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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 26 2012 12:58 GMT
#3601
On November 26 2012 21:54 Promethelax wrote:
okay so 10, 12, 14


16+18+20+22+24+26 = 126
Or 5 days 6 hours from now.
Seems rather random?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:00 GMT
#3602
and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
November 26 2012 13:05 GMT
#3603
On November 26 2012 21:53 Promethelax wrote:
because, though I had a town read on him at the time, the ability used on him by scum was a fram bus. Now I thought that was to try to frame him to come up red but it could be to frame him to come up green. Essentially one of the two guys targeted by that frame bus was scum and one was town.

That's not what I asked. You claim the downside to your ability is something to do with you having bad reads. That generally means town who use the ability on a scumster, either the ability fails. You seem quite convinced your ability didn't fail, and both Sandroba and Marv claim to have targeted Syllo, so there is some corroborating evidence that your ability succeeded.

Do you think Sandroba's bus drive ability (assuming he used that and not the DoT) succeeded? Or was he roleblocked before it could happen? You should have that information somewhere in your role pm, or can probably ask the hosts in what order your actions resolve. At least you should be able to know whether Sandroba would be notified of being roleblocked if he had no actions left that day.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 26 2012 13:07 GMT
#3604
On November 26 2012 22:00 Promethelax wrote:
and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum.


When you were "bluffing" that marv and whoever else (I forget) got roleblocked because they targetted syllo, weren't you working under the assumption that you were the only roleblock ability?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
November 26 2012 13:08 GMT
#3605
On November 26 2012 21:56 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 14:08 Acrofales wrote:
On November 26 2012 14:03 Promethelax wrote:
On November 25 2012 09:30 GreYMisT wrote:
Cycle 3

Event: Race across site 32

2300 AD


WILL INSERT FLAVOR LATER


Sandroba (Spekkio) was lynched!

+ Show Spoiler [role PM] +
Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Spekkio!. You are the Master of War! You have control over all elements of magic. Your abilities are the following: Water
Allows the use of 2 powers the next night. (does not accumulate)
Lightning
Full cycle roleblock on your target.
Shadow
Frame busses target with another target of your choice.
Fire
Burns target. Target takes 200 damage in 50 damage increments over 4 days.
Only allowed 1 fire active at a time.
You have 600 max HP.





You will be voting on another party leader!

Only 1/2 of the party from cycle 1 may be in the party for this cycle, and syllogism, as the leader from the last event, is ineligible for the same position!!!!


here Acro. Maybe you didn't read this.

I read that shit. I fail to see your point. You have some knowledge about what a frame busser does that is before Marv's explanation, because I sure as fuck don't. Marv claims it only busses roles, not damage. Where does he get that info?


I'm sure you could work this out yourself, but I asked Greymist :>

Greymist didn't answer in the thread. I presumed that meant he didn't want to answer what Sandroba's ability does. Lets try again:

What does Sandroba's "shadow" ability do?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 13:08 GMT
#3606
On November 26 2012 21:53 Promethelax wrote:
because, though I had a town read on him at the time, the ability used on him by scum was a fram bus. Now I thought that was to try to frame him to come up red but it could be to frame him to come up green. Essentially one of the two guys targeted by that frame bus was scum and one was town.


In this little hypothetical, why would mafia frame the party leader who was unanimously considered townie (by the fact he was party leader, if nothing else)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 13:08 GMT
#3607
Acro, what I said earlier was correct about sand's shadow ability
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:09 GMT
#3608
oh, no, you misunderstand. I get it now.

What I meant is that assuming I target a player whom mafia is targeting and who is town my ability is great but if, for instance I target scum player whom town is targeting with a bunch of abilities (like say I have super major town read on you and I protect you but everyone else in town thinks you are scum and is shooting/DTing/whatever'ing you but you are scum I prot you from all that and RB a bunch of townies).
My ability functions the same no matter who I target. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even think about the possibility of a dreamflower-esque ability. I've never been in a game with one.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
November 26 2012 13:10 GMT
#3609
EBWOP my response to Promethelax: either the ability fails, or there is some other downside (like it breaks, or you take damage/die). The ability can fail silently so the townie using it never knows that the ability failed, but in this case there is corroborating evidence.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:10 GMT
#3610
On November 26 2012 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:00 Promethelax wrote:
and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum.


When you were "bluffing" that marv and whoever else (I forget) got roleblocked because they targetted syllo, weren't you working under the assumption that you were the only roleblock ability?


