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Ok, just would like to say that I've been looking over Clarity and Djodref today.
I feel like Clarity has a good chance of being town. He tried to break up the fight between debears and Rad over the percentage, he made a case against debears at a time where I thought myself that debears might be scum. I don't get the feeling that he's only trying to stay consistent. If he was worried about that I don't think he would have jumped on Cheese for the claim as hard as he did. Since a scum Clarity would have known that Cheese was town, I'd be much more suspicious of him if he chickened out and voted debears in order to stay consistent. Instead he attacked Cheese pretty hard for claiming, something which was sure to bring him a lot of attention seeing as he would have known how the Cheese lynch would end.
I'm however not as sure about Djod. He's definitely acting like I would expect a town Djod to act(acting like Clarity has "lost" the game and should just reveal his partner and stuff like that definitely fits with town Djod from XXVIII. I also don't see why he would ask about scum mechanics(framer mechanics, specifically) out in the open if he was scum. Nor why he would attack Cheese(who a scum Djod would know was town) for joking.
All those things considered, I find most of his accusations to be really empty, like he's looking for "excuses" to attack someone, rather than actually considering their motives. He attacks sylver for vote pressuring, something which Cheese pointed out and that I commended him for, but I dismissed it later because I was thinking "nah, that's just Djod!". His case against Clarity then accuses clarity of blending in and not following up on his reads. Yet Clarity actually gave pretty convincing answers for why he hadn't done so. He kept saying he was going to make a case in the latter half of D1, he did. He had also stated that well before Djod made his case against him. The latter half of Djod's case against Clarity is seeing ghosts where there are none. He accuses Clarity of denying making a list but the post Djod quotes says nothing of the sort.
I'm suspecting maybe there's some confirmation bias shenanigans going on here, but I can see where Cheese was coming from with regards to how hard it is to read Djod. That being said, if there aren't any other scummy looking people tomorrow, Djod is looking like my vote is best placed for now.
I haven't yet looked into sylver very much since the beginning half of D1, but we have two days. I'm thinking I might need to look at Obzy next, or possibly Rad as I don't have much other than that I like their posting so far. And I'd also like it if da0ud answered my question from earlier today. With that, I feel like things need to start rolling again before I know for sure who I want to lynch tomorrow.
I'm off to sleep, although I can check in after I finish watching the DS9 episode I'm currently watching if anyone wants to know something.
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On November 06 2012 04:45 Obzy wrote:
It does.
I have a problem with mafia, in that I'm bad at detecting liars lol. I like assuming that everybody is being honest and telling the truth, and in a proper game, that's not possible. Your responses to me are answering my questions, which just makes me wonder if I'm asking the right questions, or if you're innocent and it's just shining through or something lol. The way you reacted to Cheese's statement feels.. legitimate? Upon rereading.
What do you think of Sylver? If you're still around.
For that matter, what does everyone think of Sylver?
Sylver is scummy as shit. He's flown under the radar. We should stop pushing clarity for now
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@djo
There can be nothing good to come of pushing clarity right now. Think of the pros and cons
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Scumslips in everyone of my posts? Exaggerate much?
Also, telling the blues how to play is fishy.
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On November 06 2012 08:29 sylverfyre wrote:
Scumslips in everyone of my posts? Exaggerate much?
Also, telling the blues how to play is fishy.
Mind telling me who you're talking about here?
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How have I flown under the radar? There's been pressure on me every minute since the game started (even before I made my first post debears called me out as "epic useless[ness]" even though the game had only been going a few hours.
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I was replying to clarity saying he could find scumslips in every post.
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Ah ok.
When have you seriously been a candidate for lynch? How active have you been?
In terms of lynch, you were never under real threat. In terms of activity, i believe you are among the bottom two/three (u, dau0d, and obsy)
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On November 03 2012 21:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Where did I make a list? Unless you're talking about my reads on everyone, which I don't see can ever be a bad thing.
You are the one who pointed out that it is a plurality lynch, and that we should not focus too deeply on a select few.
