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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Please reconsider quickly because your reasoning on prplhz has been pretty weak as it is so far, especially given your previous prolonged absence. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 19 2012 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: What are your current reads Zeph? You don't have any outstanding votes, and I'm trying to figure out where you stand. Sorry I missed this, but I really was gone at that time Right now, I was mostly leaning to prplhz but his last big post convinced me otherwise. The part where he says this: The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. Kinda gets me. I mean, I think town-marv actually would find hiro's argument convincing, but the way prplhz talks about it makes me think he isn't all that scummy anymore. He also gave a pretty good explanation for his marvellosity vote. However I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. prplhz, if you don't tell this before marv dies, you better be prepared for the strongest wagon thrown at your head ever. By this I mean that I'll make sure everyone is on you. There is no way you can have some small reservations like this and not share them pre-flip. To me, this sounds a lot like you are prepared for a town-flip and wants to use this as an excuse after a flip. It is less incriminating considering there isn't a strong wagon on marv at this time, but I don't want to see this here and you not explaining it. Anyway~~ ~~ Back to my reads, I don't have a strong scum read at this moment anymore. mkfuba's play isn't exactly the best I've seen, and this post here is plain stupid: On September 19 2012 10:09 mkfuba07 wrote: Are you? I'm under the impression that you're one of the best, and it would be a very good move for scum to get you out of the way. I may have to reconsider. If a guy has a scum read and can explain that scum read, then he better be voting for that scum read, be it Palmar, Blazinghand, Marvellosity, sandroba, iGrok, GMarshal or Ace. On the other hand, a post like this is too stupid to be made by a scum too. I don't like that he talks too much by saying so little too. I'm really waffly for this guy. Then we have bluelightz, who is very aware of his lack of contributions but isn't doing more. He had a huge post on mementoss similar to his playstyle, but he hasn't done much since. And finally, with so many people going away and not saying much(austin, hiro, palmar, imp, ...) it's becoming harder to find a good read. So, TLDR, I think prplhz is less scummy atm and I don't think he warrants a lynch right now. I don't have a strong read on anybody else for now. Something that hit the back of my head that I thought would be interesting sharing. There was a game where me and marv made an identical case on prplhz's first three posts. The case was correct and prplhz was scum, but he deflected it by going AWOL until close to the end of the day and claiming cop and doing a really, really big post that spilt some emotional bullshit. For some reason, this image came to my head right now when thinking about prplhz's post. There are differences though: he didn't spend 36 hours lurking, he didn't claim something useless and there was little emotion on his big post. Now, different situations are different, but I can't stop thinking about how similar this stuff is. Plus that last line on his big post, it's really weird. Well, that's it. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
thanks for the help What are you afraid of? Make a read. Basically you blame everyone else for your inability to not get a read. Its day one no read is going to be perfect and your indecisivness leads me to believe more and more that your scum. It seems like to me your just trying to lay groundwork for someone else to make a case because your to afraid to do it. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:22 iamperfection wrote: so nobody is scum............ thanks for the help What are you afraid of? Make a read. Basically you blame everyone else for your inability to not get a read. Its day one no read is going to be perfect and your indecisivness leads me to believe more and more that your scum. It seems like to me your just trying to lay groundwork for someone else to make a case because your to afraid to do it. I'm not afraid of anything. I don't think you understand that reads can't be pulled out of my ass, I kinda need to have a reason to think someone is scum. That's how reads works, y'know. If I think there is a reason to think someone is town, I'm less inclined to have a scum read on him. So far I've been dismissing many possible scum reads under the assumption of 'a scum wouldn't do that' or 'that's too dumb for a scum'. I'll try to re-read the thread, and this time I'll note down anything I find to be weird. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Then we have bluelightz, who is very aware of his lack of contributions but isn't doing more. He had a huge post on mementoss similar to his playstyle, but he hasn't done much since. You consider this scummy from bluelightz? Knowing him, I'd be more concerned if he was actually trying to look useful. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
