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@Obzy
I'm not 100% on you being scum yet so I want to give you a chance to redeem yourself if you are indeed town.
I looked through your filter and you just don't do any scum hunting. You're very neutral on everything. You FoS'd cheese and clarity and... that's about it? Maybe someone else that I'm forgetting, maybe not. You ask very neutral questions and you don't get in people's face about your concerns. I get that you could be a town that just doesn't want to get in people's faces, but I need you to scum hunt somehow. Find holes in people's arguments, push them, question them. I did not get the feel that you did any of that when I was looking through your filter. You're, from what I can tell, the definition of active neutral lurker, blending. You don't step on anyone's toes, but you need to start. I'm not convinced clarity's scum and just because many others are (or were, whatever the case now) convinced doesn't mean you're allowed to sit back and say "I'm definitely voting clarity next lynch" like it's a strong stance, or "you shouldn't try to convince me you're not scum, you should try to go find who is" like you're doing a good job of it and he isn't.
I realize telling you my concerns this early if you're scum gives you the chance to change and "convince" me by changing into what I wanted you to be. However, if you're town, I don't want to make the mistake of misreading you. I think if you're town, you'll be able to convince me with good scum hunting and smart pressure.
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Hm. I think if you're banking on me upping my play and showing off hidden skills, you'll be disappointed. I was hoping to get NK'd because reading is more fun than playing IMO, having experienced it a bit, but didn't expect it because there's no reason to NK me yet. If I'm going to assume that Clarity is town, then that leaves Sylv as the only scum I feel relatively confident in voting.
Me Rad Alsn dead-cc dead-db - Clar is tentative ^^
That would leave Djo, Sylv, and da0ud. Djo was going crazy attacking Clar and was waiting for DB's supposed case on Sylv -
If I'm assuming Clar is town, it makes me wonder about that, I guess.
I'd like to vote Sylv. Before Day1 post finished, I wanted to vote Clar - I feel like trusting his answer though if that makes sense. The fact that you and Alsn had town reads on him (iirc) implies that I was just outright wrong.
I've sort of ignored da0ud. I put a lot of time into reading the thread early on and kinda snapped and decided to try to worry about this game less, and he took awhile to start posting relative to the game's start. I've been largely trusting other peoples' opinions on him and not bothering looking critically. I have difficulty seeing nuances in da0ud/djo's typing styles[not that I'm a good judge anyways D: ] but Djo has been talking more often.
On November 06 2012 11:00 Rad wrote:You don't step on anyone's toes, but you need to start.
I guess
##Vote Sylverfyre
then.
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@ Clarity
On November 05 2012 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:27 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. On November 05 2012 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 05 2012 08:56 debears wrote:On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? Why would you think that doesn't prove anything. I didn't know everyone got the VT role pm? This sounds like you knew that everyone did I didn't want to assume things. I didn't know that either but I had considered it much earlier. I noticed the OP is different from my PM role. Now, you're lieing. That's a claim It's safe to assume that since Townie isn't Townie, other roles have different names too, right?
On November 05 2012 23:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:45 debears wrote:
@clarity
I just thought over things. I'm dropping any pressure against you until i do more research I don't think forcing me to roleclaim during N1 is a good idea.
@ Clarity
Right now, Obzy, daoud and me want to lynch you. I guess it shouldn't be too difficult to convince sylverfyre to vote against you as well. I want you to roleclaim and to tell us what you did ask marv exactly.
I'm on Obzy side, I cannot believe that you could be something else than blue or red, given your experience in this game.
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@ Obzy
Why would you assume that Clarity is town ?
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EBWOP: DO NOT SHEEP, what if one of them is scum with Clarity and the other one is outright wrong !!!
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@ Rad
Did you see how he avoided to discuss with me after this post + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2012 17:29 Djodref wrote:
Wouldn't you mind to discuss what you have against me right now ?
I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time.
I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me.
I want your comment on this Rad. I don't think you gave it to me yet...
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On November 06 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:
@ Obzy
Why would you assume that Clarity is town ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=379514¤tpage=56#1116
I asked him a couple questions here and got responses that I liked. At the very least, I think that Sylver is also scum, and if people want to not lynch Clarity today, I am okay with that. I don't think there's particular value in lynching a specific scum above any other, [unless I get annoyed and act irrationally], so I want to be able to think of two people that I would be okay with lynching at any point, and keeping a third suspect in case I'm wrong. We can not do a double-lynch today, so voting Sylver is fine. If Clarity slips up or is the only viable candidate going into tomorrow, we'll see at that point.
If that makes any sense. ^^
On November 06 2012 11:20 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: DO NOT SHEEP, what if one of them is scum with Clarity and the other one is outright wrong !!!
- I don't think I'm sheeping in voting Sylver, but if I am, I apologize =l I think I'd pointed out that my expected scumteam was Clarity Sylver with Cheese on the side; Cheese turned out to be town, I'm assuming Clarity is town, that leaves Sylver?
