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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#3061
yeah if that actually worked then townies could just type it to prove they're town
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#3062
unless it made the whole town concede when one person typed it. I'd be okay with that too
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 17:22 GMT
#3063
That'd be pretty funny. But yeah as long as you're just putzing around I'm gonna go and read some more filters. I'll keep an eye on the thread in case you decide to play the game.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 19 2012 17:26 GMT
#3064
On November 20 2012 02:18 Blazinghand wrote:
that would be funny but I'm gonna say "no" because as scum you typically concede by PMing the host

I see what you did there
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 17:27 GMT
#3065
what did I do there
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 19 2012 17:29 GMT
#3066
On November 20 2012 02:22 Blazinghand wrote:
That'd be pretty funny. But yeah as long as you're just putzing around I'm gonna go and read some more filters. I'll keep an eye on the thread in case you decide to play the game.


i mean, i'm at work right now

i can't really take too much time to go filterdiving

maybe at dinnertime, we'll see
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 19 2012 17:33 GMT
#3067
On November 20 2012 02:27 Blazinghand wrote:
what did I do there

Gsl 3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 17:33 GMT
#3068
fair enough. whenever you get the chance, it could always help. I know you're a busy dude and that's fine. It'd have been nice if you hadn't spent like the past 72 hours tunnelling me and setup-speculating but really it is a clever way to avoid committing to any real reads.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 19 2012 17:34 GMT
#3069
Known/Assumed Flips

  1. debears - Mario
  2. Hopeless1der - Luigi
  3. Blazinghand - Yoshi
  4. Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
  5. Z-Boson - Bob-omb
  6. Hapahauli - Bowser
  7. Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa


Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker

  1. Kickstart
  2. Strongandbig
  3. Clarity_nl
  4. DarthPunk
  5. iamperfection
  6. Djodref


Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player.

In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?

On November 15 2012 11:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Final Votecount:

DarthPunk (1): thrawn2112
Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahauli
debears (1): Hopeless1der
Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk

Hapahauli has been lynched!

Full version (disregarded):

+ Show Spoiler +
debears (2): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (7): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand, Blazinghand, Hapahauli, debears, Z-BosoN, Kickstart, debears
Hopeless1der (0): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity, Z-BosoN, Kickstart, debears, debears
Z-BosoN (4): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand, marvellosity, Clarity_nl, marvellosity, DarthPunk, Crossfire99
Hapahauli (0): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart, Blazinghand
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig, Crossfire99
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears
Crossfire99 (0): marvellosity, debears, Blazinghand


Not voting (0):

Day 1 vote-count for reference
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 17:34 GMT
#3070
On November 20 2012 02:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 02:27 Blazinghand wrote:
what did I do there

Gsl 3


oh yeah right lol
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 17:36 GMT
#3071
yeah hopeless working off the "SnB flips town, mafia shoots you and me for the next two nights" assumption we basically know how the game will play out.

Currently alive are 8 players, and counting out me and hopeless1, we have 6 potential lynch targets and 3 lynches to use. currently on the list is:

Djodref, strongandbig, DarthPunk, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, Kickstart

And any time we can make a solid town-read (as I currently have on kickstart) our odds of lynching the scum with our lynches get better. assuming we lynch SnB and he flips town, scum will shoot either me or hopeless and tomorrow it'll look like this:

1 blue + djodref, DP, clarity, iamp, kickstart

which gives us 2 lynches left and 5 potential targets. If we lynch another guy, and he flips town, scum will shoot the other blue and it'll be a 3-1 MYLO with no confirmed townies.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#3072
On November 20 2012 02:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Known/Assumed Flips

  1. debears - Mario
  2. Hopeless1der - Luigi
  3. Blazinghand - Yoshi
  4. Marvellosity - Mushroom Citizen
  5. Z-Boson - Bob-omb
  6. Hapahauli - Bowser
  7. Crossfire99 - Koopa Troopa


Remaining Players are assumed to be Mushroom Citizens or the final scum, Kamek the Mafia Roleblocker

  1. Kickstart
  2. Strongandbig
  3. Clarity_nl
  4. DarthPunk
  5. iamperfection
  6. Djodref


Strongandbig, if you can't tell us who the scum of that list is, can you provide town reads instead on as many players as you can? Actually, everyone should be doing that, with the understanding that reads change. BH and I are next in line, probably in that order due to being confirmed town and BH being a known strong town player.

In the event that SnB is not scum, we have one mislynch Day 4 until a MYLO Day 5 (3v1). Which players do we want alive if it gets to that point?

<snip>


@ Hopeless

At the moment, my strongest town reads are Iamp and Kickstart.
Iamp looks the most concerned about this game with Clarity. He has presented good contributions and promotes a good town atmosphere for the discussion. He has shown interest and provided his insights on almost everything what was going on in the thread. Moreover, I don't feel that his posts are forced. He just looks genuinely town. He is the guy I would never want to lynch.
Kickstart, even he doesn't participate enough at my taste, really gives me a first time town player feeling. I'm just coming out of my newbie games and they are full of games like him. If he was scum, I think he would have produced some Crossfire-like looking posts on day1 and that he would have already broke into pieces at this point. He needs to get free of the "I'm going to get suspicious if I post burden". I think that he could show clearly that he is town if he could post more freely. I'll give him "carte blanche" for his postings until we get at MYLO, if we have to come to this, which I doubt.
I might be stupid to insist on this point, but I'm going to eat my hat if Kickstart has sniped debears. The last scum has to be an experienced player in my opinion.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 19 2012 18:07 GMT
#3073
I'm just glad people have been giving some attention to kickstart, and looking at people's reads and impressions of kickstart my nerves about him have been silenced. I might reconsider again, obviously, but at the moment he does seem genuinely town, if a bit lacking in the caring department.

