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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 26 2012 23:36 GMT
#661
@ Ini

What do you think of Cheese right now ?
Why did you claim ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 26 2012 23:37 GMT
#662
@Inig

Why are you so calm about the idea of being lynched ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#663
I'll vote you or not depending on your answers.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 26 2012 23:38 GMT
#664
@kush

On inig
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16694076
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#665
On October 27 2012 08:31 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay I just got back, and will be here pre and post lynch.

My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig.

On Inig:

Honestly, I have no idea why people suddenly started piling on top of him. I found him -slightly- suspicious after his emotional outburst and semi-lurking. However, since then he has been asking questions (to myself included) and improving his post count. The cases against him are weak, imo. I've read through them I don't see much of a reason to lynch him. His vote on Imcasey I don't view as scum-intentioned; it was an attempt to draw out the lurker. I don't think scum would be that bold, because a vote like that would (and surely did) draw attention. That is not at all blending in.

His recent vote on Dandel, however, doesn't make sense from any role viewpoint I think, so I don't know what to think about that. I'll be reading more into his posts about Dandel later.

On Da0ud:


I skimmed through the cases concerning him, and by my own standards think he is more scummy-looking than Inig.

In particular, this post about the modkill.

On October 26 2012 23:07 da0ud wrote:
One thing worries me and seems to have caught no ones attention.
Clarity has been modkilled!! We are already one less town!! And he was posting actual content.


We all saw the modkill. This isn't contributing anything. Why talk about it? A townie died, there's nothing we can do about it, especially since he basically suicided. This is a useless topic.

Then, there is the entire percentage-based town read on Djo. I believe Kush mentioned this. 90% town on the first day? I most surely don't see it that way, and a 90% town read based on little concrete evidence? I don't get it.

In addition, he's a semi-lurker / blending in.

There is also an entire meta-arguement against him as well. I cannot address this as I know nothing of his previous game meta.

This being said, I find Da0ud to be much more scummier than Inig.

##Vote: Da0ud

I apologize for not being here sooner and for this post being somewhat rushed; I had a personal matter to attend to that required my immediate assistance.


Really? The cases against inig are bad? When have you even addressed the inig cases?

And how are the cases weak when you're accusing dauod of the same?


I never said the cases were bad; don't twist my words. I said they were weak from my point of view. You made a case against Inig, yes? The only thing I found relevant was his post that spread suspicion on multiple people but only followed up on Dandel. You referenced the post that Inig made against me, which I thought was a decent attempt to get answers for things he deemed odd.

What am I accusing Da0ud of thats the same as Inig, Debears?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 23:43:08
October 26 2012 23:42 GMT
#666
Vote Count!

If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote.


da0ud (6) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears

Not Voting (3) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref

Currently, da0ud is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 20 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Inigmaticalism
Profile Joined May 2012
United States103 Posts
October 26 2012 23:42 GMT
#667
I think cheese is very neutral leaning on the town side, and very logical. Or very crafty mafia. Let me go read his filter. So I can stop guessing.

Well, I would rather not claim or wait as long as possible because I think it makes the game more interesting from a generic standpoint. I claimed because I felt I had done a poor job with my initial posts, to both defend myself and give some security to town. I felt even while defending myself that I was defending a little more than I needed to, but hey too much cant hurt. If I did defend too much/strong for the pokes at me then ok, knowing the right amount to do something is something only experience can grant me.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 26 2012 23:46 GMT
#668
Bad word choice on my part. Bad = weak in my post.

And the same points on inig and dauod.
1) semi lurker
2) town reads/ percent town reads
3) generally blending in

Give me
Inigmaticalism
Profile Joined May 2012
United States103 Posts
October 26 2012 23:47 GMT
#669
I find Mr CCs response to my questions fine and satisfactory:
On October 26 2012 23:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

@ Inig
I understand your concerns with this post, and I address them in bold.
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 16:35 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Also, I now have some suspicion on Cheesecake. I like pretty much every post hes given actually, except this one:
On October 26 2012 08:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM.
So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless.

I'm not sure how to comprehend this answer. Inig is obviously very distressed, as he's discrediting everything by calling it blatantly "stupid and pointless". Either he doesn't know how to form a coherent response to an accusation or is cracking under pressure.

I don't like the response at all. With him going afk after this, I'm beginning to get suspicious of him.



