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also one of you better afk so I can replace. I love this cheesecake guy...but why did you have to bring up my fail TT | ||
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ill bbl with scumreads. ps I'm scared of djodref he plays amazing scum. | ||
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Thoughts so far: stfu about confidence holy shit. stfu about how hard it to post on the phone. just proofread. | ||
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I think we should lynch Daoud. He is posting just enough to be considered not a lurker. This level of activity is exactly what you want to lynch d1. He catches Djo in the classic "scumslip," which does not always indicate scum, but that's not important. "Why did you call me town djo?" Then he says oh there might be a sk I guess my point is invalid. Makes no sense. Bringing it up in the first place is a null tell, because it's an easy catch. But dropping it for such a stupid reason, that is scummy. This is his most significant post so far: On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote: Ebwop : sorry phone posting. Ill finsih the post : Deb and rad have been so active and poking at each otjers that they actually look very townie to me. Pushing ideas, bringing content, putting pressure. Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town. I totally hate the lurkers who actually do not post anything and hide to avoid potential suspicions. Id rather lynch lurking townie first day who doesn't help get info and push others to scumslip. If scum are among active player we will have time to hunt them down. They will contradict themselves. And we have semi lurkers like roco or blending ini. Which are pretty much as bad for town. I would like to put my vote on Ini at the moment cause roco seems like a total newbie trying to stand out. ##Vote Ini So he gives off some town reads. Djo is 90% town... what the fuck. I don't see how you can think that after playing last game with him. Asking open questions makes him 90% town? ok I totally hate the lurkers who actually do not post anything and hide to avoid potential suspicions. Id rather lynch lurking townie first day who doesn't help get info and push others to scumslip. This is such a weird time to talk about lurkers, unless he is giving that as his reason for voting Ini, but Ini isn't even close to the biggest lurker. So why is he voting for ini? 2 words: "Blending in." Sick case bro. ##vote da0ud | ||
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He seems much more careful about what he says this game than last game. Last games his posts were like WTF is this weird guy talking about. This game they look like he doesn't want to catch anyone's attention. Why we shouldn't lynch djodref today: He does look pretty scummy. But I don't see how anyone can have a lot of certainty in that read. Combination of high activity and low certainty means he should not lynch him. Also realize that djodref is in a position where he NEEDS to evolve his meta whether he is town or scum. His first game he played as a noob, understandable because it was his first game. His second game, he pretended to be a noob as a scum strat. I think showing that he is better than the newb he pretended to be last game would be the natural play for town djodref, and also scum djodref trying to appear as town djodref. Djo: who out of the active players seems scummiest to you? Also why did you bring up how you want to lynch a lurker without even trying to pressure your scumreads? | ||
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Djo does look scummy just from my first read through. I need to consider his case in more depth (planning on doing that after d1). I'm not sure he is a viable d1 lynch though. This is because 1 he is active, 2 he is trying to change his meta. There is a lot of uncertainty regarding him. @djodref On October 27 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote: @Kush Debears and Rad are looking quite ok. I'm leaning town for both of them. I'm waiting for Cheese to post what he has to say about me because I'm still null on him. I didn't like some posts from sylver but he had some nice reactions during our latest fight. I need some time to look at dandel. I didn't like the way he voted Inig, but he said he was not sure even. I would say sylver right now... But I've been spending too much time defending myself. I need to calm down and re-read some filters for a while. I didn't ask you for town reads. I asked you for scum reads. You soft defend sylver in the wishy washiest way possible ("he had some nice reactions") then you give him as your biggest scumread. Stop overdefending yourself. Start being helpful. | ||
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I will address stuff people want me to address later. I think get off work 1 hour before lynch. @daoud in our last game for part of the game you were hiking the himalayen mountains or some shit. I don't buy your excuse. are you 100% phone or do you also have computer access? | ||
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The cases against him: I think these are examples of mistakes that newbie townie could easily make. He is a null/town read atm. I don't want to lynch him. Consider this a soft defense. | ||
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And that was enough to drop it completely? This is weak even for daoud reasoning. I'm not saying the slip was a big deal, but daoud's reason for dropping it seems totally contrived. | ||
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On October 14 2012 15:58 da0ud wrote: Sorry just caught up on the chat and am currently hiking close to china border so poor network. One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy. I found more content on sand than on the lurker ON. And at the time I put my votes there was already 11 votes on san. I was following the crowd. Overnight the defense of Sand got pretty intense and sure would I have shifted my votes towards ON, not that it would have made a difference anyway. Even if it is not confirmed I am fairly sure Sand is town cause he put his votes on ON to go to the final which would not make sense for a scum to push another scum to face him in finals. At this stage I am pretty sure as well mementoss is scum. I already put it as second scum read from the round of 4 but now put him as top read. It will be pretty incomprehensible if you weren't in that game. But notice how freely he speaks his mind, even in difficult posting conditions. His early game posts that game were happy, jokey, and pretty random. | ||
