and the final information I read out of it was unrewarding. On November 26 2012 18:59 Promethelax wrote: In a rather selfish way I'd like you to look at Syllo's scum read of me. I don't see where it comes from at all and he hasn't done a good job of supporting it even if there is some merit to his case in his eyes. I'd like you, as a more experienced player, to tell me 1)Why Syllo would be so blase about pressuring me if he actually thought I was scum and 2)if you think I am scum and why/why not. In addition I'd like to hear your thoughts on the party selection, you have said you'd prefer Syllo over dieno, why is that? Syllo asked me that same question a while ago. As for if he's convinced your scum and doesn't push you it could be because he doesn't have a way to kill you anytime soon. I myself usually doesn't bother pushing scumreads if there is no lynch within 48 hours or there is a high chance of vigs. If you've read my filter you'd know I think it's potentially risky to send a person with low hp. Syllo is safer imo. As for my own thoughts. The case on you have merit but there are other people I want dead more. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:53 Promethelax wrote: I think it has gone past that to totally meaningless. That is why I want his conclusions. If ntohing else they are good for a laugh. They are relationship maps, not scum/town indicators. If someone is talking about someone else, I connect them with the arrow pointing towards who is being talked about. The more erratic the line, the more negativity associated with it. The maps don't lean one way or another, they are a tool that shows who feels what about who, and who is talking about who. While this is all good by itself, the real fun comes when you start cross-referencing people from day to day as situations change. Also, it is useful to see how the names group up, and if there are any cliques forming. Anyone specific you want a conclusion about? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 26 2012 19:15 Dienosore wrote: They are relationship maps, not scum/town indicators. If someone is talking about someone else, I connect them with the arrow pointing towards who is being talked about. The more erratic the line, the more negativity associated with it. The maps don't lean one way or another, they are a tool that shows who feels what about who, and who is talking about who. While this is all good by itself, the real fun comes when you start cross-referencing people from day to day as situations change. Also, it is useful to see how the names group up, and if there are any cliques forming. Anyone specific you want a conclusion about? I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to. Risk: who are those you feel more strongly about than me as scum? Since I am (as far as I can tell) on your be-wary-of-but-don't-bother to-deal-with-yet list. I'd also like your opinion on the necessity of a name claim from me, esspecially for the reason which Syllo gave. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Anyway hopeless is digging quite a hole for himself, I don't remember him being apologetic as town at all. In general I also find that people who self-analyze are more likely to be scum, town just have to play, scum have to look at their own play because it's harder to make sense to others. @ Hopeless Why do you find the need to look at your own play and conclude you look scummy? You shouldn't, even if you make the wrong decisions. Last game I tried to stop two last-minute lynches and they were both directed at scum, but I never really realized it even after the flips until it got pointed out to me. It didn't bother me either, I had my reasons at the time and since I was town they were townie reasons. Saying "well but I looked scummy" is stupid, and probably just some form of guilt because you're actually scum. Anyway, best thing for you to do is to stop defending yourself and try to scumhunt. I think the election is all sewn up anyway. Stop setup speculating and start helping us find out who to lynch other than you (if you're town). | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote: I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to. Risk: who are those you feel more strongly about than me as scum? Since I am (as far as I can tell) on your be-wary-of-but-don't-bother to-deal-with-yet list. I'd also like your opinion on the necessity of a name claim from me, esspecially for the reason which Syllo gave. That's actually an excellent description of how I feel about you. As for people I want dead I have Toad and then VIscera, Adam and CJ. I don't agree with Syllos reason to why you should claim your name. It might help to determine if it fits your role but I don't think it will exhaust one of mafias safe claims if you're scum. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On November 26 2012 19:27 Promethelax wrote: I'd like the conclusions you feel are most important, the ones you think I should be paying attention to. Well, considering the discussion on the last 10 pages or so, the two people under the most heat right now are Toad and Hope. When I look at the three maps, it's pretty clear these guys have been in a downward spiral since the beginning of the game. Allow me to explain what I see... Hopeless didnt make it onto the d1 map, which I attribute to heavy lurking. D2 shows him with only one connection, and it is a positive relationship with Sandro (who flipped scum). Day three has him right in the middle of the map, catching heat from many different angles Toad is shown on d1 not being very active. His only connections are a scumread from Kush and a positive connection towards Kitaman. D2 has him on the opposite side of the map, suggesting he has changed his clique. He begins to attract negative attention from a few sources, and has positive connections with Kita and yourself (Prom). He was exposed as we all know on Day 3, and has been taking immense heat since then. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Clarity on day 1 has mostly positive links, although he did draw some fire from Sandroba and even a bit from syllo. D2 shows him with 95% good feedback, with his only negativity coming from a strong indicator from oats. Since he's been nominated on day 3, there hasn't been very much reaction at all. Still just positive vibes from just about everyone. Phagga was on the outside of the bubble on D1, but still had a few connections of various types here and there. This indicates playing a standard game. He stays outside the bubble on day two and has even fewer connections;a safe vote to lynch cave, trust from clarity, and a scumread on goodkarma. Day three isn't complete yet, but its shaping up to look as if Phagga will remain on the outside. He also has flipped his stance towards goodkarma. All in all, pretty neutral. Well, I guess you guys weren't happy with bringing a neutral player into the fold, so I replaced him with the safer bet, Marv. He had been extremely active, so I had a lot of sources to draw from before I eventually concluded he was trustworthy. It also helped that Oats had wanted him in his party too. On day 1, most of you guys didn't like marv. His only clear supporter was SnB. The next day was a more focused hate, coming primarily from toad, risk.nuke, and prom (intense hate from prom, actually). He also found some mainstream support from Clarity. Day 3, however, has been a completely different story. Even since he has been nominated to be in the group, there has been an overwhelming consensus to support this guy. Any other questions? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others. | ||
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