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On October 13 2012 10:29 flamewheel wrote:
NO DONT KILL BC HE IS A COBBLER
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Day 5 Vote Count
Mattchew (2): slOosh, risk.nuke
DarthPunk (1): ShiaoPi
VisceraEyes (1): Kreb
ShiaoPi (0): iamperfection
Kreb (1): VisceraEyes
BloodyC0bbler (1): iamperfection
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On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims.
I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then?
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On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims.
How does it cause confusion? The confusion with Mementoss was not my lie, it was the timing of his claim, mixed with his checks, the roleblock, how he did it.
The issue with VE is he claimed dt, his target appeared nothing related to his claim, and he spent time wifom possible setup speculations on why that was. He acts as a confirmed blue where he is not. Currently the confusion isn't my claim, the confusion was brought to both players by me given blind belief in ones claim should not be taken. Whereas my claim is the most confirmed given that of VE and Mementoss, one has confirmed I was infact visited by a mafia goon, thus I could only have been shot.
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##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
Sorry guy. I wanted to wait.
For anyone who cares, he's taking the one self-motivated decision I've made this game (the 'toss check) and saying that I'm playing in my own self-interest. Except...I'm not. The reason I wanted to know if I can trust 'toss is because I've played with the guy before and besides BC (who I was NOT checking) the one I considered to be A) the least likely to be framed and B) the one who is most likely to look at the thread objectively and find scum with me. It was self-motivated only in that it allowed ME to have peace of mind about another town player so that, with 'toss, we could find the remaining scum. Add to that the fact that I fully expected to die. Add to that the fact that all the people I mentioned during the night were all potential frame targets.
Now: if BC is town, as he claims, then he should know that he should be dead. It's like...just one of those things. If BC is alive late game, he's anti-town. And he's saying that it would have been OPTIMAL for me to check someone WHO HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST CHANCES OF DYING OVERNIGHT THAN ANYONE IF HE'S TOWN.
This is a load of bullshit that he's injecting into the thread guys. I mean, yeah...he's just playing to his win-condition...but honestly if he's not going to help me find scum, then I prefer he just die outright.
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On October 13 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
I lied about a medic prot. I have already addressed why and near universally its a normal play. Please tell me how not letting the mafia know they shot a vet and make them try and figure out how many protective roles are in the game is at all a bad play? The only people who should honestly care about the # of blues is mafia unless the # gets astronomically high that it just doesn't add up. Then town cares. you should have said nothing if you were town instead playing gambits it just adds to the confusion. Why should i believe you? it seems from my point of view you only cared about your survival.
Said nothing? And not inform the town of all the hits in one single night? The only person who benefits from hiding KP from the town is third party or scum.
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On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then?
of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies.
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On October 13 2012 10:27 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:On October 13 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:ZBos I'm not responding to your case on Mattchew because its points are, literally: - Weird post defending Shady (Town) EVEN THOUGH YOU DID THIS TOO
- "completely random crap" without elaborating on why any of it is not relevant. And it IS, because he gives his opinion of Austin, Kingjames and BC.
- "Completely random stuff. Draws no conclusions and looks like its just there to feign some sort of participation." This is your only good point if true, but he actually does draw a couple of conclusions (annul playing like scumAnnul, BC playing like BereaucracyBC, not up to town-BC standards, slOoshScum)
- "pathetic filter"
That's IT ZBos. I've seen Mattchew fuck off and do jack shit for a whole game before. I'm hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter" and your case is laughably bad at convincing me that he's scum. Frankly I don't give a FUCK that you're "angry" about how "arrogant" and "bad" I'm playing. I'm here, and I'm trying. I don't care if you don't like the quality of my play, and I don't give a fuck that you don't like that I haven't been building "cases" up to your exacting standards. I'm doing what I can when I can. Oh wait!!! But see, had you actually read it, I stated in that very same post that MY read was a meta read, because I've seen shady on a BUNCH of games -- UNLIKE MATTCHEW!! "This is your only good point if true". Aww thanks, I'm flattered, you are so cute, that's all I've ever wanted. Except no. Annul was playing scummy, that's why he got vigged. BC is playing like hardcore 3rd party (slight offside of scum). Sloosh I've also noticed how he's very different from his LVII pseudo-town meta, and am still unsure of. It's not like I'm using that argument with tunnel vision. If you've seen mattchew fuck off and do jack shit then why haven't you said so? You are hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter"? Really? You are gonna take two fucking words and sum my entire case up on it? When only above you have even said that "This is your only good point if true"? Don't say it's laughably bad if you actually even admit that some points make sense. See what I mean by you being arrogant? So let me get this straight. Here's your little carefully plotted scumlist and how you are proceding to deal with them: me: Voted on annul. Then unvoted. Fuck his tradeoff with DarthPunk and the entirety of DP's arguments. He voted annul and then he unvoted lololol DP: He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument. Fuck his trade off with Z-BosoN and the entirety of ZB's arguments. He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument and looks like he knows what's up. lololol ShiaoPi: His name has FOUR appearances in your filter. FOUR. You haven't even commented on why you think he's scum or added jack shit to his case. You just nonchallantly added his name there. Kreb: Omg he wants to lynch me despite my extremely legit-looking cop claim lololol!! Mattchew: Has done shit this game. Fuck any other arguments, he's done jack shit lolol!! Actually nvm, he can't be that non-protown. ZB's case is laughably bad now, because all he says is that Mattchew has done jack shit! You look like you are passively concocting up some people and not doing any research whatsoever. It doesn't look like you are reading anybody's filter. It doesn't look like you are legitimately trying to scumhunt. In your 14 pages of filter I've read, there is no evidence of this. See, remember I was under the assumption you and mementoss were legit? Right now I'm playing under that assumption and shit and I'm having an incredible hard time giving that assumption any credibility. I'll keep it for today because I still think there are better lynch targets, but ffs, you haven't pushed SHIT!! The most you've done is: I want to lynch X because of Y. Where Y is a shit one-liner reason that shows no real effort. If I'm a scumread why aren't you reading my filter? If both me AND darth are your scumreads why don't you read our exchange? I mean, fuck, if I honestly thought two people who have like three pages arguing against each other are scum I would certainly CERTAINLY read it and draw conclusions. But no. You are just casually putting our names there as if drawing names from a hat. On shiaopi it's even worse. It's ridiculous. Control+F "Shiao" on his entire filter and see what you will find on his "lynch candidate". He's casually laying back and putting his reasoning behind toutestchaos, me, and like 3 other people who have made cases against shiao. This is fucking ridiculous. It's not like you are my prince in shining armor and I expect you to win the game and gallantly throw us roses as you ride into the sunset. Fuck that. You are doing a despicable job for any standards whatsoever, and that is what concerns me and why I'm bitching about. ok first of all, I never called shady town, you are really taking that post completely out of context. I was saying that no one in the thread voting shady had any actual reason to be voting him. please stop saying at any point i ever called him town because there is a HUGE difference. second, you are calling my answers to questions directly posed to me fluff and meaningless is bullshit and a misrepresentation of my posts. third, you can think my reads are crap, but atleast explain why that makes me scum and not just wrong. ok i am on a computer and gonna do a lot of reading and stop defending myself for a few posts
Sorry, not that they were crap is my main argument, and sorry for saying they were meaningless. I'm hurting a lot of feelings today..
The issue I'm having is the fact that you never revisited them, and the fact that they, in my humble opinion, did not help the thread much - did not give the game more meaning - if you will. It felt blank and unpurposeful.
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On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies.
My play may not have been the best this game, but I have put forth more overall contribution then most players still alive. Also given that near universally the biggest point of suspicion I was garnering for ages was "hes still alive" obviously the expectation of me is to perform at a far higher level then most players. As such would me wanting to survive to attempt to reach that expectation be far more intelligent then say, saying "im a vet, feel free to shoot me now"
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On October 13 2012 10:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies. My play may not have been the best this game, but I have put forth more overall contribution then most players still alive. Also given that near universally the biggest point of suspicion I was garnering for ages was "hes still alive" obviously the expectation of me is to perform at a far higher level then most players. As such would me wanting to survive to attempt to reach that expectation be far more intelligent then say, saying "im a vet, feel free to shoot me now"
nope you shouldn't really give a shit about survivng. if you were town you should have been contributed the entire time you were not. and not playing silly gambits. I didnt know the key to a town victory was having you last as long as possible. Give me a break.
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On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies.
This is going into some kind of game-theory-land now: But if you believe yourself to be an above average player of your team, you SHOULD want to sac other members of your team before yourself if thats what it comes down to.
So caring about his own survival doesnt have to be anti-town, it can be very much pro-town.