My "list" forces everyone to comment on it, and perhaps gain insight on others through my observations or sees a flaw in my logic and helps me out by pointing it out.
Yeah, I've read that lists are generally a mafia tell, or newbie town, but this is only the case if they do not contribute.
Are you saying that my post will not contribute?
@ Alsn
Please check his very post in response to my advice. If the part in bold is not denial, please tell me what do you think it is.
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@Djo
I'm going to make a more organized case on Sylver based on his d1 and n1 actions so far. I want you to honestly tell me if you find clarity still scummier than him then.
ok?
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Ok, I'll give my comments on your Sylver case. Remember that obvious scum is usually town...
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I'm very disappointed that no one have taken a look on the guy who provoked Cheese mislynch.
This is the first mention of Cheese in Alsn filter as far as I know.
Lynch - 10H -> no mention of Cheese
On November 05 2012 00:16 Alsn wrote:
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That being said, at the very least I have a good idea of what I need to be looking at today. Clarity, Djod, debears. I'm also going to look into sylver because I had some suspicions against him before I went to sleep but I must have missed whether or not he contradicted or reinforced those suspicions of mine when I just read through the thread.
Lynch - 4H -> starts to show attention to Cheese
On November 05 2012 05:25 Alsn wrote:
Actually, make that last post of mine @Cheese too.
And the best part is that, 2 hours later, Alsn came to us with a concise case which allows him to point Cheese as scum. Alsn shows confidence in his read of Cheese. The time it took to decide that Cheese was scum, the size of his post, the confidence he shows. All these points don't fir Alsn's town meta.
On November 05 2012 07:05 Alsn wrote:In fact, I'm inclined to vote Cheese over Clarity at this point as most likely to be scum. I still think there are good points made against clarity, but mostly they are inconsistencies or weird logic(such as the latest one pointed out by debears) and I don't think being inconsistent is necessarily a scum tell. Not keeping track of your own thoughts seems to me to be a town tell(since townies are not that concerned with keeping their story straight). Why I think Mr. Cheesecake is scum- For avoiding attention and skating by other than to discredit an attacker against himself.
- Stating again and again that Djodref is his top scum read, yet not even seeming remotely interested in pushing a Djod lynch.
- Being suggestive about other people's behaviour as scummy, yet not seeming to believe it himself.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
I think that he also uses double-standards while voting Cheese over Clarity. Cheese was more consistent than Clarity in his follow-ups and did not avoid discussion. For the rest of the points, they are common to both players.
- For avoiding attention and skating by other than to discredit an attacker against himself. Clarity let other people do the pressure on his read for him. Please remember that you have to establish your innocence as town. Why did he not do this ?
- Stating again and again that Djodref is his top scum read, yet not even seeming remotely interested in pushing a Djod lynch. Where is Clarity fucking case against me ?
- Being suggestive about other people's behaviour as scummy, yet not seeming to believe it himself. I have no example in mind right now, I'll try to find something
@ Alsn
Why Cheese over Clarity ?
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If Clarity claims tomorrow, this is going to be a fakeclaim
I'm 99% of this. If I die, I'll hope you understand that the claim is fake.
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Dandel Ion fakeclaim => never forget
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@djo
Regarding your dramatic statement "I'm very disappointed that no one have taken a look on the guy who provoked Cheese mislynch.". Alsn did not provoke the cheese mislynch. He did try to get him lynched, but he wasn't responsible for it. Cheese had no chance of being lynched until he claimed VT.
With that said, yes, I do think we need to take a closer look into alsn soon.
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On November 06 2012 07:03 Alsn wrote:
Ok, just would like to say that I've been looking over Clarity and Djodref today.
I feel like Clarity has a good chance of being town. He tried to break up the fight between debears and Rad over the percentage, he made a case against debears at a time where I thought myself that debears might be scum. I don't get the feeling that he's only trying to stay consistent. If he was worried about that I don't think he would have jumped on Cheese for the claim as hard as he did. Since a scum Clarity would have known that Cheese was town, I'd be much more suspicious of him if he chickened out and voted debears in order to stay consistent. Instead he attacked Cheese pretty hard for claiming, something which was sure to bring him a lot of attention seeing as he would have known how the Cheese lynch would end.
