EPTCould you please give me a summary of your actions during D1 ?
I'm interested to know your point of view...
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Could you please give me a summary of your actions during D1 ? I'm interested to know your point of view... | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
No major conclusion - but I think you are town. You are actually looking more and more town. The way I see it : You started pretty distant, not too much posting, pretty neutral, staying off arguments (Deb/Rad, Deb fluff percentage). Then you actually went for only one real case D1 : Debears, not massively convincing, and you did decide to drop it yourself when people shifted focus. Backing off, more scummy than townie attitude. You remained consistent in your judgment though : Voted CC for not explained himself and the WIFOM defense, before revising your vote and going for your initial read on Debears. We both know we were targeting the wrong guy as well, but still we avoided sheeping and jumping on CC's slip. Since then you are trying to push for more cases, you put pressure on Djodref, Obzy and try to avoid people to blue hunt. I find this very towny attitude because you want to increase the horizon of lynch and potential association. We being narrow minded on one person only (Clarity - than I find scummy myself) when we have roughly 30 more hours to hunt ! | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 06 2012 16:56 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity If you are town, the only way to redeem yourself is to seriously scumhunt from now on. Don't waste your time on defense and I would recommend you to not waste your time on me, but that's up to you. Now that you're finally giving me the chance. Or no it's not even that, it's that you're being forced to give me the chance. Why would you add that I shouldn't make a case on you? please explain. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 05 2012 15:23 Rad wrote: <skip> What if clarity PM'd the host asking about this before the cheese incident? What if he just realized that you can't read into the flavor too much because, well, it's true, you can't read into the flavor too much? Why must "he's scum!" be the answer? Null read to me.[/QUOTE] How did you know that Clarity had sent a PM to the host about this subject before he told us ? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:50 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What if clarity PM'd the host asking about this before the cheese incident? What if he just realized that you can't read into the flavor too much because, well, it's true, you can't read into the flavor too much? Why must "he's scum!" be the answer? Null read to me. How did you know that Clarity had sent a PM to the host about this subject before he told us ?[/QUOTE] Because of the time it took me to reply in the thread, and the hours upon hours it takes for marv to get back to you (just kidding marv) | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Now that you're finally giving me the chance. Or no it's not even that, it's that you're being forced to give me the chance. Why would you add that I shouldn't make a case on you? please explain. @ Clarity I'm town, you would just waste your time. Could you tell us how you came with the idea to ask the host a question about the VT flavor ? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity I'm town, you would just waste your time. Could you tell us how you came with the idea to ask the host a question about the VT flavor ? I have said this, a million times. The VT flavor in the PM is different than the flavor in the OP. Please read my posts, stop repeating questions and accusations if you actually believe they have merit. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:51 Clarity_nl wrote: How did you know that Clarity had sent a PM to the host about this subject before he told us ? Because of the time it took me to reply in the thread, and the hours upon hours it takes for marv to get back to you (just kidding marv)[/QUOTE] @ Clarity How could it be possible for you to answer this for Rad ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I have said this, a million times. The VT flavor in the PM is different than the flavor in the OP. Please read my posts, stop repeating questions and accusations if you actually believe they have merit. @ Clarity Did you think, as Cheese did, that VT claim could be imb4 in this game ? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm answering a question which will be asked to me anyway if Rad doesn't know. But if Rad thought logically the answer would be the same as mine. Or maybe he just read one of the five posts where you asked me this and I explained. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 06 2012 17:56 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity Did you think, as Cheese did, that VT claim could be imb4 in this game ? No, because I learnt that everyone had the flavor. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Could you explain your FoS on Obzy a bit better? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Since you are so certain I am scum, why have you not been concerned with finding the second scum until people forced you to back off? Debears admitted he was wrong to push me N1 because he'd be bluehunting, so when the day would come (and he'd be alive) I imagine he'd pressure me again. You on the other hand didn't care at all, push push push push. Have you not considered the possibility that, since you've been pushing me for 48h straight, you might have confirmation bias? Especially since you're saying it's okay to bluehunt as long as you push your top scumread.... | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On November 06 2012 02:09 Alsn wrote: So, I'd like to start with asking the following questions: @da0ud, you had claimed that you considered Clarity to be your top lynch candidate before going to bed. Yet Clarity switching to Cheesecake over debears made you vote for debears? Why? If you believed Cheese to be innocent, why would you suddenly disregard the fact that your top scum read was trying to push Cheese's lynch? I know that you also considered debears scummy, but what made you choose him? You were the one who was responsible for the debears counter-wagon, why did you pick debears and not Clarity? @Alsn As I said before the end of D1 (when I was going to bed), I wanted to vote someone in my top 3 : in order Clarity > Debears > Djodref. and they were all pushing for a CC lynch.... I said as well