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@ Clarity
On November 06 2012 03:00 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 02:32 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Could you at least tell me when you asked marv your question ?
I'm only asking for when right now ^^ Date: 11/5/12 2:48 <snip>
I'm not sure what time you are talking about in your answer... Is it KST ?
Could you give me the time again with a post you have sent to the thread around the same time when you sent your question to marv ?
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On November 06 2012 18:30 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 14:02 da0ud wrote:What if we had really tried to push Djodref for the lynch on D1 ? On November 05 2012 07:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ debears
I have the case in hand, I will post it if it looks like I'll be lynched, otherwise I will post it tomorrow.
Djo was trying to pressure me into posting my case on him, starts adding that he won't be around for lynchtime, that's fine.
I come back, you and him both have cases on me, and turns out Djo is in South Korea(??) so he's not around for 7 hours before lynchtime.
He then points out that I just don't want him to put up a defense, says he's going to bed, replies to my post 10 minutes later emphasizing that if I post a case on him it just means I don't want him to be there to defend himself. I feel set up, but nothing I can do.
I didn't go from "this" to "that". Notice how I said: "Yes Djo my case was going to be about you" I have not finished reading the thread, but this is exactly the way I feel about Djo's attitude that lynch. -> He asked to be put on the list of lynch candidates to prove his innocence.
However this comes at 1.11am his time in Seoul, Korea (for those who still don't know. Btw Djo would be good if you could update your profile to show Korea instead of France, I am french as well though showing HK in my profile, we lost too much time with this confusion). On November 05 2012 01:11 Djodref wrote:I would like sylver to be considered as a lynch candidate for today as well. I have no problem with me being also a candidate (even if I would have preferred to address the possible cases against me not while waking up) because being mislynched last game allowed me to clearly see who was pushing me for bad reasons. I'm confident that you could recognize my innocence this time  And why nobody has yet commented on the newest slip from sylver ? This is pretty late for him to ask to be put as a lynch candidate and have time to prepare his defense. He has even used this trick against Clarity, saying he cannot defend himself on a case that is suppose to come. When I proposed to be a lynch candidate, this was an act of bravado. It was to test the confidence of my detractors into their case against me. Do they really believe I'm scum and post a case against me while looking bad because I'm not going to be able myself ? The result is that nobody made a case against me. So I guess that nobody really believed that I was scum. Clarity and Alsn have threatened to make case against me so I know now that it was empty threats.-> Moreover, Djo is the one who keeps quoting scum slips here and there subjectively. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:30 sylverfyre wrote:@ObzyI'm casting suspicion with my vote. I find it far more effective than FOS, which can be more difficult to keep track of. Votes, the mod will keep track of for us. I understand he's the most active person. If that was 3 pages of posts with useful content, I'd have no issue. It's like 2 pages of fluff and 1 page of content, and the 1 page of content could be condensed if he didn't jam the "post" button after finishing a sentence, when he fully intends to immediately write another one. @Rad - you were friggin brilliant D2/N2 last game. It's a shame you used your only bullet N1.  @ sylverfyreSo let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire
@ ClarityIt answers your question On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 23:59 debears wrote:
@Djo
What do you think of my points on Sylver? Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 02:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 04 2012 02:01 Djodref wrote:I would like to add a point regarding sylver's scumslip. Please take note how he reacted to it. On November 04 2012 01:08 sylverfyre wrote:
/snip
And finally, on your final point:
I'm not saying townies will be more dedicated this game. I'm saying PLAYERS will be more dedicated this game. Why? The game filled up instantly and we don't have anyone from last game who lurked like crazy except for da0ud (who was on vacation, and is presumably more available now. I hope.) We have no Roco69 players this game, even da0ud has posted some content now. I don't think we'll have a day 1 lynch with anything less than 9 votes cast.
Your scumslip is grasping at straws and making up scum tells is really bad for town. Leaving my vote on you.
