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On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game.
Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post?
And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten 
Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T
On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves.
I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim.
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On October 18 2012 14:04 Keirathi wrote:This game was extremely frustrating. GG. Fuck me sideways. E: <3 DP, too bad I couldn't get anyone else to follow me onto you 
Yeah ZB had the same trouble. <3
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On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim.
VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day?
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What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen 
EDIT: you = keir
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On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim.
BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways.
Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town.
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On October 18 2012 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day?
He needed a defense? The only defense he needed was "there is no counterclaim". What else does he need there?
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On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town.
A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it.
Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs.
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On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir
You still voted Matt over him
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At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC.
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On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day? He needed a defense? The only defense he needed was "there is no counterclaim". What else does he need there?
You are forgetting that he only had 1 bad read. His other two could have been easily faked by scum. If he had not checked MMToss it would not have happened. And VE was scummy enough that people thought that no cop would counter claim him even if he was fake claiming.
If VE had been Townie looking enough and actually provided resistance to his own lynch I doubt it would have happened.
If VE had not checked the one role in the game scum could be able to fake IMMEDIATLY AFTER HIS INVESTIGATION WAS 100% wrong. It would never have happened.
You make it sound very simple. But without an obs QT and with these particular circumstances I can't fault town for voting VE.
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On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town. A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it. Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs.
Scum Role Cop, is, IMO, more common than town role cop. And especially more common than a town Role+Alignment Cop.
Plus, it would make sense for scum to have a way to counter the extremely terrible paramedic role.
Also: DETECTIVE was a scum role. All he would have had to do was say "Hey, I'm a Detective. I checked Mementoss last night and he was green." etc etc. No one would have counterclaimed him, and you would have made him confirmed town.
Get off your damn high horse.
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On October 18 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir You still voted Matt over him
I doubt you could have lynched me at that point even if you both pushed it.
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On October 18 2012 14:23 Risen wrote:
At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC.
evaluate a claim on its circumstance and the play of the individual. otherwise you end up with situations like prplhz in NMM II riding to victory on an uncontested cop claim.
Now the thing is that no one should ever lynch a blue claim just because "I wouldn't claim like this".
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On October 18 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir You still voted Matt over him
Haha, I'll quote this sad sad post again:
On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/
I basically gave up when despite me writing 2 full cases, making extensive posts on him, and being insistent as fuck that he was scum, nobody seemed to find him scummy, not even you (you did so after I gave up, basically).
So I just figured I was making a bad read and moved on
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On October 18 2012 14:27 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:23 Risen wrote:
At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC. evaluate a claim on its circumstance and the play of the individual. otherwise you end up with situations like prplhz in NMM II riding to victory on an uncontested cop claim. Now the corollary is that no one should ever lynch a blue claim just because "I wouldn't claim like this".
Exactly and the circumstances in this situation matched up perfectly with a VE fake claim. Added to the fact he survived 2 nights after he claimed which is incredibly risky scum play. It is not as black and white as Risen is making out to be IMO.
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On October 18 2012 14:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town. A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it. Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs. Scum Role Cop, is, IMO, more common than town role cop. And especially more common than a town Role+Alignment Cop. Plus, it would make sense for scum to have a way to counter the extremely terrible paramedic role. Also: DETECTIVE was a scum role. All he would have had to do was say "Hey, I'm a Detective. I checked Mementoss last night and he was green." etc etc. No one would have counterclaimed him, and you would have made him confirmed town. Get off your damn high horse.
But it didn't work out like that, did it? Bad town.
On October 18 2012 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day? He needed a defense? The only defense he needed was "there is no counterclaim". What else does he need there? You are forgetting that he only had 1 bad read. His other two could have been easily faked by scum. If he had not checked MMToss it would not have happened. And VE was scummy enough that people thought that no cop would counter claim him even if he was fake claiming. If VE had been Townie looking enough and actually provided resistance to his own lynch I doubt it would have happened. If VE had not checked the one role in the game scum could be able to fake IMMEDIATLY AFTER HIS INVESTIGATION WAS 100% wrong. It would never have happened. You make it sound very simple. But without an obs QT and with these particular circumstances I can't fault town for voting VE.
It was simple. Don't be bad, townies. Don't lynch cop claims with no counter-claim.
On October 18 2012 14:27 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:23 Risen wrote:
At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC. evaluate a claim on its circumstance and the play of the individual. otherwise you end up with situations like prplhz in NMM II riding to victory on an uncontested cop claim. Now the thing is that no one should ever lynch a blue claim just because "I wouldn't claim like this".
Probably a risk I'm willing to take. Keep that in mind for my meta peoples.
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On October 18 2012 13:11 strongandbig wrote:
holy crap
mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players, wow
although that coroner role is pretty ridic
Those weren't free lynches and a weak medic isn't that strong a role. Marvel just gave up for no reason at all despite risen making that "if i die he is mafia" post like 2 hours before deadline. Would have been easy to argue mafia shot him to frame marvel.
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On October 18 2012 14:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir You still voted Matt over him Haha, I'll quote this sad sad post again: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ I basically gave up when despite me writing 2 full cases, making extensive posts on him, and being insistent as fuck that he was scum, nobody seemed to find him scummy, not even you (you did so after I gave up, basically). So I just figured I was making a bad read and moved on
I don't like fighting ZB. Let's make up <3. That being said. After our Fight several people thought you looked scummier than me. It was actually after your cases that I made the most mistakes and looked scummiest from what I can gather.
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On October 18 2012 14:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir You still voted Matt over him Haha, I'll quote this sad sad post again: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ I basically gave up when despite me writing 2 full cases, making extensive posts on him, and being insistent as fuck that he was scum, nobody seemed to find him scummy, not even you (you did so after I gave up, basically). So I just figured I was making a bad read and moved on
Honestly it felt like you guys were just yelling back and forth at each other. Neither of you were convincing.
I decided DP was scum because of the reasons he was pushing Kush the night after Hapa died, but I was more sure of slOosh.
Then during the kush wagon and end of the night, I decided that he was even scummier than slOosh so I started pushing him.
Then I brainfucked myself and was terrible.
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Hmmm..... I should play to this Meta more often. I cant believe they thought I was blue.
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