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Some Thoughts:
I would like to extend my thanks to Dr. Helvetica for making this game, and allowing me to co-host it. Even though the game didn't exactly pan out like you wanted...
Thanks to HiroPro for coming in and helping me turn a clue based game into a non-clue based game on such short notice. I'm pretty sure we spent like 3-4 solid hours trying to come up with something that was at least semi balanced, but in the end, as many of you would probably like to point out, was a heavily town favored setup. I really wish I could have seen Dr.H's game as it was meant to be played, but alas, it wasn't so. I hope that the flavor both Hiro and I wrote could at least measure up to half of the flavor that I've come to be known from Dr.H, if so, than I would be happy.
As to the original setup. Obviously, this game was SUPPOSED to be a clue based game, and with the removal of clues, we had to make some adjustments to the roles in the game that were based solely around clues. The BIG ones were the ones that obviously flipped something that "Flavor-wise" didn't seem to make sense. The medical examiner, for instance, was supposed to look at a corpse and get clues towards that dead guy's killer. We decided to make those 2 watchers, as suggested by Dr.H. As for the Coroner, who was never flipped, he was SUPPOSED to mess with a corpse to make fake clues/misdirect the medical examiners. We changed him to be a unique framer role, allowing him to frame someone as a mafia role, which obviously was a HUGE game changer when VE hit that framed target. Speaking of VE, his role was a bit ambiguous originally, it seemed like a cop that got the role name but not the alignment, and got clues based on profile information. Taking out the clue part, we decided to make him a role+alignment cop instead. Pretty much everything else is as normal, BC would turn up as VT instead of giving barely any clues and such along that matter.
I know people really didn't like the CopMedic roles, especially 2 of them, as it seemed to kill 2 cycles and really didn't cause much positives in the game. However, that was a role that was designed to be in the game from the start, which I had nothing to do with.
All in all, following this game was entertaining in a train wreck sort of way, as it was a rollercoaster ride of who was going to win, and a BUNCH of very lucky breaks combined with decent night kills (when they were sent in) that allowed scum to sneak out the victory. IF someone would like to comb through this game and point out where people can improve, please feel free, as I am not the person to do in depth analysis of a mafia game quite yet.
Finally, I would like to thank the players for playing in the game. It was a long, tough road I know, but hosting this game gave me some awesome insight in how to host a mafia forum game. I hope that everything admin wise was at least tolerable =D
Once again, thanks for playing guys, GG BloodyC0bbler and the Scum team for their victories.
EDIT: This was BioSC talking... Herpaderp. =D
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Thanks for the game BioSC/DrH!
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Yes. Thank you hosts for the game. <3
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All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad.
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This was BY FAR the most frustration I've ever had in an online game
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I've never seen so much hyperbole in all my life. I could literally shit my pants from the amount of hyperbole in this thread. Literally.
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On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery.
Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone?
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On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad.
I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win.
YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible.
Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE.
And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town?
Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play.
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Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg.
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On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play.
LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers.
Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good.
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This game was extremely frustrating.
GG.
Fuck me sideways.
E: <3 DP, too bad I couldn't get anyone else to follow me onto you 
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On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good.
When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive.
I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking.
Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol
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Blazinghand
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Everything I did, I did for my people.
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Also, for the record:
Never make someone fucking edit information that they've already shared.
It was so stupid that I read what Mementoss said about the watcher role, but most people in the thread didn't see it before it got editted. Yea, I understand you didn't want him to do it, but once the cat is out of the bag, making him edit it and only select people having that information is beyond terrible.
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On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg.
It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock?
Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it?
It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play.
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On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play.
You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup.
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On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol
Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT.
How many times did you say kreb was scum?
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Thanks to Hiro/BioSC/DrH! Sorry for my early game inactivity. I hope I made it up somewhat later.
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On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup.
Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4.
I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game.
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On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum?
And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves.
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