/snip
He denies the fact that he used the word "townies". In my opinion, a town player would have said "I've used the word townies but I meant players, I've slipped, my bad". Last game, I've accepted my slip and explained why I've slipped. I think it is mafia reaction to deny it like that. He's not denying using the word townies. He's denying the connotation of the word townies. There is no motivation for anyone to outright deny that they used a word, because, well, it's written in stone.On November 04 2012 01:59 debears wrote:
@CC
What do you think of Djo's seriousness attitude this game?
His personality seems different from last game in that regard, where he seemed much more amicable Top scumread atm (Woa, is this last game already?) He's still smileydjo, but seasoned with something I can't recognize this game. He's contradicting his own town play and, previously, trying to nitpick at me for little to no reason. @ CheeseThe word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. On November 04 2012 16:55 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 16:27 sylverfyre wrote:
@Obzy - I made a pressure vote. Debears responded to it. We went back and forth at each other for a while. When we started to get into a loop of OMGUS, I was starting to feel like it was a waste of time and space that wasn't bringing a lot to the town, I let the vote drop. Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people.
I'm not going to random vote first half of day 1 and follow it through all the way to lynchtime unless my target makes some SERIOUS scumtells under pressure. While debears doesn't exactly look pristine, I need to look at (and scumhunt sniff) more than 1 person on day 1. @ sylverSo are you saying that debears is a townie ? Slipping again ? I'm not sure what you want to say by "he doesn't exactly look pristine". Could you elaborate ? -> Finally, Djo as jumped on the case against Cheese as soon as he slept.Not budging from his position. I was wrong saying that Debears sheeped on this one. He votes CC first, fair enough, then Djo voted again. Here are three of his consecutive posts : + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2012 09:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 09:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I claimed because the OP isn't indicative of flavor. I assumed Marv made a boo-boo, but apparently not since scum got role PM's too. Debears caught it right away. It also was a moment of fun in this thread xD @ Cheese So, it's ok for you to get the thread derailed for a joke at one hour before the lynch ? Why did you claim, for real ? On November 05 2012 09:03 Djodref wrote:I still want my Clarity lynch by the way On November 05 2012 09:19 Djodref wrote:
WHY DID YOU CLAIM AT THIS MOMENT, CHEESE ?
MOTIVATIONS ?
##Unvote
##Vote Cheese What happened to you wanting your "Clarity lynch " ? When everybody started to focus on Cheese and his ill-timed claim, I thought that the momentum to lynch Clarity was lost. So I had no problem to switch on Cheese when this guy was not making any sense and was proclaiming my top scumread "confirmed town". I thought it was part of a plan to save Clarity. Check the thread and you can see that I was on the same line that obzy at that time and that I was thinking that the scumteam was Clarity/Cheese.Conclusion : I think Djo is blending in, attacking people on small things (nitpicking himself while pointing out we should not nitpick in his post), and try to prove his innocence by showing his is able to fight his way against a lynch while bullying people who would actually do it because he won't be here to do so. Me ? Blending in ?
I'm the one with the biggest number of cases so far. I don't attack people on small things. I didn't set up Clarity, he gave him a fair warning. People didn't take a chance against me because they didn't have the balls to do it, which is not very townie. @ daoudMy comments in bold font in your quote.
@ Djo
You don't exactly answer my accusations
First point, the problem was not that you asked for a case against you. But that you asked for a case right before going to bed and blaming Clarity that anyway you won't be able to defend yourself cause he waited too long to post his case.
Second point, you are stating one of the scum slips. The biggest one, which i still find subjective. You called for many other scum-tells here and there.
Last point, again you are not directly answering my point. I understand that you voted for CC for his silly claim, and at least 4 towns did. What I regret is that you attack CC calmly then reiterates that you want you clarity lynch and out of a sudden without saying, i give up on clarity you irreversibly change horse.
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And Djo, I agree that not too many people are currently around, but you were supposed to switch focus for some time.
As far as I know apart from one (nicely formatted ) case on Sylver there is nothing else than extra tunnelling on Clarity.
At least find other new arguments against him to bring to the table.
