EPTAnyway, I have some particularly weird reasoning about Hopeless that I don't want to share until Toad actually flips, because if my wild speculation about Toad's role is wrong, then it means nothing, but if I am right, I really feel his vote for Toad today was him claiming scum.
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Acrofales
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Anyway, I have some particularly weird reasoning about Hopeless that I don't want to share until Toad actually flips, because if my wild speculation about Toad's role is wrong, then it means nothing, but if I am right, I really feel his vote for Toad today was him claiming scum. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote: I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it  And if you really think what I'm doing is just summarizing the game, then you are unfortunately misunderstanding the whole purpose. While you guys are debating each other and sifting through filters to dig up evidence for cases, I'm documenting it all. Then, I can take a step back and look for patterns and connections that you guys might miss because you are too wrapped up in what people are saying, rather than why they are saying it or who they are saying it to. Once a few more people flip, you'll be able to look back at the maps and be like, "oh snap, this guy who has been exposed as mafia has been supporting this guy all game" etc. Once one domino falls, the rest will be sure to quickly follow. I just hope I can stay alive long enough to make sure it happens. Although I need to go back and read, I generally have a good memory when it comes to how people interacted with others. I'm not saying I don't understand what you're doing, I'm saying that next to you "documenting" (which is summarizing, so you're arguing semantics IMO) you should also do some scumhunting of your own. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote: You are both reacting rather violently despite him saying "without reading filters, if I had to pick" One of the most influential players in the game decides to include you in a random list of scum reads with no reasoning at all and we're supposed to lie down and say "yeah, that's right?". I'm not too worried about him calling me scum because I know I'm not and whatever reasons he give are going to be bullshit, but I am a bit upset for just being thrown up on that list, yeah. | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote: I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it You said D2 actually, but it doesn't matter. | ||
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On November 24 2012 18:10 syllogism wrote: If you agree with me, I would rather not. I can give one example First of all, I'm not sure if I even made this argument (my problem is mostly content/wording/tone of his posts). He hasn't given any reads whatsoever besides maybe stating that Clarity_nl is "smelly". Our reads are usually precise and not gut based; definitely not "most of the time". I discuss reads and mafia lot with him and this is a complete misrepresentation of our usual thought process. Occasionally the reads can be based on a more general feeling, but it's always based on content, so for instance we may find certain sentence or post disingenuous, but it is almost always something that can be explained in more detail. There is no way sandroba believes that he is a gut based rather than reasoning based player. Syllo on how he finds scum. Syllo finding 'scum' On November 26 2012 20:56 syllogism wrote: If I had to name a five person mafia team on the spot without reading any of the filters. I would probably go with sandro toad acro prom and maaaybe risk The above risk-prom conversation feels off, as does the fact that risk decided to run today for election. He also supported sandro early and the post in which he declared his vote is suspicious in more ways than one. Anyway, this isn't relevant right now. conclusion: Syllo disagrees with himself. I need these reads elaborated on. Right now, as I understand it, toad is cum ebcause of the two checks, I am red because my play feels 'off, Rik is red for his connection with me and Acro is red because he isn't the same as Iamp/Clar/Djo. Is that an accurate summery? Can you please, pretty please, fuccking cherries all over, make a case instead of just hemorrhaging confirmation basis into the thread. | ||
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I'm stuck because I don't see good motivation for scum or town to do what he is doing but he is a good player. I dunno. How about you? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Prom's action claim] + On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote: okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. My bread crumb should be obvious to anyone looking but here it is: this is why I said that I was sending in my night actions there, to be clear that this is where I specified them. I'm saying that I am using my power to protect Syllo and that it will [role]block people who target him. It isn't a brilliant crumb but I think the awkward wording speaks for itself, this is a crumb. I have other powers but this is the one you need to know about. If I place this on a plyer and they are not targeted for a certain number of cycles than it will provide a certain amount of protection against damage from any in game source. That being said I would like to return to game things: I have not played with him but the games I have read of his would suggest that this is totally true. Marv is right here. Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on. I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you. hah, gotcha Sand. In post game I'm going to revel in getting that one right. Just in case anyone wasn't sure. Summary: Prom targets a person at night. Anybody visiting that person gets roleblocked. Now, I looked at this and compared it to my own abilities and to Kush's ability and figured that this was a riduculously powerful town ability if it didn't have a downside, so I asked Prom about that: On November 25 2012 21:16 Promethelax wrote: essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. There are other aspects of my role which are, in my opinion, less powerful than the claimed aspect. but can be used when the claimed aspect cannot be used. I read this and figured it jibed at the time. But as I was answering Prom's question about why I asked him about the downsides, I realized that it actually makes the ability even stronger: it is a protection ability that combines with a 1-shot watcher (no way scum is going to claim roleblocked from now on) AND a DT check? So I tested. Isn't this you claiming that if your ability works, you used it on a townie? You used it on Syllo, so how can you be doubtful about him after targeting him with your ability? | ||
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On November 26 2012 21:52 Mementoss wrote: 7 What? This is posted at exactly the right time? Or are you 9 minutes early? | ||
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On November 26 2012 14:08 Acrofales wrote: I read that shit. I fail to see your point. You have some knowledge about what a frame busser does that is before Marv's explanation, because I sure as fuck don't. Marv claims it only busses roles, not damage. Where does he get that info? I'm sure you could work this out yourself, but I asked Greymist :> | ||
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