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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#1761
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Because as a vet you don't claim it as losing your life early in the game. Why? It discourages mafia from shooting you again. If I say "hey my extra night life is gone" they will just shoot me again. Town is unlikely to believe it regardless as the vet role is one mafia love to blend in using.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#1762
EBWOP

It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:17 GMT
#1763
On October 09 2012 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
EBWOP

It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal.


Except you did that for them with the claim by thanking a magical medic - you wanted them to specifically think that you were medic protected. Why?
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:18 GMT
#1764
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:18 GMT
#1765
BTW I'm not trying to make this into "a big deal"...I'm trying to discern the truth from the lies from the gray area in-between.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:22 GMT
#1766
On October 09 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
EBWOP

It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal.


Except you did that for them with the claim by thanking a magical medic - you wanted them to specifically think that you were medic protected. Why?


Disagree. If you notice day 2 there was at least one person who believed the possibility of over 2 medics was near nil. Mafia will likely think the same thing. It puts them at a disadvantage because they need to spend time figuring it out. This is pretty standard play when you take a hit.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 08 2012 21:23 GMT
#1767
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:24 GMT
#1768
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:30 GMT
#1769
also note how hard i question BC right after medic claim because it was untrue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 08 2012 21:33 GMT
#1770
sorry bc i dont buy it
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 21:36 GMT
#1771
I may or may not buy it - but I think BC is not tomorrow's lynch.

I prefer Kush.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:42 GMT
#1772
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 08 2012 21:42 GMT
#1773
On October 09 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I may or may not buy it - but I think BC is not tomorrow's lynch.

I prefer Kush.


I actually have to agree with the bolded. Assuming Mementoss is telling the truth Scum tried to kill BC, ergo BC is not scum. He is either Vet or SK/3rd party/whatever. I would prefer to lynch scum, especially since I'm not totally confidant that 3rd party has night kills and if he doesn't than all the better for us, when it gets to super late game and getting the 3rd party really matters we can reconsider BC. Or, if it seems like 3rd party does have night kills we can go looking again.

I prefer a risk lynch tomorrow.
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:43 GMT
#1774
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 08 2012 21:43 GMT
#1775
bc are you saying mementoss is scum?
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:45 GMT
#1776
I would also like to see the ton of heat, people seemed to be ignoring me, I wasn't putting in much effort and just getting watches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:47 GMT
#1777
On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.


Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched.
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#1778
On October 09 2012 06:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.


Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched.


Because you almost always die on day 1? Gives you a cop-out for everyone that says day 3, BC not dead he must be scum, you can just say you got hit they scared of it not going through again or some shit. You could be vet, but lieing about being medic'd when there was already a couple medics claimed made no sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#1779
On October 09 2012 06:43 Coagulation wrote:
bc are you saying mementoss is scum?


its certainly possible given two known mafia have attempted to get me lynched on the same response. He claims a flipped role, and his watch just happens to include a dead scum, and his second check turns up notta. The timing is odd given that I had called him out yesterday for shitty behaviour and likely being scum. Does this mean he 100% is? No, but the time of his claim is weird as shite, even you should see that.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:52 GMT
#1780
On October 09 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.


Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched.


Because you almost always die on day 1? Gives you a cop-out for everyone that says day 3, BC not dead he must be scum, you can just say you got hit they scared of it not going through again or some shit. You could be vet, but lieing about being medic'd when there was already a couple medics claimed made no sense.


Why? At the time of my claim we had 1 outed medic who was also dead. I would also highly suspect I was given my role because I am so frequently killed day 1 / night 1. Playing the way I did is optimal play in the situation. It was day 2 start, not day 4 or 5 when both town and mafia will have an idea of exactly what roles are floating around.
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