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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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Clarity_nl
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 15:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Did you end up reading my filter like you said you would? What do you think? Nah dude I just got back and saw this mass claim bullshit, had to put a stop to it first. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I hate to admit it but you have a point here. The decision is in the hands of the blue players. But I disagree with the fact that I should not try to convince them to claim because I think it would give us enough information to solve the game. I want to influence their decision and I don't see what is wring with that. If you were another blue in this game, what would you think of my plan ? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Is your only argument when it comes to djo's claim stuff that it should be a blue's decision? Basically yes. Claims as a rule should be determined by those claiming, but by VTs. a DT with no good checks, for example, shoudln't be outed for no reason. On November 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote: @ Blazinghand I hate to admit it but you have a point here. The decision is in the hands of the blue players. But I disagree with the fact that I should not try to convince them to claim because I think it would give us enough information to solve the game. I want to influence their decision and I don't see what is wring with that. If you were another blue in this game, what would you think of my plan ? If I were another blue in this game I'd base my decision on my check results etc rather than your plan. And if I was something like a Veteran I wouldn't be claiming. The thing is, anyone who argues strongly in favor of a mass-claim, then DOESN'T claim a blue role in the final hour of the night, has implicitly claimed VT-- this helps scum narrow their target list for N3 in terms of sniping a blue. So I guess my answer is that my claiming or not claiming, if I were an unclaimed blue, would be independent of your plan. Really though I think we should drop it other than to say: Blue, if you want to claim, feel free to do so at your leisure. Once one blue has claimed then yeah sure let's have the rest of us claim and see if we end up with 4 blues total instead of 3 (in which case scum is probably among the 4 blues). As it stands, though, this claim decision belongs in the hands of the last blue, not in the hands of us. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:05 Blazinghand wrote: Basically yes. Claims as a rule should be determined by those claiming, NOT by VTs. a DT with no good checks, for example, shoudln't be outed for no reason. EBWOP | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 18 2012 15:55 Blazinghand wrote: Djoref you're still opting out of serious scumhunting discussion with your specious claim-strats, setup speculation, and unnatural tunneling of me. I gave you a pass for 72 hours to get your shit together, and I'm really not seeing it. Is your transition here really to try to out a blue who doesn't want to be outed? The blues make their own decisions, not you. @ BH My claim strat is not specious, it's likely that it would end the game for us. But I understand that you don't want to admit the validity of it. My tunneling is not unnatural. Most likely, there is only one bad guy left. You fit the profile so I want you dead. I'm not going to give you any rest until you are lynched or manage somehow to show me that you are indeed a town player. I'm quite the stubborn and tunnely type ^^ | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
You may think I'm scum, but surely you don't think it's a 100% chance. And by the way you're playing, I, and many people who do in fact not think I'm scum, can't get a townread on you. What do you want me to do, man? I'm not one to push people to acknowledge they could be wrong, but even when I am pushing a guy close to lynch time, I tell him to give out some final reads in case he flips town. I account for the possibility of being wrong. I guess I'll put this plainly: If you don't make cases on anyone else and if continue as you are now, I'm lynching you tomorrow. End of story, you're out of the game. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Please consider all my posts I've made to show how much a mass claim strategy would help us. I think you have now enough arguments at your disposition so you take your decision. I'll drop this subject now unless someone asks me directly a setup-related question. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:14 Djodref wrote: @ The Blues Please consider all my posts I've made to show how much a mass claim strategy would help us. I think you have now enough arguments at your disposition so you take your decision. I'll drop this subject now unless someone asks me directly a setup-related question. @the VTs if you claim before the last blue does you a dick | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I confirm Djo's tunneling meta. Although he could be doing it as scum, but it is not a scum tell for him to be stubborn to the point where you start to disbelieve him. Hm, okay. If this is what he does as town, perhaps it's not valid to lynch him for it. I still demand he give other reads though. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:16 Blazinghand wrote: Hm, okay. If this is what he does as town, perhaps it's not valid to lynch him for it. I still demand he give other reads though. Or rather, that he develop them and push cases other than me. IF he views me as his top scumread that's fine but he's avoiding any sort of accountability this way. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:18 Blazinghand wrote: Or rather, that he develop them and push cases other than me. IF he views me as his top scumread that's fine but he's avoiding any sort of accountability this way. I agree. I find your extreme reaction to djo's plan quite weird though. When it comes to night actions, no one should be directing them, blues should figure it out. (you can suggest them, obviously, but not pushing for them) However this is not about night actions. Djo is talking about a mass claim, something that requires discussion. You don't want 3 people to figure out on their own if a mass claim plan is a good idea or not. I wasn't a fan of all Djo's setup speculation during D2 but his plan currently deserves consideration. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Look, there's one Blue left in this game. He alone knows his role and his results if he's an investigative role. Nobody here has the qualifications to determine if he should claim or not except himself. VTs claiming could force him out, and even worse, if everyone's like "yeah the blue should claim tonight" except for one guy, and the blue doesn't claim tonight, it will be alarmingly obvious to scum who the last blue is. This is simple policy-like stuff. VTs don't claim VT. the fact that this is even brought up outside of a newbie game (where people don't know this thing) or a themed game (where the setup might mean a mass-claim is necessary) is appalling. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I've read games with veterans on these forums where mass claims were discussed and even happened. This is not a black and white issue. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 18 2012 16:13 Blazinghand wrote: <snip> You may think I'm scum, but surely you don't think it's a 100% chance. And by the way you're playing, I, and many people who do in fact not think I'm scum, can't get a townread on you. What do you want me to do, man? I'm not one to push people to acknowledge they could be wrong, but even when I am pushing a guy close to lynch time, I tell him to give out some final reads in case he flips town. I account for the possibility of being wrong. I guess I'll put this plainly: If you don't make cases on anyone else and if continue as you are now, I'm lynching you tomorrow. End of story, you're out of the game. This one is actually correct, it's not a 100% chance because it you have an uncontested JK claim for the moment and I might be wrong after all. There is a way to know for sure if we can believe this claim or not but I understand now that it is not my decision. I'm back to scumhunting now I suppose. Actually, your latest posts made sense so I'll look seriously into debears before the deadline. | ||
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