I'm however not as sure about Djod. He's definitely acting like I would expect a town Djod to act(acting like Clarity has "lost" the game and should just reveal his partner and stuff like that definitely fits with town Djod from XXVIII. I also don't see why he would ask about scum mechanics(framer mechanics, specifically) out in the open if he was scum. Nor why he would attack Cheese(who a scum Djod would know was town) for joking.
All those things considered, I find most of his accusations to be really empty, like he's looking for "excuses" to attack someone, rather than actually considering their motives. He attacks sylver for vote pressuring, something which Cheese pointed out and that I commended him for, but I dismissed it later because I was thinking "nah, that's just Djod!". His case against Clarity then accuses clarity of blending in and not following up on his reads. Yet Clarity actually gave pretty convincing answers for why he hadn't done so. He kept saying he was going to make a case in the latter half of D1, he did. He had also stated that well before Djod made his case against him. The latter half of Djod's case against Clarity is seeing ghosts where there are none. He accuses Clarity of denying making a list but the post Djod quotes says nothing of the sort.
I'm suspecting maybe there's some confirmation bias shenanigans going on here, but I can see where Cheese was coming from with regards to how hard it is to read Djod. That being said, if there aren't any other scummy looking people tomorrow, Djod is looking like my vote is best placed for now.
I haven't yet looked into sylver very much since the beginning half of D1, but we have two days. I'm thinking I might need to look at Obzy next, or possibly Rad as I don't have much other than that I like their posting so far. And I'd also like it if da0ud answered my question from earlier today. With that, I feel like things need to start rolling again before I know for sure who I want to lynch tomorrow.
I'm off to sleep, although I can check in after I finish watching the DS9 episode I'm currently watching if anyone wants to know something.
Catching up now. I will reply to your question, even though I actually did post the reasons earlier. Ill summarize it for you.
I like your thinking here. I would not excuse Clarity for his role claiming and potential PM to Marv before. But Djo seems still very scum to me. Maybe bussing his partner in crime.
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Ok, this was dramatic. He started the bandwagon at least ^^
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Day 2![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/35pgnw.jpg) How awfully inappropriate.
The remaining eight men contemplated what had gone before. A member of the porn brotherhood had sadly perished. They knew the ongoing task would not be easy, and they carefully considered their plans for the morrow. Further, they wondered who the very strange reporter was who seemed to enjoy intruding into their private lives in graphic detail. Hopefully, they thought, there would be more interesting news tomorrow, so they did not have to deal with intrusions into their personal porn time...
...meanwhile...
debears sat alone in his room. He was absolutely downcast that he had killed his fap-buddy, and he knew now that Mr. Cheesecake's intentions were pure; or free and porny, to put it another way.
The slice of cheesecake that had been Mr. Cheesecake's downfall (somewhat fittingly, I might say) sat on the table, taunting debears, but he could not bring himself to move it. It was a horrible, delicious memory of what had gone before.
There was nothing else to do - debears decided to remember his friend by fapping furiously through the night.
And boy, did he fap. Woman on woman, man on man, bear on chicken on wardrobe. You name it, he fapped to it.
Finally, as morning broke, debears climaxed for the last time. His body slumped, dehydrated and broken on his bed, a pale shadow of its former glory. With the sadness of his loss mixed with extreme exhaustion, debears no longer had the will to live, and he passed away silently, naked and limp.
debears, Regular Fapper, fapped himself to death!
It is now Day 2. You have about 48 hours to decide the lynch.
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On November 06 2012 09:59 Djodref wrote:
Ok, this was dramatic. He started the bandwagon at least ^^
No, cheese started the bandwagon with his claim. Alsn was coincidentally already for voting him. There was no one following a cheese bandwagon based on alsn's case.
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Wow scum, you couldn't read that debears was a VT? LOL. Why do you think he high fived cheese?
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