Who cares about the time of the PM with Marv. Marv himself said there wont be any copy paste of anything so Clarity will obviously give you an answer that satisfy you. You are flooding the thread here.
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Guys, I have client dinner tonight. Leaving the office now.
I won't be around until tomorrow morning my time, which is roughly gonna be 12 hours from now.
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On November 06 2012 19:01 da0ud wrote:And Djo, I agree that not too many people are currently around, but you were supposed to switch focus for some time. As far as I know apart from one (nicely formatted ) case on Sylver there is nothing else than extra tunnelling on Clarity. At least find other new arguments against him to bring to the table. Who cares about the time of the PM with Marv. Marv himself said there wont be any copy paste of anything so Clarity will obviously give you an answer that satisfy you. You are flooding the thread here.
@ daoud
I think that I'm investing myself more than you in this game so I'm not going to accept your critic for the fact that I did only focus on sylver.
I'll answer your case again though...
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On November 06 2012 11:18 Djodref wrote:@ ClarityShow nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right? Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity
I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea. @ ClarityRight now, Obzy, daoud and me want to lynch you. I guess it shouldn't be too difficult to convince sylverfyre to vote against you as well. I want you to roleclaim and to tell us what you did ask marv exactly.I'm on Obzy side, I cannot believe that you could be something else than blue or red, given your experience in this game.
On November 06 2012 09:57 Djodref wrote:
If Clarity claims tomorrow, this is going to be a fakeclaim
I'm 99% of this. If I die, I'll hope you understand that the claim is fake.
@ Djo
Why would claiming during the night be good, but me claiming today would be a scum move?
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ebwop: Also, what do you mean by "your experience this game"?
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On November 06 2012 19:09 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:01 da0ud wrote:And Djo, I agree that not too many people are currently around, but you were supposed to switch focus for some time. As far as I know apart from one (nicely formatted ) case on Sylver there is nothing else than extra tunnelling on Clarity. At least find other new arguments against him to bring to the table. Who cares about the time of the PM with Marv. Marv himself said there wont be any copy paste of anything so Clarity will obviously give you an answer that satisfy you. You are flooding the thread here. @ daoudI think that I'm investing myself more than you in this game so I'm not going to accept your critic for the fact that I did only focus on sylver. I'll answer your case again though...
Again not what I said at all : I said since you announced you would stop tunneling clarity you had only one post (a case against sylver) before shifting back to tunnelling clarity.
Nothing against your investment in that game. I see you have not slept much indeed.
Ps : sorry phone posting
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@ Clarity
Night or Day, I'm expecting a fake blue claim from you. I wanted to force you to produce it and try to show how your blue claim is fake. I did not manage to do it last time for dandel but I should get my revenge
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
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On November 06 2012 20:11 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 19:09 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 19:01 da0ud wrote:And Djo, I agree that not too many people are currently around, but you were supposed to switch focus for some time. As far as I know apart from one (nicely formatted ) case on Sylver there is nothing else than extra tunnelling on Clarity. At least find other new arguments against him to bring to the table. Who cares about the time of the PM with Marv. Marv himself said there wont be any copy paste of anything so Clarity will obviously give you an answer that satisfy you. You are flooding the thread here. @ daoudI think that I'm investing myself more than you in this game so I'm not going to accept your critic for the fact that I did only focus on sylver. I'll answer your case again though... Again not what I said at all : I said since you announced you would stop tunneling clarity you had only one post (a case against sylver) before shifting back to tunnelling clarity. Nothing against your investment in that game. I see you have not slept much indeed. Ps : sorry phone posting
ok, I got your point. I couldn't control myself ^^
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On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Night or Day, I'm expecting a fake blue claim from you. I wanted to force you to produce it and try to show how your blue claim is fake. I did not manage to do it last time for dandel but I should get my revenge
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
So what you are saying is that regardless of what I claim or how I claim it, you would have considered it a false claim because I am scum?