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@Sylver: I fail to see daoud's "great content". Could you point that out to me? Also you shit on both bandwagons, which there is nothing wrong with, but you don't say who you want to lynch. That is a problem. There is less than 3 hours.left until lynch. What bandwagon do YOU think town should be riding? | ||
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I don't think we can read too much into his vote for dandel, esp not before we see someone flip. The choice is between 2 people. I want everyone to say which they want to lynch, if they haven't already, and say why. | ||
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Inig has contributed wayyy more. This is clear by sumply comparing their filters. I don't get your point about the survival instinct. Scum have a stronger survival instinct than town. So unless daoud is scum, it seems like it makes more sense for him to vote daoud if he's scum. | ||
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either 1.daoud is scum and he wants to protect his scumbud or 2.daoud is town and he wants.to get town points when hw flips is this what you guys are getting at? because I haven't seen someone explain why scum wouldn't vote daoud. | ||
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1 Lack of strong scumreads (especially early) 2 Multitude of half assed, inconclusive suspicions 3 Reliance on town reads I can see a first timer easily doing any of these things. Daoud: 1 Doesn't share his opinions or thoughts 2 Just enough activity to not be a lurker 3 Posts that have nothing to do with scumhunting 4 Nonsensical in his treatment of djodref's "scumslip | ||
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Also his whole thing about not trusting me because I seem like I know what I'm doing, that reeks of paranoid townie to me. | ||
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I stand by the lynch. I still don't think Ini was scum. We had a bunch of afks. We had no other good lynch candidate. So debears went onto the pony mafia thread after the flip and said On October 27 2012 09:50 debears wrote: LOL. I really need a breathe of fresh pony mafia air :D To me this an indirect but clear reference to this game, how he is upset over lynching a blue. I think there is the possibility for it to be genuine or a scum trick. So it leaves me with a null read. Then he pms me saying it's not related. @debears While this game is going on don't PM me or anyone in the game ever about anything. | ||
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Djo I have not really put a lot of time into reading the thread and looking at filters, but my primary suspect just from preliminary observations is you. I think your indecision at lynch time is a huge scumtell. It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. If you were town, and you really thought that none of them were scum, you would have tried to push someone who you actually thought was scum. But you did nothing except ask sylver endless questions with really no point to them. | ||
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And also his little stunt in the pony thread could be something to try to convince people following that thread that he is town. (I actually did this when I got mafia several games ago) | ||
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you're being dumb | ||
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People theorizing scumteams are being dumb. There I said it again. And that makes me scum ?? lol It's a well known tenant of forum mafia that you don't theorize scumteams before one of them flips (unless you are at the very end of the game) | ||
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If you want me to address all these questions you need to put them in one post. I will respond to anything. @Debears.. I don't know your meta at all. The one game I played with you I was lynched d1 and I have no idea what you played like. I did not follow that game. The other game you were like an insignificant little bug, much like you are now, except now you are louder. So I also don't remember your play except that it wasn't memorable. | ||
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Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion. I hope it keeps me from getting nk. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:03 Dandel Ion wrote: So you're saying, his meta is actually the same to you? After you tried to make it out as if there was some huge meta divergence? Right. I call Bullshit, Kushyboy. I'm trying to say I am totally unfamiliar with his meta because I don't remember it from the one game I played with him. And the other I was out so quick. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:04 debears wrote: Wowwowowowowo. Kush mentioning not getting nked again. Did it his last two newbies as scum. I mention NK in town games too. It's a null tell IMO. | ||
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I didn't mention it in looney. I did mention it in LC. djo is scum btw guys | ||
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Also I want scumreads from all the people who were not able to participate d1. | ||
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#1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will. #2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again. I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2. And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT On October 28 2012 01:43 Djodref wrote: Also if anyone has some questions regarding my case, it might be a good time to discuss about it now So if you have some points against me that you feel that I didn't correctly addressed, I have a feeling that you guys are considering defense as important as scumhunting so I'm willing to defend myself as much as I can now. @ Kush I'm not totally sold on you being scum right now: there is still a possibility for you to be town in my opinion. @ everyone I would recommend everyone to be wary because it could be very easy for mafia to mislynch Kush right now if he is town. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I was mafia in my last game and we benefited from the greatest mislynch ever on D2 because nobody took the time to think about the lynch twice. | ||
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Town read on debears Will be back with other scumreads. My scumslip people are talking about what's a scumslip. I think Inig is town. I think djo was acting like he knew inig was town and also knew daoud was town. I would be pretty surprised if inig's performance is a first time mafia. | ||
