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On November 02 2012 00:54 debears wrote:
@Alsn
What in the hell do you expect? You live in Sweden. Nackht lives in Germany. There are two fucking mega lurkers (one's acting confused and the other won't talk. Dandel had some fucking thing to do. And Cheese had something to do with classes (right?).
It's timezones + IRL
My schedule is fucking rough, but I manage to read and post when I can. Why are you assuming that everyone has bunches of time to spend on this game to be active when you are? I was asleep + away for twelve hours? My point was that if people wanted to comment on our conversation, there was ample time. Instead pretty much the only thing you guys said was that he's UberNinja and that you would read filters. Yes, lurking may be even more detrimental, but seeing as you guys actually did have time to post, I can at least call you out for seemingly not caring.
Look, I'm just as pissed that no one else is saying anything either, but what the fuck am I supposed to do at this point? All I can do is try the best I can and hope to fuck that people actually listen to me.
And if you guys are both town and the amount of work you put in at this point amount to what I consider to be almost nothing, what hope do I have? All things considered I'm still in favour of lynching Roco the lurker, for obvious reasons, because I have to assume that he's the scummiest of all. I think I've been pretty clear about that.
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On November 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:
EBWOP
You find 5 people scummy. Unless there are 5 scum, that's not very helpful Wow, thanks for stating the obvious. But at this point all the people who are active are not exactly shining examples of perfect townieness. So I have to consider the possibility that they are scum, yet at the same time the lurking at this point has reached heights that Everest can only dream of, so I need to consider them scum too. I've made myself pretty clear that I have a "top" scum, and that's Roco. How is that not helpful if I consider a lot of people scummy? I've chosen who I actually consider the likeliest candidate.
Yet the rest of you six geniuses have yet to even vote. That's massively helpful indeed.
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On November 02 2012 01:04 debears wrote:
No. That's bullshit. Just because I'm not here all active like you during the day cuz of classes and baseball doesn't mean I'm not putting in work. I've been looking through filters actually trying to figure this out when I can
Oh yeah and did you forget last night was fucking Halloween? It's not bullshit. Everyone in the god damn thread has stated reasons for why they can't play, so I should excuse them all? Cheese is in the middle of a hurricane, nackh says he just doesn't have the time to read this long of a thread(suggesting he also is busy with IRL), you are always away on practice or classes or what have you, Inig say's that he's massively overwhelmed and just can't participate, roco, well, there we have at least one person who doesn't have an excuse.
For all I know, cheese might live on the west coast and is one hundred percent bullshitting about the hurricane. What am I supposed to think when fucking everyone has an excuse?
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Oh and how can I forget Dandel's mom's birthday + halloween party. Again, perfect alibi considering he stated it pre-game, yet what am I supposed to think?
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I guess you haven't really looked too closely as to what has been going on while you were gone, but I did get the impression that nackh is at the very least trying to play the game. Or to use your words, at least "pretends to do shit". He's been pretty outspoken about me, cheese and you being scum. However, he has yet to put his vote where his mouth is and still hasn't explained what his point was with putting focus on the fact that Inig participated in the SK discussion of Djod really means.
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Let me get this straight, you've concluded Dandel is scum because you've looked for reasons why his town story might actually check out and you haven't found anything? Or what?
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I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco?
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The power isn't going to run out. I live in about the least storm prone area on the fucking planet. I think I've experienced maybe 1 hour of power outage combined in my entire lifetime. Don't you try and stress me.
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On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon.Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again. And there's exactly one thing that you could base an exonerating assumption on. The fact that his voting record so far has avoided lynching any townies. However, that also includes the fact that he did not vote D1. I guess I could speculate about him being allowed to continue in the game because the hosts are pitying us due to not wanting to modkill two townies D1.
Well fuck it, you're right, I can't really say that he's scum. I guess gambling on the fact that he truly is reading the thread and is genuinely voting what he considers the scummiest people is about as good a gamble as anything at this point. I refuse to be held responsible for this clusterfuck if he does turn out to be scum however.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dandel Ion
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On November 02 2012 03:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon. Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again. So you're saying roco, who is the essence of hardcore lurking (an optimal scum strategy btw) is the most town by purposely not contributing? Seriously, your opinions on scum strategies have been extremely lacking this game. Hardcore lurking an optimal scum strategy? How can you possibly conclude that? If only one person is lurking, he would seem extremely suspicious. If everyone is lurking, the lynches are decided by random chance. Most mafia games tend to be balanced on that the probabilities of winning through random chance are somewhat close to 50/50 for either alignment. So saying hardcore lurking is "optimal mafia" strategy is ludicrous.
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I find your usage of the word optimal to be extremely lacking, but all right. At least the fact that people have started voting is somewhat positive.
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On November 02 2012 03:56 nackhtjogger wrote:
Debears would you be so kind as to spell out his complete name please? We don't want any formating fuckups do we? As far as I know as long as the vote is in bold and includes "##vote", it counts. Dandel's votes during D2 all counted even though he kept writing "##Vote: Inig" or "##Vote Djo" and such.
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But yea, the OP states: Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion may not be counted. Vote counts will be updated whenever intermittently.
So if we want to be picky, that's a capital V, a colon after Vote, and the full name with I assume proper capitalization. The history of newbie mafias on this forum is pretty forgiving on vote formatting though, so it's not a major concern I'd say.
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I'm anxiously awaiting his rationalisation for it if nothing else.
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I've looked over your case, and while I don't necessarily disagree that Inig does look scummy, something else sticks out much more to me. What I find interesting is that you're trying to dismiss the massive amount of discussion we've had with regards to Dandel as if it was entirely based on the unlikelihood of four blues?
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So how do you explain Inig's scum motivation for voting you over Djod during D2? Or for that matter just staying on Dandel? I've been pretty critical of Inig haters from the get go, the entire Inig thing smells way too much like scum picking on a newbie to me. If I'm going to vote for someone just because they seem to be playing badly, I will not budge on the fact that I want Roco lynched over Inig. Pretty much every single scummy thing I've seen Inig do smells of newbie town.
The only people I can actually trust had pure intentions at heart at this point are the dead townies, and most of them seemed convinced that Inig was just a bad townie rather than scum(Djod and also kush if I'm not misremembering). Sure, they don't actually know any better than I do if Inig is town or not, but at the very least they do not have scum motivations for their opinions.
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EBWOP: My first two questions are weirdly worded. What I mean is, what is the scum motivation for Inig voting you and drawing massive scrutiny on himself, as opposed to just sitting on his vote for Dandel(who he had maintained from very early he thought was scum).
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Seriously Inig, what are you hoping to accomplish with the Cheese vote? Tell me why you wouldn't vote for Dandel at this point.
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