- Hapahauli - marvellosity - prplhz - mkfuba - blazinghand If you already gave a read on them, you can link me the post. You can also ask me anything specific if you want. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:40 Zephirdd wrote: Also while I'm at it, what's your opinion on the following players imp? - Hapahauli - marvellosity - prplhz - mkfuba - blazinghand If you already gave a read on them, you can link me the post. You can also ask me anything specific if you want. i only like to give town reads when i think it will prevent a mis lynch otherwise its pointless in my eyes. So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 19 2012 11:44 iamperfection wrote: i only like to give town reads when i think it will prevent a mis lynch otherwise its pointless in my eyes. So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town. Maybe you could elaborate on me being scum or try to actively push some discussion while I'm busy reading the thread, how about that? I'm barely on page 5. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On September 19 2012 12:03 Zephirdd wrote: Maybe you could elaborate on me being scum or try to actively push some discussion while I'm busy reading the thread, how about that? I'm barely on page 5. fair enough Palmar bugs me a lot with his last post. screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity[/QUOTE] I want to him explain his thinking in leaving the thread after making that vote. I want more explanation on his thought process there. Also he promised he would come back so he better do it | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
On September 19 2012 01:47 Palmar wrote: Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on? screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity that was his quote. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
So, until I see more from him, ##Vote austinmcc. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote: A useless fact accompanied by an unrelated quote. I hope you're going to try to be more easy to understand from now on so chumps like me can follow your thought process too. Wait, he asks who mkfuba is, but when someone gives him a lead to it, he instantly call it useless? prplhz's theme has been "do shit, tell others to do it" this game, and it begins right on the first couple posts. Just on this page, he throws "if I wanted to read them I would". That's about as terrible as it gets - people actually did his job of searching stuff and he just asks more. On September 18 2012 08:23 HiroPro wrote: BH - Mad Men I wanna lynch goodkarma. That first post of his is really cautious (barely pressures BH even though he calls out a perceived contradiction and then calls prplhz's play scummy but doesn't throw a vote down on it) He then proceeds to bring up a point of discussion (lynching lurkers), which he himself admits likely won't happen this game. ##Vote goodkarma I don't understand this post at all. So goodkarma didn't push someone hard on his first post. So goodkarma threw one of the most common discussion points for every day1 ever: policy lynches. He believed that policy discussion is more productive than trolling and hasty accusations. He thought prplhz had a bad behavior, but that it didn't warrant a vote. what the fuck is so scummy about his post that warrants a vote here? For some reason, HiroPro keeps on pushing this "case" on goodkarma when the guy has literally one post, but complains about BH's case on the three-post clearly-AWOL prplhz. On September 18 2012 08:37 HiroPro wrote: Explain to me where exactly prplhz had an opportunity in the game to display behavior like this. And while you're at it, show me what the difference is between prplhz's first three posts in Mad Men and his posts so far. Because I don't see anything. prplhz has his first big post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=6#113 At a point, I can't tell if he is being sarcastic or not. Either way, this post feels... forced. Like, he had a huge case on his head and agreed with it...? And then proceeds to throw town reads? What rings my bells HARD is this one part of the post: I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. How true is that? So far we only have his word on that. Last time I heard prplhz talking about his mood, he was scum. In fact, the only time he felt the need to talk about his mood was on that game(searched as far as Wheel of Fortune Mafia). I didn't want to go too far into his meta just for this, but this is something that really rings my bells. Holy shit, I can't believe I missed the way these posts worked on the beginning of the day. IMP's post after BH makes a vote on him is really, really bad. This is how IMP played up to this point. He made a random null post. Then he made another terribly bad post "Care to share why?" without taking any part of the thread's discussion. When he finally takes part in it, he reacts really really badly by instantly dismissing bh's case without some thought on the case itself. He does however consider it to be 'townie' as well. I don't get it, why is there this need to praise BH from these guys? Specifically, the two guys BH attacked? His vote on marv was about as good(read: bad) as marv's suggestion of lynching him, except marv didn't look serious about it. idk, just a thought. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote: "you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. I think I read this post wrongly for the millionth time this game. "over the top and scummy" not "over the top scummy". Geez zeph, get it together On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote: he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. This post comes out as odd because later Palmar quotes this as a geniunely town post. Why is it a genuinely town post? Knowing Palmar, it's probably because he prefers to take the logical essence of a post rather than the emotional part(ie. attacks), which is why he feels IMP to be town as this post is exactly what a town player should be like - dismissing the emotional part of a post. But I don't know why Palmar thought that by this, this makes imp town. From here there is my terrible case. I have this odd thing where I make terrible cases, believe on them but as time goes on I stop believing on them. For a reference, I completely gave up on my case and left it as a reaction-bait by the time I said "nothing you tell me will change my mind". The good thing about a case like this where I fight with a player like that is that I end up having him as a town read, and the whole thread does too. It also generates a fuckload of discussion. It's not a bad habit, but I guess I should start being a bit more thinky about big hasty cases like that. I was specially eager to use my "Zephirdd Rule" too. On September 18 2012 11:06 HiroPro wrote: also the point of bringing up a random lynch isn't so that people discuss whether or not the random lynch is a good idea. it's to see the reactions that people have to the chosen lynch target... [citation needed] On September 18 2012 14:25 HiroPro wrote: Why is the case on prplhz good, Zeph? That's all? while I'm fighting hapahauli, all HiroPro has to think about it is "why is the case on prplhz good"? Like, he had a few things to talk about(for example, the fact that I was indeed forcing some stuff through that case), but all he can do in the middle of this fight is... this? HiroPro is a seasoned player, and knows stuff. You know what this looks like? Keirathi on GSL Open. When I was fighting marv, Keirathi was in the middle of it trying to make some sense(mainly because we were both town), and that made me and marv think he was townie. Then Ange posts, and she has a good concern: she doesn't think prplhz has done enough. In fact, a lot happened but prplhz had one useful post, the one I had some concerns up there. On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit. that's an odd statement to be done when I just had a game where I was right on prplhz specifically about it; but I guess it's a valid one still  @Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games? He just played a game where she gave her list of games. In fact, this is the quote: On September 06 2012 15:32 Ange777 wrote: Good morning guys  Why isn't prlphz' vote an OMGUS? Basically I understood his post this way: Risen can't be seriously voting for me. Actually he is seriously voting for me. This is so bad. He gets my vote. (I don't get a different "feeling" from the other game linked.) I am not liking Risen's case on prlphz either. Both are equally stupid. @V7: Isn't Risen's first post standard fluff as well? My TL Mafia history: + Show Spoiler + Scum in Newbie Mini XII Town in Newbie Mini XV Town in TL Mafia LV Town in Newbie Mini XXII I had to leave Newbie Mini XV and TL Mafia LV earlier but I've officially used up my newbie games. I find it mind-boggling that prplhz, having posted on the same page as Ange did on that game, didn't care enough to remember that she posted it. It seems he cared enought to remember asking the question about it, but didn't care enough to search for that history where he would get the information readily. To me, this looks like he is trying to look contributive without being contributive. BL case on mementoss: TLDR. He has this thing where his cases are all post-by-post analysis, without the analysis part. TLDR Ok, having stopped at page 10, these are my thoughts so far: 1. prplhz is looking really close to his scum meta, way too close. The fact that he comes in and makes a huge post when there is some pressure on him and then goes away doing nothing is what makes me feel he is, indeed, scum. 2. IMP is looking really bad too. Fuck what Palmar said about him, or what I thought when I wasn't reading with much care on these first few pages. If prplhz's theme is "others do things for me", imp's theme is "I don't have to do anything". He voted for me. That's it. He isn't even considering other candidates at this point, for some reason *I* am the only one to be lynched. Best part? I've had plenty and plenty and plenty of posts after my stupid case, and he isn't bothering to push these posts. He seems to be pretty much comfortable being the only one voting me, and comfortable that others don't think/care if I'm scum. He said prplhz is town, yet he hasn't done shit to actively defend the guy he said to be town. I'm not sure if reading the other 10 pages tomorrow will change much of my opinion. For now, I'm pretty set that either prplhz and/or IMP are scum, and I'd be fine with either lynch. I invite people to read IMP's post on their context, and see what they think about it. I mean, his best interaction with me is "your scum". ##vote iamperfection | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
In addition to your IMP and prplhz reads, you talk a lot about Hiro. What is your stance on him? You didn't clarify it in your conclusion. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:38 Hapahauli wrote: @ Zeph In addition to your IMP and prplhz reads, you talk a lot about Hiro. What is your stance on him? You didn't clarify it in your conclusion. Oh yeah. My instance is that he looks really weird and has many questionable posts, but I dont think its enough to call him objectively scum. I mean, im not cocky enough to call a whole scum team on day1 like that. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On September 19 2012 13:39 Zephirdd wrote: Well, no reason not to i guess. I am just waiting for prplhz's response on the marv thing. Lets see what happens on the next hours, but you can count on me for the lynch if necessary and nothing changes my mind. Fair enough. | ||
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