I'll be taking quite a bit to go over stuff, because if snb flips town somehow I'm not quite sure at the moment who is most likely scum.

Despite being the hammer vote I might have to reconsider darth, but more likely is Djo....
Back with more, later.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 19 2012 18:11 GMT
#3074
At the moment, I agree with djo's read on iamperfection and kickstart. I'll be filter diving after work today to try to read into the rest.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 19 2012 18:18 GMT
#3075
On November 20 2012 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm just glad people have been giving some attention to kickstart, and looking at people's reads and impressions of kickstart my nerves about him have been silenced. I might reconsider again, obviously, but at the moment he does seem genuinely town, if a bit lacking in the caring department.

I'll be taking quite a bit to go over stuff, because if snb flips town somehow I'm not quite sure at the moment who is most likely scum.

Despite being the hammer vote I might have to reconsider darth, but more likely is Djo....
Back with more, later.


@ Clarity

Seriously, I don't understand what you have against me...
How can I be on everyone lynch list when I have yet to see a real case against me ?

I'm also reconsidering Darthpunk at the moment by the way. The strong town tells I have for him are the following
  • Pushed as a possible lynch during D1 by confirmed mafia player and has shown a town reaction to it
  • Hammer vote on Hapa
  • Strong convictions based on documented cases


Please tell me if I missed some points !

For these points, he has been in a very high position in every player town list but he has failed to take advantage of this position in my view. Also I still have problem with his Z-Boson lynch...

Anybody would like to discuss with me why Darthpunk should stay in my non-lynchable ever list ?
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 19 2012 18:22 GMT
#3076
I don't have anything against you. That's not how this game works.

I'm trying to ignore thrawn's stuff altogether but it's obviously in the back of my head. Although the setup speculation helped it really got on my nerves and it seemed to be all you were willing to talk about.
I haven't made a case on you because I haven't been focusing on you much, and there's nothing that stands out as inherently scummy. But look at the players we'll have left after snb gets lynched (assuming he flips town). To me everyone on that list is rather townie, and you are probably the least towny out of them atm.

Your argument that darth hasn't taken advantage of his position can be said about hopeless and kickstart as well.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 19 2012 18:25 GMT
#3077
I'll stay for a little while...
I would just like to add that it's past 3am here in South Korea and that I should be at work tomorrow morning so I might go to bed soon.


GAME IS NOT OVER YET ! IT'S NOT THE TIME TO GET LAZY !



On a personal note, I've like S&B defense during D2, maybe because I'm more emotional than rational, so I'm not totally sure of S&B being the last scum yet even if he is the right person to lynch at the moment. I'm very curious to see what are going to be his next contributions.
I'll accept people getting lazy if they can provide me with a case that totally proves that S&B is the last scum.



DOES ANYONE HAVE A BETTER LYNCH THAN S&B TO PROPOSE FOR TODAY ??




Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 18:32 GMT
#3078
drojef knock off the annoying max font bold all caps stuff
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#3079
I'm not 100% sure the last scum would have to be experienced to snipe debears really. I mean, yeah, it was a good snipe, but for all we know Hapa dropped some mad knowledge in the scum QT or the last scum just got lucky shooting into the town. The last scum certainly *could* be experienced and I don't think kickstart is scum, but I wouldn't use that as the reason to exonerate him.

In terms of "should DP be considered unlynchable" the answer is "absolutely not". Nobody is beyond suspicion or questioning. Thinking that way is dangerous and leads to us losing. I may not think kickstart is scum but that doesn't mean I'm gonna bank everything on that fact. Question everything.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 19 2012 18:35 GMT
#3080
On November 20 2012 03:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I don't have anything against you. That's not how this game works.

I'm trying to ignore thrawn's stuff altogether but it's obviously in the back of my head. Although the setup speculation helped it really got on my nerves and it seemed to be all you were willing to talk about.
I haven't made a case on you because I haven't been focusing on you much, and there's nothing that stands out as inherently scummy. But look at the players we'll have left after snb gets lynched (assuming he flips town). To me everyone on that list is rather townie, and you are probably the least towny out of them atm.

Your argument that darth hasn't taken advantage of his position can be said about hopeless and kickstart as well.


@ Clarity

The setup speculation allows us to have 100% confirmed blues right now. And the last scum is not able to fakeclaim if get close to his sorry ass...
Honestly, if Hopeless was not a confirmed Vig, I would be all over him right now.
Regarding Kickstart, we need to give him more room so he can post more. Also I think we should listen to what he is saying. First games are always depressing when every other player is coming at you for the scummy things that you inevitably post and never acknowledge what you are saying. I understand that he could get bored in his position.
But Darthpunk is not in the same position as Hopeless and Kickstart. He has won his Acme game so he should have more time to spare with us.
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