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On November 06 2012 11:24 Djodref wrote:@ RadDid you see how he avoided to discuss with me after this post + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2012 17:29 Djodref wrote:
Wouldn't you mind to discuss what you have against me right now ?
I'm going to have to sleep before the deadline and I don't want to have to defend your case against me while waking up and catching the thread. Plus it's going to be likely that I need to decide my vote at this time so I would prefer to focus on analysis rather than defense at that time.
I find it odd that you don't want to go after Cheese as well. He should be looking quite scummy in your eyes right now because he didn't answer your question. Also, if I want to sum up his contribution so far, he is just tunneling me after an OMGUSy FoS on me. on page 31 ? I cannot believe that you don't see this as a big scumtell. Please note that I didn't request him to post his case, I just wanted us to discuss as we had both the time to do it. I want your comment on this Rad. I don't think you gave it to me yet...
@Djo
Why the bolded you? Are you implying "you (me), of all people, should be smart enough to see it"? Sounds like you're just trying to convince me by appealing to me.
Thanks <3 But I don't agree with you.
Concerning his case on you. First off, he just threatened it. He didn't wait until last second and post it before you had a chance to defend yourself. If he was town and was about to be lynched, it would make sense for him to then post a case he had against you before the lynch went through. The reason I was concerned at first and wanted him to post it was in the scenario of him posting it with just enough time for people to be convinced to jump ship to you (30m-1h?), but that didn't happen. Maybe he's scum, and maybe he would have done that if cheese didn't get himself killed, but that didn't happen so we can't read into it.
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On November 06 2012 11:15 Obzy wrote:
Hm. I think if you're banking on me upping my play and showing off hidden skills, you'll be disappointed.
I don't expect you to turn into a debears case making machine over night, or ever, you can have your own play style. Hell, I can't do that shit either, it tires me the hell out. I just expect some more edge. Blending doesn't help town, it's a scum move. Lead smaller cases, bring new points to the table, put yourself out there instead of playing it safe. That's all I ask if you're town.
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@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
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@Sylver
Why did you stay on cheese when you had a chance to vote on debears, who you thought was scummier?
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On November 06 2012 11:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. (1)Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
(2)My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious.
2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever)
As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy).
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On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game?
@ Rad
When did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it.
What did you think of it at that time ?
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On November 06 2012 12:07 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ RadWhen did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ?
I realized with this post:
On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote:
##Unvote
I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town.
I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was.
The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum?
Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper.
I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night.
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On November 06 2012 12:02 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 11:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. (1)Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
(2)My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious. How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ?
2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ?
As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy).
[b]@ Rad
My comments in bold font in your post.
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On November 06 2012 12:11 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:07 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ RadWhen did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ? I realized with this post: Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote:
##Unvote
I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town.
I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was.
The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum?
Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper. I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night.
@ Rad
Stop with the blue hunting bullshit. If you are cop and you had a green check on Clarity, you should tell us right now.
It's either that or you are scum with him. You are such an hypocrite in your defense of him !
I point you some points which show clearly anti-town behavior and you keep finding excuses for him.
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@ Rad
Sorry for the formatting, my points are relevant so I'm going to post them again.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious.[b]How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ?
2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ?
As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy).
My comments are in bold font in response to your previous post in defense of Clarity.
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On November 06 2012 12:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:02 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 11:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. (1)Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
(2)My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious. How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ? 2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ?As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy). @ RadMy comments in bold font in your post.
@Djo
There is only so much time in a day, and only so much time to be spent on TL mafia. He used some amount of time to put together a debears case, as well as some defending himself. I don't think we can read into it one way or the other (null for me). We have no idea if he's town without a lot of time or scum with plenty of time, or something inbetween.
Clarity was pretty much the go-to lynch for the day until cheese's claim. If I were a town clarity, I'd think I was going to survive a NK because I'm a good d2 lynch candidate.
Djo, if you want to convince me of a scum clarity, I need you to look elsewhere. I'm not convinced he's necessarily town, but all the arguments against him have been shit.
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@Djo
If you're going to respond to my already labeled #1 and #2 points next time, could you just put a #1 and #2 of your own? Thanks <3
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On November 06 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:11 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 12:07 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ RadWhen did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ? I realized with this post: On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote:
##Unvote
I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town.
I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was.
The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum?
Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper. I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night. @ RadStop with the blue hunting bullshit. If you are cop and you had a green check on Clarity, you should tell us right now. It's either that or you are scum with him. You are such an hypocrite in your defense of him ! I point you some points which show clearly anti-town behavior and you keep finding excuses for him.
@Djo
I'm not a cop. Why are you so intent on getting roles out of people?
You really come to the conclusion of "if you're not a cop, you're scumteam with clarity!"? I defend against stupid points, which is pretty much everything you have to say about him. Notice when you ask shit that at least doesn't have an obvious defense to, I let it go so I can see his response? Please spend your time finding valid points.
Also, stop blue hunting.
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