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Well he was asking for it number 1. We had no better lynch number 2. We had a pretty bad d1 with a lot of wasted talk about confidence and debear's dickmeasuring contest. I think what happened was the top 2 bandwagons were both town, so scum was just like LOL easy day. | ||
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In other I was dead within hours basically lol. | ||
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sylverfire: a lot of words, very little content roco: why didn't this guy get modkilled... did he even vote? nacht: where's the scumreads? Are you reading d1 or what? | ||
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On October 28 2012 03:56 Dandel Ion wrote: What? He played an ENTIRE game, with debears IN his scumteam, both surviving the whole game. And you just believe him, because .... Hell, I don't know why you would. You sure as hell didn't say. Really... I did?? wtf | ||
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I didn't even realize that that was him. He played like 100% different that game is probably why I didn't connect him with his name. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:12 Rad wrote: @kush You /obs and then drop /obs JUST in case you get the chance to replace someone. You've replaced someone. You're in! You can talk to mr. cheesecake now! Why haven't you said one thing to him or about him yet? The only reason I would talk to someone is if they ask me a question or if I think they are scum. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:16 Rad wrote: But you /obs'd, and then asked to be removed for the sole reason of wanting to play with mr. cheesecake. It makes no sense that you wouldn't at the very lease say something to him when you finally get the chance to play the game for the sole reason you wanted to play the game. It was not for the SOLE reason of playing with mr cheesecake. And yes it makes perfect sense that I didn't say anything to him because I had nothing to say. I didn't want to clutter the thread with stuff that wasn't contributing. Also what would I say? Hey cheesecake I like your name still? | ||
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On October 27 2012 01:13 debears wrote: @Djo On Alsn The main part of Alsn's case is his meta and his FOS on you. In terms of meta, Alsn has not been fitting his activity and involvement of the last game when he was town. However, he has stated suitable IRL reasons and has recently picked up his activity level with his active discussion with others. Right now, his meta is a null tell. Then, with the FOS. I believe his FOS was suitable. He was wishy washy quite a bit last game. It seems to me more indicative of his looking at both sides of the motivation behind posts. Alsn is a null read right now. I expect him to pick up his activity level day 2. If he doesn't, then we can do something about it. Lynching him today is a poor option. No he didn't, unless it was in your scum qt. | ||
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It wasn't the sole reason.. I dropped out of obs because I realized I probably couldn't replace if I was in obs. Can you imagine if I can into the thread and was like yo cheese be more funny. That would be a complete waste of space. You are doing the scumteam thing again... just stop. Also you are wifoming really hard. Your case isn't just bad. It's super amazingly EPICALLY bad. I have never seen a case this bad actually. Well done. | ||
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Did not realize about masons.. I will drop it. | ||
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Am I your top scumread also who else? | ||
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I actually remember the game very well, I just forgot that the guy I was scum with was debears. You can see he acts liek 10000000 percent different. It was his first game so that's understandable. | ||
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On October 28 2012 08:02 Rad wrote: Ahh yeah, I see. @Kush, why wouldn't debears make a good coach? Because only experienced people should be coaches? Also at that point I'm pretty sure I didn't realize he was my scumbud from 2 games ago or else I wouldn't have acted like a dick towards him. | ||
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Oooo i just see that cheese posted a case. I will read that and consider it after I write this case on my new biggest scumread SILVERFYRE He votes for Roco 30 hours before lynch time. Except for lurker policy he says this: On October 25 2012 13:47 sylverfyre wrote: Also geez, as much as I like lynch a Lurker... isn't it a bit early? We're like 10% into day 1! If someone's still lurking when we're getting closer to lynch time, I could be convinced, but I feel like policy lynching lurkers should be something to resort to if we can't find anyone else being sketchy. With that, I'm going to bed. I'll be around most of tomorrow! So to clarify, he thinks lurker lynching should be a last resort (like everyone else basically), but he votes for a lurker 30 hours before lynch time. On October 26 2012 21:35 sylverfyre wrote: Running under the assumption that imcasey and Roco get modkilled if they don't show up, I'd lynch Djo. You say Inig has a lack of scumhunting but scrutinizing people and saying that you can only read town out of them is not a lack of scumhunting. For now, I'm going with lynching the confusing lurker. If he either becomes A) not confusing, B) makes no action at all and makes me believe a modkill is incoming, or C) is replaced and the replacement can make some contribution. Vote Roco69 No reasoning for wanting to lynch djo. All he gives is a reason for his town/null read on Inig. Later when prompted, he does give his reasons. On October 27 2012 00:24 sylverfyre wrote: To make it a more comprehensive list - poor responses to accusations in the past - "You sure are taking policy seriously" -> Attack lurkers aggressively (the contradiction inherent here) - accusing ini of "not scumhunting" when he posted his reads on people, simply because none of those reads were reads of scum (they were townie or null reads, and ini blatantly admitted such) - Emotional levels running awfully high as people mount pressure on you, but not much defense from accusations. - "I don't care if alsn has a FOS on me" is your only defense against him for a long time. Only just now did you even acknowledge his accusations as legit. - Accusing me of sheeping when I've made it clear that I was suspicious of you pretty early. Since then, you've given me more reasons to suspect you. I don't like this case. None of these are indicative of scum. | ||
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