Oh ya and look cheese also calls me out about being emotional and freaking out in thread. His arguments good too, although I wish he put in a 'outside mafia influences' reason as well, but thats fine. I actually have found cheese to be more likely town than I said djo was, so this is why I called this out.
-This point is not doing anything other than saying he read it. Like my earlier posts, it doesnt really contribute at all, doesnt really push me either except in the most indirect of ways. This was simply something I noticed. I read that post and went "wow" due to your emotive state. It came off as suspicious to me, as it didn't seem like you could form a decent sentence in your defense.
-The 'Im beginning to get suspicious of" me. Ive re-read my own filter. Cheese you should already be suspicious of me, not beginning to be. Ive barely been pro-town at all. I wasn't very suspicious of you at the time, for the same reasons I wasn't suspicious of Rad; too little posts, too little content. The only other thing that sent lights off in my head was you "only having town reads". This was the tipping point where you become null, to becoming slightly scum orientated in my mind.
-While those points are fun and are probably included in numerous posts in this game, I call it out because it seems like Cheese is simply trying to look good by joining a case that had potential to go somewhere (and so far has). I think what Im trying to say is that I read it and then after re-reading it I realized it had 0 content, but it looked like it did. No treally a scum-tell, but I guess I saw it because it seemed different than his other posts.The only other person who had even mentioned that post was Djodref, but he had not focused in on your "rage quit" scenario. In the context of the thread, I was the first person to point it out. I believe it was worthy of mention as it stuck out so blatantly to me.




@ Djo
Im calm about being lynched because its expected with me being gone so much, Im town but not a blue role, and Im actually calmed down right now (and when I posted that).
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 26 2012 23:50 GMT
#670
So to summarize the case against inig:
1 Lack of strong scumreads (especially early)
2 Multitude of half assed, inconclusive suspicions
3 Reliance on town reads
I can see a first timer easily doing any of these things.

Daoud:
1 Doesn't share his opinions or thoughts
2 Just enough activity to not be a lurker
3 Posts that have nothing to do with scumhunting
4 Nonsensical in his treatment of djodref's "scumslip
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 26 2012 23:53 GMT
#671
what's your vote Djo? It's that time...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 26 2012 23:53 GMT
#672
ok, I'm really doubting my previous case against you. And you are actually trying to participate.
I don't want to lynch you today.

Problem is I don't want to lynch daoud neither.

What should I do ?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 26 2012 23:55 GMT
#673
On October 27 2012 08:53 Djodref wrote:
ok, I'm really doubting my previous case against you. And you are actually trying to participate.
I don't want to lynch you today.

Problem is I don't want to lynch daoud neither.

What should I do ?

Vote somebody to not get modkilled would be a good start.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#674
## Vote daoud

Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far...
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#675
On October 27 2012 08:46 debears wrote:
Bad word choice on my part. Bad = weak in my post.

And the same points on inig and dauod.
1) semi lurker
2) town reads/ percent town reads
3) generally blending in

Give me


Allow me to ameliorate for you, sir.

1.) Inig was a semi lurker to begin with. As of late, he has been posting more and with greater content. Da0ud, on the other hand, has contributed much less and is still lurking.

2.) Let's look at both of their percentage town reads.
Inigs:
On October 26 2012 16:17 Inigmaticalism wrote:
I would label Djo as like 70% town. Hes been consistent and contributing. I think hes gone after me too long to be mafia. He has talked an awful lot though. Its probably more likely, with all his questions and style of scumhunting, thats hes a vigi or SK or something like that, seeing who he can get lynched (who he thinks is scum if hes vigi, etc), and then who he cant hes found his night targets. Just a thought.


Da0ud's:
On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote:
Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town.


Inig has more reason for considering Djo town, and puts it at 70% (leaning town). He says he's been consistent, obviously posting alot, and going after him of all people. He likes this, and even offers some counter-roles that he could be instead of mafia.

Da0ud on the other hand only says "hey, he's asking questions, must be 90% (almost definitely town)" I find Da0uds reasons for thinking Djo town less plausible than Inigs, and he almost considers him town.

3.) Inig has been more distinguished in asking questions / contributing. His theory on Dandel is intriguing and unique, and something I may want to follow up on in the future. His vote of imcasey and Dandel is anything BUT blending in.

But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 26 2012 23:56 GMT
#676
Kush

He also called djo town while also calling him sk.
Voting imcasy for no reason at the end of a case on dandel.

How much does there have to be for you to see it? You even called your case not that strong
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 23:57:33
October 26 2012 23:57 GMT
#677
Vote Count!

If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote.


da0ud (7) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears

Not Voting (2) - imcasey, Roco69

Currently, da0ud is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 3 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#678
@debears He said he might be sk or vig. Just wild speculation..not especially scum like.

Also his whole thing about not trusting me because I seem like I know what I'm doing, that reeks of paranoid townie to me.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#679
Cheese

Reread that statement inig made. Notice how he says djo is more likelh sk? Where does that clme from?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 27 2012 00:00 GMT
#680
Time's up, no more posting until the Night Post goes up.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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