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Its really hard to go to sleep, this thread is so interesting atm
Im not used to be awake when all the action happens. ;(
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On October 13 2012 10:49 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies. This is going into some kind of game-theory-land now: But if you believe yourself to be an above average player of your team, you SHOULD want to sac other members of your team before yourself if thats what it comes down to. So caring about his own survival doesnt have to be anti-town, it can be very much pro-town.
that bullshit for a mafia game. Why would anyone believe a late game BloodyC0bbler if he has to sacrifice being a legitimate town player. He would have to lie and make himself look scummy in order to survive and then when it comes to late game the town will now suddenly believe him? Ya come on that doesn't apply here.
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On October 13 2012 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
Sorry guy. I wanted to wait.
For anyone who cares, he's taking the one self-motivated decision I've made this game (the 'toss check) and saying that I'm playing in my own self-interest. Except...I'm not. The reason I wanted to know if I can trust 'toss is because I've played with the guy before and besides BC (who I was NOT checking) the one I considered to be A) the least likely to be framed and B) the one who is most likely to look at the thread objectively and find scum with me. It was self-motivated only in that it allowed ME to have peace of mind about another town player so that, with 'toss, we could find the remaining scum. Add to that the fact that I fully expected to die. Add to that the fact that all the people I mentioned during the night were all potential frame targets.
Now: if BC is town, as he claims, then he should know that he should be dead. It's like...just one of those things. If BC is alive late game, he's anti-town. And he's saying that it would have been OPTIMAL for me to check someone WHO HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST CHANCES OF DYING OVERNIGHT THAN ANYONE IF HE'S TOWN.
This is a load of bullshit that he's injecting into the thread guys. I mean, yeah...he's just playing to his win-condition...but honestly if he's not going to help me find scum, then I prefer he just die outright.
Except you say if I am town I should be dead. So should you, So should mementoss, so should coag for sheer reason for being a vet/checked by you and flipped green.
Mattchew was not as useless day 1 as he is now and avoided major suspicion for days and would never have likely taken a bullet, thus he should have been shot early on, etc....
The level of vets still alive at this point in the game IS NOT A REASON TO LYNCH SOMEONE. Given that the near universal decision was I am a third party thus immune to NK's then checking me should have been your first choice as if we both lived you played the most optimally.
You can say that Mementoss is also the person most likely to help you find scum but we both know its not true given his stellar level of inactiveness overall and thus hes not going to help you do jack. Banking on both you and him still being alive, or one alive and not roleblocked is retarded.
You should be treating each check like its your last and praying to god you live, not throwing suspicion on everyone who looks at you and making up bullshit reasons to off people.
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On October 13 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies. My play may not have been the best this game, but I have put forth more overall contribution then most players still alive. Also given that near universally the biggest point of suspicion I was garnering for ages was "hes still alive" obviously the expectation of me is to perform at a far higher level then most players. As such would me wanting to survive to attempt to reach that expectation be far more intelligent then say, saying "im a vet, feel free to shoot me now" nope you shouldn't really give a shit about survivng. if you were town you should have been contributed the entire time you were not. and not playing silly gambits. I didnt know the key to a town victory was having you last as long as possible. Give me a break.
I have given reads, attempted day 1 to divert the lynch away from two flipped players who both turned town (who were the only main targets till that point) and that addition of conversation led to a near scum lynch because it forced austin to post.
Next we had day 2 and 3 where yes, I did far less, but guess what? EVERYONE DID. We were handed free lynches by two blues where universally near no one was talking. Day 4 rolls around and I provided reads when I was here. Gasp, seems like I have been helping as best as I could for when I am here.
Do you honestly not see any issue with VE's claim? His defense? His open admission that he is not going to play optimally in the interests of the town but in his own? Does town really suffer from a vet claiming med prot to fuck with scum day 2 to make them wifom the setup / # of blues when it shouldn't matter to town?
Does town suffer if a Mafia fake claims dt, treats it as confirmed, misslynches a townie, then proceeds to "waste his checks" to keep himself alive longer where his only defense is "mafia must have a framer / role flip hider" when they already had a role that was in play to counter his?
Start using your head dude.
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I'm not killing you because you're alive. I'm killing you because you're obviously third party and you're trying to kill town's cop rather than look for scum. Very anti-town of you. Very lynch-worthy.
Anyway, thanks for the theory lesson and everything - maybe my check WASN'T optimal. But like...I don't care. It's my check to do with what I will to help town win. You don't lynch every vig who shoots a townie do you? You don't lynch every medic who fails to protect someone?
