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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 10:23 GMT
#2701
Keir was my coach. All but 1 of our interactions are in the QT. The one that was a PM to him was because I was asking what he thought about sylver, my scumbuddy.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 10:24 GMT
#2702
I never contacted hapa. I mentioned hapa by name, regretted it instantly and sent a pm to marv (host) to notify and apologize to him. He gave me a final warning and I cried that night.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
November 18 2012 10:27 GMT
#2703
Okay, still not clear on what iamp was getting at with SnB. Gonna get some sleep now
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 11:31 GMT
#2704
How come there are so many lazy town in this game, but not the fucking newbies I played in.
Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough.
Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case.
Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going.

I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:30 GMT
#2705
On November 18 2012 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright well time to sit down with some filters like I promised. I'm also gonna reread the stuff I missed near the end of D2 and see what the renewed SnB push is about. If he was really faking that screenshot I would be utterly unsurprised-- it would fit with his character.



seriously?

fuck you

fuck you

fuck you
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:31 GMT
#2706
On November 18 2012 16:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Djodref, the issue isn't continued pressure on me, but the fact that you refuse to pressure anyone else. Look at it, just for a moment, from the perspective of "BH, the JK, is trying to evaluate whether Djoref, who replaced in for thrawn, is scum. He gave the dude a grace period of 72 hours to see what he could do." Now, given that, you' haven't given me much to work with. You've developed a case on me, and that's okay-- but you've also refused to really develop cases on other players. What does this tell me? Well, I called you out for it and your main addition (despite a list of reads that you haven't expanded on) has been to try to out our last blue WITHOUT HIS INPUT. And still no serious cases on other players.

You may think I'm scum, but surely you don't think it's a 100% chance. And by the way you're playing, I, and many people who do in fact not think I'm scum, can't get a townread on you. What do you want me to do, man? I'm not one to push people to acknowledge they could be wrong, but even when I am pushing a guy close to lynch time, I tell him to give out some final reads in case he flips town. I account for the possibility of being wrong.

I guess I'll put this plainly: If you don't make cases on anyone else and if continue as you are now, I'm lynching you tomorrow. End of story, you're out of the game.


lol "you're lynching him"

come the fuck on

what are you delusional?

fucking delusional
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:33 GMT
#2707
On November 18 2012 16:52 Blazinghand wrote:
in summary, I'm gonna say this: those of us who have already claimed (hopeless1, me) or are gonna claim VT are not allowed to claim until blue(s) claim.


wrong wrong wrong

if there aren't any more blue roles then we catch you as scum with a mass claim

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:34 GMT
#2708
Would a one-shot cop get changed to a full cop or to a vanilla townie? Or would a setup with a single C have gotten thrown out?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:35 GMT
#2709
Oh yeah I forgot to post these

On November 18 2012 11:53 iamperfection wrote:
answer my silly questions s&b


I thought I did... I'm not entirely sure what more you want?

On November 18 2012 13:49 Djodref wrote:
Well, a mass claim would answer these questions
On top of that, we are likely to have a cop so more confirmed town players in the process.
The downfall is that we are going to out some blue payers but I don't think it really matters at this point. We are likely to be in a 7vs1 situation tomorrow so that mean that a scum would need 3 mislynches to win the game. It is not going to happen at all if we have the blues.

It could be a problem if we have a SK but this is 3 times less likely than a no SK situation and we could start to hunt him if we know for sure that he exists.

This game is all about information. As town, we know already for sure that
  • The mafia team is composed of a GF, a goon and a scum RB
  • We had a miller in this game
  • We have a Vig in this game (for me it's 95% sure that Hope is Vig, I'd like to discuss it if anyone still have doubts)
  • The setup follows the C9++ rules, with Doctors being Jailkeepers and Vigilantes being the only one-shot roles


I'm pretty sure that a mass claim is going to give us enough data to help us win this battle of information
And I think it's easier and faster than to look in details at more than 100 pages long game, and also a more beautiful way to solve this game (but this is personal preference ^^)
I need the VTs to claim as well by the way.



