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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#1741
yet
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 08 2012 20:28 GMT
#1742
On October 08 2012 20:24 Kreb wrote:
Im gonna drop all my reasons to vote VE in one big post before this night so its out there should I die. Considering you all seem to be very reluctant to throw suspicions my way (awww <3) I think I might be considered a target by mafia at least. That, however, is not something I'd like to do at work though. =)

But hey, we can always hope we get another Paramedic self-kill!

Really? You want a paramedic to die again. I hope not and I doubt town would survive that happening. Too many people are doing nothing because the lynch is a forgone conclusion; BC thinks town is in a good position and he would be right if the remaining players were promoting a good town atmosphere but they really aren't.

On October 09 2012 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:01 BroodKingEXE wrote:
EBWOP: Never mind about the second question I see why.

i dont see why?


Killing the SK removes KP which (in this situation) it would be optimal to use against town. Also we have to lynch him eventually, literally have to.

Mementoss: Hapa/Node was not a mafia vig. He was a goon carrying out the NK. Can you elaborate on your role changing? What was it before the clues were removed? Since you are a likely NK please share your scum reads with us before the deadline, that is who do you think is scum besides Kush. Thank you.

On October 09 2012 03:08 Mattchew wrote:
hey guys sorry i missed the last 2 days. was away from home all weekend

So, how is HOTS? And what the hell are any of your reads. About anything.

Is Matt still in this game or is he going to be modkilled?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 08 2012 20:31 GMT
#1743
On October 09 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
lynch bc. I dont feel kush is scum.


Why. THIS. WHY? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!


well kush is buddying up to me a bit and i dont see any incentive for scum to do that.... considering how easy of a mislynch i can be
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
October 08 2012 20:35 GMT
#1744
Do not not discuss any changes (fake or real) that were made to roles as a result of clues being removed.

Mattchew is still in this game. Save discussion of modkills/replacements for after the game.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:36:45
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1745

Changed to watcher.

Node carrying out KP instead of being vig is the same situation. He visited BC and tried to kill him, but couldn't. Since no one else visited him he was not medic'd. He lied about medic. Only possible way he isn't SK is if you believe he is Veteran before the role was removed from the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1746
can i edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1747
yes
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1748
i edited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 08 2012 20:38 GMT
#1749
Meh, some people already read it, so its kind of pointless to edit it now :o
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 08 2012 20:38 GMT
#1750
I do not agree with VEs doubt that momentoss might be scum.
I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory.

So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 08 2012 20:54 GMT
#1751
Why do you believe the third party is sk?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 08 2012 20:54 GMT
#1752
On October 09 2012 05:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I do not agree with VEs doubt that momentoss might be scum.
I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory.

So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool.


I never said I thought mementoss is scum. I said he might be scum. And he might be.

My position was actually that I lean toward believing his claim, based on the preamble of "suboptimal play inc". But you know, feel free to continue to misrepresent my position in a horribly scummy manner. It will make it that much easier to lynch you in the days to come.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 08 2012 21:04 GMT
#1753
On October 09 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote:
Why do you believe the third party is sk?


So you are suggesting that he is a third party who can't kp and his only power is to survive kps?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 08 2012 21:04 GMT
#1754
On October 09 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:
Meh, some people already read it, so its kind of pointless to edit it now :o

Bah, I missed it. Is that all you want to add though, really?

On October 09 2012 05:54 risk.nuke wrote:
Why do you believe the third party is sk?

If the 3rd party was a survivor it would be better for him to claim the role and let everyone leave him alone.
DrH says
This game will consist of a town, mafia and a single third party player. The third party player winning will not end the game unless he meets a more difficult and specific condition.
If there was a way for him to win without ending the game he could ally himself with town, share his wincon and work towards a victory where he is not killed.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:04 GMT
#1755
On October 09 2012 04:35 Mementoss wrote:
I am the Medical Examiner aka, I am the watcher, after clues got taken away my role was changed.

Breadcrumb, the only breadcrumb would be I changed my quote to "mommy whats a gravedigger" cause I imagined the medical examiner digging up dead people to examine them. The other would be how I exchanged words with BC after he claimed he was shot.

Okay to the more juicy stuff.

Night 1:

I watched BC, BC was visited by Node(Hapa) or the mafia vigilante. So he did not lie about the shot. However, he did lie about being medic protected.

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


Why do you think marv shot you?


I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic.



Why would town lie about this? I can't think of motivation. The only reason BC would lie about this would be because he wanted to make scum think there was a medic saving his ass. Actually, the only possible way BC is town is if he is veteran, I don't see why he would lie about this as town, and just say hai guys I was shot, but I was veteran so give me some protection tonight. However, I doubt Blackmamba would take out the veteran role after one of the vets already lost his life. Also, given the fact that Mafia didn't try to shoot him again makes me 95% sure BC is the 3rd Party Night Immue Serial Killer.

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??


Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig)

We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv.

We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think.


This quote also seems like he knows a bit too much, it implies that third party has some kp since no one is claiming vig.

I would 100% lynch BC tomorrow because of this lie.

That brings me to my next point. Mafia knew BC was third party after night 1.

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Guys guys guys.

Don't lynch BC - he's a 3rd Party Role


Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 08 2012 09:09 Coagulation wrote:
How the fuck do you know hes third party?


