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On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him.
@da0ud
My big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it.
I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm.
I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now.
I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real).
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Ok, I'll drop the blue hunting questions, I understand that they are not helping me at all right now. I'm tunneling Clarity like this because he already escaped the lynch D1 and I don't want this to happen again. I want to be sure that we lynch Clarity today before focusing on someone else. I hope that you can realize that blues are not that important 
And, yeah, I'm really raging by now. And yes, association cases before flips are ridiculous, we were already discussing about this last game. Even if I think that Clarity is scum at 95%, I might be wrong.
##Vote Clarity
I don't know why I forgot to vote until now...
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On November 06 2012 14:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:03 Rad wrote:
@djo
I spent ~3 hours since the NK discussing mostly with you and some with obzy. Our conversation got stale as hell and I have to enjoy my real life too or I will go mfing insane tomorrow trying to work. Don't even BEGIN to claim I'm not helping town just because I won't role claim right now. Of course if we kill all the scum then it doesn't matter if everyone in the game role claimed and all the blues were outted, because in the end town won. But WHAT POSSIBLE REASON do you think any of us have to believe you're town and you have town's best interests in mind? Do you think you're confirmed town by anyone at this point? Why the hell would anyone want to give you information when that information isn't appropriate to give right now from a town perspective.
About your clarity town vs djo scum garbage, you're missing the clarity town djo town scenario. Don't think it's possible that he had bad reads on you and you have bad reads on him? Why is it the case that one of you MUST be scum?
Always remember this: shitty town is not scum. We learned that from you last game, try to see if he fits and stop thinking all your points are pure gold. Rethink them. You have no idea how convinced I was that kush was scum last game and I was totally off. That shit can happen so you need to step back and get a grip. @ RadThe point in my argumention is not that one of us has to be scum (my alignment did not matter, I just wanted to emphasize how anti-town is his behavior in the case I would be scum), the main point is that he did not show town behavior in my interactions with me if he really had a scum read on me (which would be a bad read of course because I am town) and he did not show town behavior in his interactions with Cheese. And Clarity did not show town behavior before that as well (please refer to my case and debears case on him). I'm going to tunnel Clarity today until the moment when you are going to say, "ok, let's lynch him today". What's your read on him by the way ? Why are you defending him so much ?
My read on clarity is town, djo. I was defending bad points against him before I had that read though. I'm really disappointed that you're going to only tunnel him, considering there are 2 scum out there. I would suggest you at least scum hunt someone else for 24h and switch back to him after that if you insist. If I could recommend someone, I'd say Alsn, as he's skated by pretty freely and I feel compelled to consider him town also (for some unknown reason I can't figure out). I myself plan on looking into him.
In the meantime, I will reconsider my own thoughts towards clarity when I get a chance to, because cheese was my #1 town read last game, and clarity is now.
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On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him. @da0udMy big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it. I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm. I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now. I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real).
@ Rad
I was not shitty town last game, I've been pushing for a Dandel Ion lynch all D2 and I even doubted his fakeclaim. My case against him was spot on, and my case against Clarity is quite good I think right now. Of course, I've been looking scummy as well, but this is something you have to expect when someone is posting without paying attention to his posts and is taking strong stances.
I promise to stop the blue hunting.
I'll move on when you vote Clarity though...
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On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him. @da0udMy big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it. I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm. I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now. I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real). @ RadI was not shitty town last game, I've been pushing for a Dandel Ion lynch all D2 and I even doubted his fakeclaim. My case against him was spot on, and my case against Clarity is quite good I think right now. Of course, I've been looking scummy as well, but this is something you have to expect when someone is posting without paying attention to his posts and is taking strong stances. I promise to stop the blue hunting.
By shitty town, I meant you didn't look town at all last game. Do you disagree? Don't really care how good your reads are if I can't believe a word you say.
On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll move on when you vote Clarity though...
Do you promise?
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On November 06 2012 14:08 sylverfyre wrote:
@Djodref
You're getting increasingly hostile.
You're defending outing as many blues as it takes after only 1 night in the name of scumhunting. A cop claiming himself and 1 townie today is not going to help for very far into the game as both of them will probably be dead by the time LyLo rolls around. Yes, we need to find scum for ourselves. However, blues need to survive for a while or else we're looking at 5 town v 2 mafia... mislynch one more time and we're at LyLo. If we have no blues at a 3v2 lylo, and we don't KNOW who the 2 mafia are, we're probably (but not necessarily) fucked.