My claim has made sense for days - you picked a pretty fucking opportune time to say "Whoa wait guys, WHOA. I just cracked this game wide open. You know all that stuff I said about VE being obviously town based on his actions and NOT on his claim? Well SCRAP all that because he checked MEMENTOSS instead of ME!"
Feel free to backtrack and get on Kreb BC, I'll join you. But as long as you insist that I'm scum, I'm going to insist that you don't give a fuck about finding scum. And I'm going to insist that you die.
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On October 13 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:49 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies. This is going into some kind of game-theory-land now: But if you believe yourself to be an above average player of your team, you SHOULD want to sac other members of your team before yourself if thats what it comes down to. So caring about his own survival doesnt have to be anti-town, it can be very much pro-town. that bullshit for a mafia game. Why would anyone believe a late game BloodyC0bbler if he has to sacrifice being a legitimate town player. He would have to lie and make himself look scummy in order to survive and then when it comes to late game the town will now suddenly believe him? Ya come on that doesn't apply here.
Go read games like closed casket where I was town. I have made up complete roles as town to attempt an early game win given how 100% sure I was on my reads / to make mafia shoot me. Me playing in a way to fuck with mafia's heads is actually quite standard of my play given that It is how I play.
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So it's okay for you to play like a dick, but it's not okay for me to play KINDA A LITTLE suboptimally.
Pull the other one BC.
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On October 13 2012 10:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:49 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:38 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:35 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:On October 13 2012 10:24 Kreb wrote:On October 13 2012 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
.....BloodyC0bbler you accuse ve of not playing his role properly yet you yourself are the one that LIED causing the shit storm of what claims we should believe. Your lying showed you cared of one thing and one thing only your survival. You can die now 3rd party. We should of lynched you the second we found out about your lie it makes no sense from a town perspective. Your lying only pushed forward your interests of survival.
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## Vote BloodyC0bbler
O.o Wait, what? How did BCs lie cause MMToss or VE to claim? And what the shitstorm about it anyway, everyone is (supposedly) playing towards their wincon, Town by rightfully claiming Town, scum by making false claims. Shitstorm? Elaborate please. Ve claimed he was a veteran but first he claimed medic protection. He lied kill him. Its not optimal play no matter what he says it just leads to confusion. Why should i believe anything BloodyC0bbler say in relation to anything. And i didnt say it caused somebody to claim i said it just adds to confusion because his lie causes confusion with relation to other players claims. I must say I dont really see the confusing part. He lied for a reason that to me makes sense from a town perspective. And no, you shouldnt believe him if you're sure hes 3rd party. But I cant discern how you are so sure about that. What if he actually IS veteran? Doesnt all make sense then? of course im not 100% sure stop playing stupid word games. I was under the impression that gambits like this were bad. Why would he need to lie if was town? just so the mafia wont shoot again. give me a break a town member should not worry about whether he lives or dies. This is going into some kind of game-theory-land now: But if you believe yourself to be an above average player of your team, you SHOULD want to sac other members of your team before yourself if thats what it comes down to. So caring about his own survival doesnt have to be anti-town, it can be very much pro-town. that bullshit for a mafia game. Why would anyone believe a late game BloodyC0bbler if he has to sacrifice being a legitimate town player. He would have to lie and make himself look scummy in order to survive and then when it comes to late game the town will now suddenly believe him? Ya come on that doesn't apply here. Go read games like closed casket where I was town. I have made up complete roles as town to attempt an early game win given how 100% sure I was on my reads / to make mafia shoot me. Me playing in a way to fuck with mafia's heads is actually quite standard of my play given that It is how I play.
can you provide a link im looking through your profile and i cant find that game.
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I'm not voting on BC. What he says actually has some sense. I agree that VE's "confirmation" on mementoss was unfathomable (see how cute and non-aggressive I am? Unfathomable. Not retarded), especially when coupled with the initial "omg, you guys are never gonna guess who I investigated", which in itself looked scummy as fuck.
I also agree with his point to say he was saved by the medic. I don't see how this lie confuses town... When I was a vet in XXVIII the last thing I wanted to say was OMG SHOOT ME. By that logic, since he's likely third party, saying he's a vet would have been weird as hell. So for him it's either say nothing or say he was protected by a vet.
Anyways, I'm done trying to sort things out for now. Will lift myself some weights, man up, and decide who it's best to go ahead and lay down the Boson hammer.
I'm going to push one of mattchew/VE/DP. I've decided VE's scummingness is too much to ignore, especially after he basically QQed himself out of answering me (one of his top "scumreads") when I was onto him like a rabid dog.
Asta la vista, sirs.
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