We don't know there's a scum roleblocker - BH could be lying, he might be scum and not roleblocker.

On November 18 2012 14:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 18 2012 10:17 iamperfection wrote:
On November 18 2012 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Nah. I want ZB to flip. Then if the game is still going we can check out that wall of text of his.

its not that long read it bro


I did read it. I still think he is scum. If he is town it holds more value for me than it does currently. It looks exactly how he thinks it would. A mechanism to escape from his lynch. It only becomes useful when he dies.

There is no one I want to lynch over ZB. And the only person I would consider is clarity.


I realize you're bitter because you've been useless all game, but dying townies had a super duper town read on me.
You're in such a good position because you were the hammer vote, why don't you use it to push some actual reads.

SnB and Djo were on BH at the end? really? One of these has to be scum.... come on..... or they just really don't care.
SnB where the fuck were you?


Having my vote on BH was the only logical course of action. The only other people with votes were me and z-boson. I know I'm town and I thought that BH was more likely to be scum than z-boson.

On November 18 2012 14:41 iamperfection wrote:
s&b like wtf man you just disappear like wtf dude.

I know my little mini case on you is kind of silly with the dota thing is crazy but you could at least call it stupid. DO YOU CARE s&b.

Bh think about your action critically please i will lead the wagon of justice against you myself if you make another dumb play this game.

Also DP want to hear your thoughts in light of zbos flip is clarity who your still thinking now because i dont really see it.

djo i know you think setup speculation but please do some traditional scum hunting before dawn.

I will post updated thoughts in the 1 hour grace period like last time. I will probably be quieter tomorrow because weekends are bad for my mafia play but i will be here 100% during that grace period.



I mean I'm not sure what my being here would have done. No one was listening to me on BH, and it seemed pretty clear that the lynch was going to be on one of BH or ZB. Sure I had votes on me, but there had been enough discussion of that during the day that a last-minute switch was pretty unlikely.

On November 18 2012 15:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Currently the holy town trinity is iamp, hope and myself.

Currently the scum that looks to be buddying up with a scummy town to look more towny is Djo or SnB.

Currently Kickstart, Darth, debears, blazing are ALL not contributing. And it's driving me up the goddamn wall.


I hate when people say "this group of people is town" and then try and ride on it. I guess maybe you're talking about people who voted for Hapa, which is a decent heuristic to use as long as you don't include BH, but given the confusion surrounding that last-minute switch I'm not comfortable saying any person is 100% town because they voted Hapa.

On November 18 2012 15:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously, no VT claims. NADA. VTs are NOT allowed to claim, or even allowed to say they think the blue SHOULD claim. All this does is tell scum who the last blue is. If everyone except for one guy is like "ok, the blue should claim" and the blue doesn't claim well damn look what you did.

The only person who is allowed to claim is the blue, and after the blue claims, everyone else claims.
We are not allowed to make this decision for him and the fact that anyone would take djoref even remotely seriously is bad. Nobody should even say "the blue should claim" cause this helps scum guide their shots if the blue doesn't claim. Seriously. This issue is closed.


This is goofy.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:37 GMT
#2710
On November 18 2012 15:39 Kickstart wrote:
I've already given my reasons on SNB, read my filter and you will find it. Djo I haven't said much about but if Thrawn were still here I'd want him gone next (originally I wanted Hopeless gone but since he claimed vig, and I have no reason to not believe the claim, I would start going after the people who I felt contributed minimally to town: snb thrawn being the top two). Now I know that Djo is a replacement so that is why I want to give him more time. But so far he has just been pushing his read on BH (and I think this mass claim is his plan to "catch" BH). But I personally don't see much reason to lynch BH yet until after some of the other people are gone.

Not sure what more you want me to expand upon.