This is not the first questionable strategy you've pushed. I still disagree with how you want to approach lynching by not looking for a strict majority.
I still think clarity is scummy looking. But right now, you're being incredibly fishy with your tactics and your statements. Don't forget all the points I brought against you day 1. And the fact that I thought that 1 of either you or debears was likely scum... and debears flipped town.
@ sylverfire
Ok, I'm dropping all the questions that you are believing is blue hunting. I'm stubborn but I might be reasonable sometimes (note how I also dropped the slips against you). But please take into account that I'm not afraid to take strong stances on controversial positions when see them as scummy positions.
I would like you to reconsider your position on which one of Clarity and me is the most scummy. I know I have been aggressive but being accused of blue hunting when I feel that I'm the one doing the most part of the scum hunting in this town was really pissing me off. I'm calmer now
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On November 06 2012 14:45 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him. @da0udMy big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it. I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm. I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now. I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real). @ RadI was not shitty town last game, I've been pushing for a Dandel Ion lynch all D2 and I even doubted his fakeclaim. My case against him was spot on, and my case against Clarity is quite good I think right now. Of course, I've been looking scummy as well, but this is something you have to expect when someone is posting without paying attention to his posts and is taking strong stances. I promise to stop the blue hunting. By shitty town, I meant you didn't look town at all last game. Do you disagree? Don't really care how good your reads are if I can't believe a word you say. I was looking like shit because all the scumteam was pushing for my lynch. I have been also posting a lot of shit but that's something that you have to expect as town. I think that your actions and your general attitude is what is the most important. Anyway, calling me shitty town in my last game is not helping the atmosphere to get better  Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll move on when you vote Clarity though...
Do you promise? If you vote Clarity, I'm going to address daoud's case against me at first then I'm going to see what I can find. I'm interested in sylver and Alsn.
@ Rad
My comments in bold font in your quote
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On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs.
@Obzy
I have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere.
Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please !
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On November 06 2012 14:23 sylverfyre wrote:I like what da0ud's doing. It basically amounts to "If we're so sure about clarity, why don't we stop focusing on him and find the second scum?" + Show Spoiler [Inactivity Warning] +Can't post more tonight, have to be up early in the morning (or I won't get a chance to vote in the election all day) and I might not post much tomorrow at all - I have class AND work.
@ sylverfyre
I want to secure a Clarity lynch today more than anything else. Do you understand that I have some doubts about it when you have your vote on my back ?
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On November 06 2012 15:02 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs. @ObzyI have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere. Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please !
I was trying to. I voted Sylver, that was me attempting to push Sylver as a read and apparently I am just horrible at it because not a single person noticed or cared until now, at which point I'm told by you that it's not good enough. The lol is just how I type, I apologize for any confusion. I'll try to stop using it until I forget =l I had a strong Clar-is-scum read that got sort of shot down by doubts from Rad and Alsn, and not really being able to question adequately(apparently) earlier this morning.. Now there are votes on Clar and we're ignoring Sylv - ??? I don't understand. Until tomorrow afternoon (or maybe while I'm at work tomorrow), my vote is parked on Sylv and I think that other people should be voting Sylv too. If there's zero chance of a Sylv lynch because of lack of interest, lack of caring, lack of response to my attempt at a case from both other players and Sylv himself, I'll reconsider then, but seriously what the heck.
On November 06 2012 14:36 Rad wrote:My read on clarity is town, djo.
On November 06 2012 15:02 Rad wrote:##Vote Clarity
I just don't get it. I'm not implying that Rad isn't town, it just astonishes me how the tide of opinion shifts, and in less than 30 minutes. This morning I would've been more than happy to vote Clarity, it was my intention to do so, and I feel like I was talked/intimidated out of it. Now, here we are again.
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On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs.
@ Obzy
If you do not trust me, please check again debears cases and points against Clarity during D1/N1...