I was. But I didn't use that ability d2 and Risk claimed RB. Ergo I am not the only RBer. I mentioned this already.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 26 2012 13:11 GMT
#3611
Oh so you RBed me today
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:13 GMT
#3612
Clarity, you forget that this is how we found out what ability Sand used on Syllo? And that it was Sand who I bluffed into telling us that he had targeted Syllo.

Acro: do you understand now with my explanation? There is no alignment revealing aspect of my ability.

Could we please know the order of role resolution? Thank you
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:14 GMT
#3613
On November 26 2012 22:11 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you RBed me today


wat? Nope.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 26 2012 13:15 GMT
#3614
On November 26 2012 22:13 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, you forget that this is how we found out what ability Sand used on Syllo? And that it was Sand who I bluffed into telling us that he had targeted Syllo.

Acro: do you understand now with my explanation? There is no alignment revealing aspect of my ability.

Could we please know the order of role resolution? Thank you


I'm just trying to figure out your thinking when it came to that bluff. What if marv just got roleblocked by scum/town and he said "no I didn't target syllo, you're lying". How do you talk your way out of that? You would call marv a liar in that case? Or explain your ability at that point?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 13:16 GMT
#3615
oh by the way, kita is totes 3rd party, I decided last night before I went to sleep.

His games he plays are an inherent part of his role, and he may get certain rewards for succeeding them
Part of his wincon is to be included on a (successful) party

ta-da!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:16 GMT
#3616
On November 26 2012 22:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:13 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, you forget that this is how we found out what ability Sand used on Syllo? And that it was Sand who I bluffed into telling us that he had targeted Syllo.

Acro: do you understand now with my explanation? There is no alignment revealing aspect of my ability.

Could we please know the order of role resolution? Thank you


I'm just trying to figure out your thinking when it came to that bluff. What if marv just got roleblocked by scum/town and he said "no I didn't target syllo, you're lying". How do you talk your way out of that? You would call marv a liar in that case? Or explain your ability at that point?


the latter. It was a gamble.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
November 26 2012 13:16 GMT
#3617
On November 26 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:
oh, no, you misunderstand. I get it now.

What I meant is that assuming I target a player whom mafia is targeting and who is town my ability is great but if, for instance I target scum player whom town is targeting with a bunch of abilities (like say I have super major town read on you and I protect you but everyone else in town thinks you are scum and is shooting/DTing/whatever'ing you but you are scum I prot you from all that and RB a bunch of townies).
My ability functions the same no matter who I target. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even think about the possibility of a dreamflower-esque ability. I've never been in a game with one.

Okay, so your ability has no downsides. That makes it far more powerful than anything I have seen (or seen claimed) so far. I found Kush's ability pretty damned awesome: a PGO + dayvig? Sign me up! But at least it came with conditionals. I am not sure what to think about this claim. However, I am not making sense of it from a scum point of view either. Must've been a pretty stellar guess to know Marv was targeting Syllo. Either that, or scum has some kind of watcher, which doesn't make much sense at all.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 13:17 GMT
#3618
On November 26 2012 22:16 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:
oh, no, you misunderstand. I get it now.

What I meant is that assuming I target a player whom mafia is targeting and who is town my ability is great but if, for instance I target scum player whom town is targeting with a bunch of abilities (like say I have super major town read on you and I protect you but everyone else in town thinks you are scum and is shooting/DTing/whatever'ing you but you are scum I prot you from all that and RB a bunch of townies).
My ability functions the same no matter who I target. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even think about the possibility of a dreamflower-esque ability. I've never been in a game with one.

Okay, so your ability has no downsides. That makes it far more powerful than anything I have seen (or seen claimed) so far. I found Kush's ability pretty damned awesome: a PGO + dayvig? Sign me up! But at least it came with conditionals. I am not sure what to think about this claim. However, I am not making sense of it from a scum point of view either. Must've been a pretty stellar guess to know Marv was targeting Syllo. Either that, or scum has some kind of watcher, which doesn't make much sense at all.


I was the only RB claim other than sand, remember
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 26 2012 13:18 GMT
#3619
there is some limit to when I can use that ability and I have at least one other, lesser, ability which I can use on those cycles when I can't use my primary ability. I have a kickass role that, if I was a better player, could be exploited in more ways than I have figured out.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 13:20 GMT
#3620
also, could everyone agree with me about kita, please.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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