Just take a look at this guys filter and then couple that with his votes and tell me it isn't suspicious as hell. SnB, like hopeless, never sticks his neck out on any reads and just agrees or disagrees with other peoples points. Couple that with his votes (ignore the hapa vote, it was at the VERY start of the game and it was a complete joke vote; he only votes for debears, blazinghand, and ZB). He was also oddly quiet during the pile onto hapa - while being there to laugh the most and mkae jokes afterwards??

Some reservations I have about snb is that he has gone after both hapa and hopeless postings (hapa who we know is scum and hopeless who I have the strongest read on at the moment), but scum dissing on scum isn't unheard of. Another reservation is that he has gone after BH hardcore, who I would be just as willing to lunch at this point as snb (though I would still rather go after my top read atm - hopeless).

Anyways there you have it, hopefully night actions reveal some more stuffs.

This is all you've said about me. I posted a couple of pretty big defense posts - did you even read them? What did they make you think? Do you have any response to them?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:41 GMT
#2711
On November 18 2012 19:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 18:50 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah snb played diff d2, cause he was gone if he didnt. Look where he has been now with the pressure off of him again - GONE.


Wow he really bailed hard as soon as iamp started asking him about his dota. what is the deal snb


fuck you

I spent my whole day off yesterday playing mafia

I can't always be fucking super active all the time. No one was listening to me and it was fucking late at night

also: fuck you you terrible nasty aggressive bad has-been self-charicature
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:43 GMT
#2712
On November 18 2012 20:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How come there are so many lazy town in this game, but not the fucking newbies I played in.
Kickstarter, I've explained before why just sitting back and saying who you think is scummy is not enough.
Darth, you said the only person you're willing to lynch over zbo was me, make a fucking case.
Hopeless, seriously dude you are the closest we have to confirmed town, you have nothing to fear, this is the perfect time to read read read and get a read going.

I would also like everyone who voted zbo to explain why they didnt switch after his death post. Did it LOOK like a fucking WIFOM bomb? He called the towny players town and he called the scummy players scum.


complaining about lazy townies in a mini that's hit 136 pages before the end of N2

way to score easy points bro
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:45 GMT
#2713
Was z-boson a miller?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 18 2012 13:49 GMT
#2714
Can we seriously end all the personal attacks this game, I guess asking this 136 pages in is a bit late but seriously it is getting annoying.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:54 GMT
#2715
In the mafiascum/mafiawiki C9++ setup, it says "Mafia Roleblocker cannot kill AND block in the same night." Is that true in this game or has that been modified?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 13:55 GMT
#2716
On November 18 2012 22:49 Kickstart wrote:
Can we seriously end all the personal attacks this game, I guess asking this 136 pages in is a bit late but seriously it is getting annoying.


the "easy points" thing isn't meant to be a personal attack

it's a comment that you did something scummy

scum like to criticize town for inactivity, it's a way to seem town without actually helping the town.

the fact that your criticism is not valid makes it seem even scummier than usual
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 18 2012 14:00 GMT
#2717
It wasn't just me saying "god you're so inactive"
It was me actually trying to make the town active as well by pointing out certain people and asking questions. If you can't tell the difference that's not my fault.

Kickstart no one has personally attacked anyone else this game.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 14:01 GMT
#2718
Alright going to work, I'll get back on at some point. I have some comments on the setup stuff but no time to post them right now.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 18 2012 14:01 GMT
#2719
On November 18 2012 23:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
It wasn't just me saying "god you're so inactive"
It was me actually trying to make the town active as well by pointing out certain people and asking questions. If you can't tell the difference that's not my fault.

Kickstart no one has personally attacked anyone else this game.


that's not true at all

blazinghand has been personally attacking me plenty
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 18 2012 14:09 GMT
#2720
I was not referring to a singular post. And stop trying to read scum from me asking that people stop attacking people personally and cussing them etc, that is silly.
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