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On November 06 2012 15:25 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 15:02 da0ud wrote:On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs. @ObzyI have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere. Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please ! I was trying to. I voted Sylver, that was me attempting to push Sylver as a read and apparently I am just horrible at it because not a single person noticed or cared until now, at which point I'm told by you that it's not good enough. The lol is just how I type, I apologize for any confusion. I'll try to stop using it until I forget =l I had a strong Clar-is-scum read that got sort of shot down by doubts from Rad and Alsn, and not really being able to question adequately(apparently) earlier this morning.. Now there are votes on Clar and we're ignoring Sylv - ??? I don't understand. Until tomorrow afternoon (or maybe while I'm at work tomorrow), my vote is parked on Sylv and I think that other people should be voting Sylv too. If there's zero chance of a Sylv lynch because of lack of interest, lack of caring, lack of response to my attempt at a case from both other players and Sylv himself, I'll reconsider then, but seriously what the heck. I just don't get it. I'm not implying that Rad isn't town, it just astonishes me how the tide of opinion shifts, and in less than 30 minutes. This morning I would've been more than happy to vote Clarity, it was my intention to do so, and I feel like I was talked/intimidated out of it. Now, here we are again.
@ Obzy
Rad is doing this because I promised him to focus on someone else if he voted Clarity
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@ Djo, I will vote Clarity as well. I still consider him top scum and I want you to be happy.
So please, you said you will stop with him for some time and you continue. Move on now that you are happy man.
Please look at some other people as well.
Rad's gonna look at Alsn.
I will look at Rad, because I said I would read his filter and I have not yet.
##Vote Clarity
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On November 06 2012 15:25 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 15:02 da0ud wrote:On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs. @ObzyI have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere. Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please ! I was trying to. I voted Sylver, that was me attempting to push Sylver as a read and apparently I am just horrible at it because not a single person noticed or cared until now, at which point I'm told by you that it's not good enough. The lol is just how I type, I apologize for any confusion. I'll try to stop using it until I forget =l I had a strong Clar-is-scum read that got sort of shot down by doubts from Rad and Alsn, and not really being able to question adequately(apparently) earlier this morning.. Now there are votes on Clar and we're ignoring Sylv - ??? I don't understand. Until tomorrow afternoon (or maybe while I'm at work tomorrow), my vote is parked on Sylv and I think that other people should be voting Sylv too. If there's zero chance of a Sylv lynch because of lack of interest, lack of caring, lack of response to my attempt at a case from both other players and Sylv himself, I'll reconsider then, but seriously what the heck. I just don't get it. I'm not implying that Rad isn't town, it just astonishes me how the tide of opinion shifts, and in less than 30 minutes. This morning I would've been more than happy to vote Clarity, it was my intention to do so, and I feel like I was talked/intimidated out of it. Now, here we are again.
@Obzy
Read the thread, you'll understand my vote on clarity. Hell, read my post before it O.o
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I see. Okay, then. I'll read debears' (and Djo's) posts again - my doubts about Clarity being scum took place after CC's mislynch and trying to figure out the situation, I will go through the thread pre-day 1 and look at the parts involving Clarity again tomorrow.
And Rad - I completely understand that you're voting Clarity to appease Djo and encourage him to scumhunt elsewhere, but if you don't legitimately think that Clarity is scum, I disagree with the fact that you are voting him... but I guess this early on in the day, it doesn't matter enormously.
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@obzy
Don't read into my vote too much, other than what was said by me. If you check my history, I take my votes very seriously, in that I don't do them unless I feel there's a good reason to. I want djo to do scum hunting other than clarity at this point. He made a request, I accepted. Not a big deal. He has his reasons for wanting me to vote clarity this early even though he knows my vote isn't real, and I'm also interested in seeing how that plays out.
I think if you focused on clarity, like you're saying you want to, that would be great. You can come to a good conclusion then either way. I have a town read on him, but it's not 100% confirmed necessarily. I could be wrong, and have been in the past. I just really want djo off him and onto something else, because ultimately there are 2 scum whether clarity is scum or not. And if clarity is town, as I suspect, djo tunneling him for the next 48 hours is a terrible waste.
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Sylverfyre
Too scummy to be scum ? Or am I fooling myself ?
Part I --- The votes
I personally find that sylverfyre is using his votes quite lightly. The reasons he is presenting for his votes are not documented enough and he is not giving us what he is trying to achieve with his votes. Please also note that he has only voted for town players until now (yes, I'm including myself in the town players). Here are some examples...
On November 03 2012 14:44 sylverfyre wrote:
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##Vote debears
Your fluff, and your reaction against Alsn seem odd to me. Also, your claim of always being perfect about on at lynchtime. Now we can't even use it (in the future) as a scumtell on you because it'd turn into WIFOM.