Why would I claim blue during the night, why would you try to get me to claim blue during the night? I don't see an obvious scum motive, since odds were scum wouldn't lynch me, looking at all the pressure on me, but I sure as hell don't see a town motive. You were saying (and still are) that I'm either scum or blue, and then you ask me to claim my role?
How are you so absolutely sure that I'm scum, yet you can only convince half of the players. I've asked you before if you have wondered at any point if you have confirmation bias, could you please answer that question?
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On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
I still don't understand what you mean by this.
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I think that you are blue or scum because a VT Clarity would have defended Cheese.
But I don t think that you can really be blue...
So there is a big chance for you to be scum
call it confirmation bias if you want, I dont understand why you want argue with me...
Y u no scumhunt ?
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On November 06 2012 20:46 Djodref wrote:I think that you are blue or scum because a VT Clarity would have defended Cheese. But I don t think that you can really be blue... So there is a big chance for you to be scum call it confirmation bias if you want, I dont understand why you want argue with me... Y u no scumhunt ?
I'm doing it right now.
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ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie
please tell me where I am wrong
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On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie
please tell me where I am wrong
You are wrong in the fact that no matter which role I am I would have noticed the flavor difference in PM and OP.
This automatically answers your second point, why the hell would I go into a high five festival, giving scum more info about who's VT and who's blue.
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Stop repeating questions over and over. I have answered this already.
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On November 06 2012 21:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie
please tell me where I am wrong You are wrong in the fact that no matter which role I am I would have noticed the flavor difference in PM and OP. This automatically answers your second point, why the hell would I go into a high five festival, giving scum more info about who's VT and who's blue.
Do you have any idea the power you would have given to town with 3 confirmed townies ?
No, you wanted to avoid this, so you spread doubt and confusion.
My point is that you would have sympatize with debears and cheese if you were also a VT, especially with Cheese because you had no reason to suspect him beforehand (his play being very similar to yours), even with the extra information that you had, because you would have been before in their position, ie with no information at all.
Did you see debears reaction after this, he tried to confirm all the VT alltogether. It would have ended the game...
I'm sorry but you are not VT, and I hope that all the other VTs in this game can realize this after this poat.
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On November 06 2012 21:32 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 21:04 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
My conclusion: you are not VT or it s really unlikely and you have not natural reactions for a newbie
please tell me where I am wrong You are wrong in the fact that no matter which role I am I would have noticed the flavor difference in PM and OP. This automatically answers your second point, why the hell would I go into a high five festival, giving scum more info about who's VT and who's blue. Do you have any idea the power you would have given to town with 3 confirmed townies ? No, you wanted to avoid this, so you spread doubt and confusion. My point is that you would have sympatize with debears and cheese if you were also a VT, especially with Cheese because you had no reason to suspect him beforehand (his play being very similar to yours), even with the extra information that you had, because you would have been before in their position, ie with no information at all. Did you see debears reaction after this, he tried to confirm all the VT alltogether. It would have ended the game... I'm sorry but you are not VT, and I hope that all the other VTs in this game can realize this after this poat.
The power I would have given to TOWN?!
A mass roleclaim day 1 is good for town?
Even if I knew that Cheese was VT because of that post, which I didn't because I knew everyone had the flavor, how the hell is confirming 3 VT good for town? All it does is make the list of possible blue players shorter.
I told everyone to "stfu", because Cheese's claim meant nothing other than that he claimed VT. I read it as a null tell, but then he didn't defend himself and gave up, which I read as a scum tell.
Yes, I wanted to avoid having 3 non-confirmed town pose as confirmed town. I wasn't the one spreading doubt and confusion, cheese was. Even if I had said nothing marv would have still shown up and told everyone that the flavor is known to all.
Debears did react like that in the heat of the moment, Rad and Sylver called that out as the worst move of all time, and he agreed shortly after.
I sympathized with debears much more than cheese. I don't know why you think the opposite of that, there's a reason I jumped from debears to cheese, and there's a reason I didn't jump back on debears when I got the opportunity.
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