I did not want to put my vote yet because Clarity had not started putting his defense on. I wanted to advise based on how good a defense it would be. I did find his defense honorable and stated it (the order is odd : I said first why i want Debears and later why I felt better about Clarity, cause I had to act fast on trying to push a lynch on someone else than CC). On November 05 2012 14:02 da0ud wrote: I feel much better about Clarity after his defense. It looked not so very well organized but pretty sincere. On November 05 2012 09:39 da0ud wrote: I am reluctant to vote on CC. I want to vote Debears for again jumping right after Djo on the catching CC's slip and the voting on CC He looks like town giving up now. [b]##Vote Debears[b/] Debears was second in my scum list, I had seen him voting people right after Djo did druing day1. I found that scummy, a way to hide his intentions by always being second and not a driver in decision making. I thought on the actual lynch that he did sheep-vote again. He, on top of that, voted CC, untoved him, revoted him. Was pretty suspicious looking to me. As a conclusion, I was wrong ok, but I followed my logic. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I want to secure a lynch on you before anything else. You have already escaped your lynch yesterday and I don't want this to happen again. I'm disappointed that people are denying me information because it might out the blues. Scumhunting should come first, the best way to protect the blues is to pose a greater threat to the mafia as green than the blue themselves. I didn't find anyone showing such anti-town behavior as you. You didn't take a single stance before debears case against you and your interactions with me and Cheese don't make any sense if you were town. I might be wrong so I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself. Go on and make the best case of your life  | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 05 2012 14:02 da0ud wrote: I have not finished reading the thread, but this is exactly the way I feel about Djo's attitude that lynch. -> He asked to be put on the list of lynch candidates to prove his innocence. However this comes at 1.11am his time in Seoul, Korea (for those who still don't know. Btw Djo would be good if you could update your profile to show Korea instead of France, I am french as well though showing HK in my profile, we lost too much time with this confusion). This is pretty late for him to ask to be put as a lynch candidate and have time to prepare his defense. He has even used this trick against Clarity, saying he cannot defend himself on a case that is suppose to come. When I proposed to be a lynch candidate, this was an act of bravado. It was to test the confidence of my detractors into their case against me. Do they really believe I'm scum and post a case against me while looking bad because I'm not going to be able myself ? The result is that nobody made a case against me. So I guess that nobody really believed that I was scum. Clarity and Alsn have threatened to make case against me so I know now that it was empty threats. -> Moreover, Djo is the one who keeps quoting scum slips here and there subjectively. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote: Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese The word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. On November 04 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote: @ sylver So are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ? Sylver doesn't seem to understand the difference between the words "townies" and "players". Please keep in mind that debears also called him on it and I'm pretty sure he was going to bring it again in his promised case against sylver which he couldn't post. -> Finally, Djo as jumped on the case against Cheese as soon as he slept.Not budging from his position. I was wrong saying that Debears sheeped on this one. He votes CC first, fair enough, then Djo voted again. Here are three of his consecutive posts : + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 09:02 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese So, it's ok for you to get the thread derailed for a joke at one hour before the lynch ? Why did you claim, for real ? On November 05 2012 09:03 Djodref wrote: I still want my Clarity lynch by the way  On November 05 2012 09:19 Djodref wrote: WHY DID YOU CLAIM AT THIS MOMENT, CHEESE ? MOTIVATIONS ? ##Unvote ##Vote Cheese What happened to you wanting your "Clarity lynch " ?When everybody started to focus on Cheese and his ill-timed claim, I thought that the momentum to lynch Clarity was lost. So I had no problem to switch on Cheese when this guy was not making any sense and was proclaiming my top scumread "confirmed town". I thought it was part of a plan to save Clarity. Check the thread and you can see that I was on the same line that obzy at that time and that I was thinking that the scumteam was Clarity/Cheese. Conclusion : I think Djo is blending in, attacking people on small things (nitpicking himself while pointing out we should not nitpick in his post), and try to prove his innocence by showing his is able to fight his way against a lynch while bullying people who would actually do it because he won't be here to do so. Me ? Blending in ? I'm the one with the biggest number of cases so far. I don't attack people on small things. I didn't set up Clarity, he gave him a fair warning. People didn't take a chance against me because they didn't have the balls to do it, which is not very townie. @ daoud My comments in bold font in your quote. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 05 2012 15:23 Rad wrote: <snip> What if clarity PM'd the host asking about this before the cheese incident? What if he just realized that you can't read into the flavor too much because, well, it's true, you can't read into the flavor too much? Why must "he's scum!" be the answer? Null read to me. On November 05 2012 21:01 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> I asked marv about the flavor role PMs way before Cheese claimed. The reason I sounded so "condescending" (as you put it) is because I wanted him to shut up and explain why he claimed, and to try and stop others from claiming, but things went to shit fast. The reason I didn't say this earlier was because I had to check with marv if I was allowed to post this. @ Rad How did you know that Clarity send a PM to marv before he admitted it himself for the first time ? Please look at the timestamps. | ||
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