Here he is voting the most active town player for poor reasons. You cannot accuse someone being full or fluff without supporting it. This is just discrediting debears if you do it this way. The early FoS had been discarded by debears and the "always present at lynch" point was minor. Please note that he doesn't state that he wants to prevent debears from posting fluff with his vote. There is no clear motivation stated.
On November 06 2012 13:44 sylverfyre wrote:
This most recent post by you is even more ridiculously scummy. Don't care if you have to out all the blues while scumhunting? Maybe because you're actually blue-hunting?
##Vote Djodref
Here he is voting me because I'm blue-hunting. No more explanation given, I don't know what he is expecting to do with his vote. Does he want me dead today ? Am I his top scum read ? Does he want me to stop blue hunting ? I do not know !
My biggest issue with his votes is that his MOTIVATIONS ARE NOT CLEAR ! Does he want to lynch, does he want to pressure ? I don't understand and I have a bad feeling about this...
Advice to Sylverfyre - If you are town and your goal is to cast suspicion, I advice you to start making some real cases with good content against your scum reads and push them. Your (random) voting style makes you look suspicious.
Part II --- The scumtells
I don't know if sylverfyre is understanding the difference between the word "townies" and "players" but the way he is using "townie(s)" is some posts could be scumslips. I've decided that he must be the worst mafia player ever (in term of slipping) or that he is really genuine in his posts, regardless of his alignment. Here are some examples...
On November 03 2012 14:44 sylverfyre wrote:
Holy shit, this flavor. What.
If we're gonna lynch a lurker, I'd rather it be early game than late, at least. But I think that we have more... dedication among the townies this game. There wasn't a long wait for the last few signups - everyone here seems pretty pumped to play some mafia seriously. I don't think lurker policy lynch will come up at all.
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Should have used players...
On November 04 2012 16:27 sylverfyre wrote:
@Obzy - I made a pressure vote. Debears responded to it. We went back and forth at each other for a while. When we started to get into a loop of OMGUS, I was starting to feel like it was a waste of time and space that wasn't bringing a lot to the town, I let the vote drop. Scum love nothing more than when two townies are at each others throats constantly without looking at other people.
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Would this sentence not make debaers and him 2 townies ? Yet he keeps on tunneling debears...
HERE COMES THE ICING ON THE CAKE !
On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:
My chance following cheesecake voting debears?
If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both.
This post, one minute before Cheese flips town, while sylver has still his vote parked on him. Biggest scum tell ever, you can find him in all the scum hunting guidebooks for beginners.
Advice to Sylverfyre: If you are town, please learn the difference between "townies" and "players" and try not to slip. Town players can be lynched for slips.
Part III --- Activity and Scumhunting
Both of them lack of consistence. Seriously, you cannot go on like this, sylver, you are going to get lynched...
I don't want to go into the details for this part, I'm waiting for him to step up
Part IV --- Why I still think he might be town
Too scummy to be scum
Sylverfyre obviously stands out
Sylverfyre is the only one really going after me, which shows some originality
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I have town reads on Obzy and daoud. I'm not going to consider them at scum nor focus on them unless someone brings a golden case against them on the table.
I don't know about Rad and Alsn. I'm very worried about Rad stance on Clarity and I want Alsn to explain how he came off with a scum Cheese case in 2 hours just before the lynch.
My read on sylverfyre is null.
I want Clarity dead today.
@ Clarity
If you are town, the only way to redeem yourself is to seriously scumhunt from now on. Don't waste your time on defense and I would recommend you to not waste your time on me, but that's up to you.
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@ Rad
Why did you call me scum at the beginning of D2 ?
On November 06 2012 10:13 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 10:11 Djodref wrote:On November 06 2012 10:03 Rad wrote:
Wow scum, you couldn't read that debears was a VT? LOL. Why do you think he high fived cheese? @ RadThe mafia priority is not blue sniping. Debears was a good choice... While being active and all, debears was kind of a town leader, even if he was controversial. Him being gone makes life easier for scum. Also, we can make some assumptions - mafia wanted to frame sylver
- You and/or sylver are in the mafia team and you wanted debears gone
- mafia wanted to frame the people suspicious of debears
Feeling stupid, scum?
and now I see in your filter
On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote:
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I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm.
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You didn't even explain the FoS you had against me this morning ? What's happening ?
Why the sudden changes of heart ?
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