On October 05 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
Seriously guys, BloodyC0bbler. I expect specific thanks from all of you later in the game.


It's actually really obvious.


Last minute ploys by dead mafia players to get the lynch on the third party to try and save members of their team or just to put WIFOM not to kill BC. We can use this now known knowledge to our advantage. Anyone who has been pushing BC hard after night 1 without much reason, or seems like they know too much, is scum. They are scum looking for some town cred for leading a lynch on anti town.

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2012 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum.
these are my current thoughts.
##unfos coag
Case later.


This post rubbed me the wrong way. BC is scum because he lied about getting shot, yet kushm4ster has no evidence to prove BC lieing about being shot. He is using this as his only reasoning. Also Marv, hard defended this guy, almost single handedly getting a wagon off him with a meta case.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
kush as townie:

On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu.


Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check
Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check


Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.



I could see kushm4sta as scum.

Night 2:

I watched sloosh and nothing happened.

I wish the night deadline was earlier so I could do this last minute and get one last watch. But hopefully this will prove to be useful. Since I was shit all game and I'm sorry lol.

But yeah look back after night 1/2 and see people that seemed to have a switch of thoughts on BC or knew too much. Because scum knew BC was 3rd party pretty early. I wish I could be more helpful but I haven't been doing enough reading into the game.

I would say lynch BC > lynch kushm4ster

TLDR;

BloodyC0bbler
kushm4stap



You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 08 2012 21:07 GMT
#1756
On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.

Err, what?

What kind of watcher is a watcher AND a tracker?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 08 2012 21:09 GMT
#1757
On October 09 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.

Err, what?

What kind of watcher is a watcher AND a tracker?


Watchers know if the person watched goes out and does something, and who visits them if anyone does.

They don't follow you to where you visit just that you went somewhere.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 08 2012 21:09 GMT
#1758
On October 09 2012 06:07 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.

Err, what?

What kind of watcher is a watcher AND a tracker?

EBWOP:

Medical Examiner

You are the Medical Examiner. Each night, you may go through the records of an individual. You will be informed of any other players who visit this individual.


Says nothing about knowing if they leave.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:10 GMT
#1759
On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:35 Mementoss wrote:
I am the Medical Examiner aka, I am the watcher, after clues got taken away my role was changed.

Breadcrumb, the only breadcrumb would be I changed my quote to "mommy whats a gravedigger" cause I imagined the medical examiner digging up dead people to examine them. The other would be how I exchanged words with BC after he claimed he was shot.

Okay to the more juicy stuff.

Night 1:

I watched BC, BC was visited by Node(Hapa) or the mafia vigilante. So he did not lie about the shot. However, he did lie about being medic protected.

On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


Why do you think marv shot you?


I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic.



Why would town lie about this? I can't think of motivation. The only reason BC would lie about this would be because he wanted to make scum think there was a medic saving his ass. Actually, the only possible way BC is town is if he is veteran, I don't see why he would lie about this as town, and just say hai guys I was shot, but I was veteran so give me some protection tonight. However, I doubt Blackmamba would take out the veteran role after one of the vets already lost his life. Also, given the fact that Mafia didn't try to shoot him again makes me 95% sure BC is the 3rd Party Night Immue Serial Killer.

On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??


Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig)

We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv.

We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think.


This quote also seems like he knows a bit too much, it implies that third party has some kp since no one is claiming vig.

I would 100% lynch BC tomorrow because of this lie.

That brings me to my next point. Mafia knew BC was third party after night 1.

On October 08 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Guys guys guys.

Don't lynch BC - he's a 3rd Party Role


On October 08 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 08 2012 09:09 Coagulation wrote:
How the fuck do you know hes third party?


On October 05 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
Seriously guys, BloodyC0bbler. I expect specific thanks from all of you later in the game.


It's actually really obvious.


Last minute ploys by dead mafia players to get the lynch on the third party to try and save members of their team or just to put WIFOM not to kill BC. We can use this now known knowledge to our advantage. Anyone who has been pushing BC hard after night 1 without much reason, or seems like they know too much, is scum. They are scum looking for some town cred for leading a lynch on anti town.

On October 08 2012 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum.
these are my current thoughts.
##unfos coag
Case later.


This post rubbed me the wrong way. BC is scum because he lied about getting shot, yet kushm4ster has no evidence to prove BC lieing about being shot. He is using this as his only reasoning. Also Marv, hard defended this guy, almost single handedly getting a wagon off him with a meta case.

On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
kush as townie:

On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu.


Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check
Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check


On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.



I could see kushm4sta as scum.

Night 2:

I watched sloosh and nothing happened.

I wish the night deadline was earlier so I could do this last minute and get one last watch. But hopefully this will prove to be useful. Since I was shit all game and I'm sorry lol.

But yeah look back after night 1/2 and see people that seemed to have a switch of thoughts on BC or knew too much. Because scum knew BC was 3rd party pretty early. I wish I could be more helpful but I haven't been doing enough reading into the game.

I would say lynch BC > lynch kushm4ster

TLDR;

BloodyC0bbler
kushm4stap



You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.


well of course thats what your gunna claim because thats the only way you would be town, its possible though I don't know if its true lol.

I said SK because I just relate 3rd party with SK for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:12 GMT
#1760
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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