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I've just spent a while looking through prplhz's scum meta, and I really don't see the similarities that some of you do. He seems overall much more engaged in this game (with just under 2 pages of filter 24 hours into Day 1), as opposed to his scum games, where he's usually very lurky and disinterested. By compariosn, In GSL mini (as scum), he had just over 3 pages of filter after 3-4 cycles.
So I don't think prplhz is suspicious for now.
Iamperfection is a bit trickier. He has this "I don't give a fuck" mentality towards any suspicion directed toward him, and that makes me lean town on him. Even though his post count has been lacking, I find his mentality more attributable to town than to mafia.
The players that I'm most looking at now are those I feel are "coasting" through the game:
Bluelightz
mkfuba
HiroPro
HiroPro especially, because he's distanced himself from the prplhz talk completely. He criticized BH's case on him early in the day, and hasn't mentioned him once since, despite him being a dominant topic of discussion.
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To clarify more on Hiro's distancing from prplhz talk, he criticizes BH's case, then asks two questions:
On September 18 2012 10:57 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote:
And prplhz has recently made a post that shows he is actually interested in scumhunting. It doesn't mean he's town, but given the case against him was largely based on meta, and his recent behavior (at least in my opinion) has been pro-town, I don't feel he's a good lynch candidate right now. This is why I give people a chance to discuss their viewpoints early, as otherwise I'd be vote swapping like a ridiculous amount through the first day and I don't feel this really helps at all. What was it specifically about prplhz's post that you liked?
On September 18 2012 14:25 HiroPro wrote:
Why is the case on prplhz good, Zeph?
He never follows up either of those questions, and overall has been extremely lurky.
I'm not going to vote for now, as I've been throwing my vote around waaaaaaay too much today. I'm going to sleep on it, wait for his response, and decide.
G'nite folks
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Oh, I 'suppose I should comment on why Ange or Palmar, or austinmcc are on that list, since it could be interpreted that they are "coasting"
Palmar - I've made it clear why I think lynching him D1 isn't a good idea.
Ange - Feels townie, and similar enough with her other townie meta so far.
Austinmcc - Could arguably be on the list for not doing much other than defending himself. He does sound genuine, and after defending his "too obvious" comment, he's drawn a lot of attention to his defense and hasn't been satisfied with me accepting it. Drawing attention to himself alot gives him some townie points in my book.
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I haven't posted much about prplhz because there's nothing about him that sticks out. The meta stuff is meaningless. He hasn't done much but the same can be said of austin/ange/bz/fuba/perfection. There's nothing that really separates him from those players yet he keeps getting mentioned.
I can hardly follow up on my question to goodkarma when he got replaced... Zeph told me all that I need to know when he said it was purely on the meta - not something that I agree with but not something that I find suspicious.
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First off, I don't need other people fighting my battles. Lynching me day 1 is not a bad thing at all if you have a legitimate reason to call me scum. In fact in previous games I've mostly been defended on day 1 by scum. I don't know though, I'm kinda on the edge about Zephirdd, he always does stupid shit so calling him scum seems too much this early.
Also irrelevant because we're lynching marvellosity today.
On September 19 2012 05:59 Zephirdd wrote:
and finally, his lynch provides nearly zero information
"lynch for information" is a thing scum invented to make bad lynches happen. Never think about the "information" a lynch will give you again.
Oh, I noticed you went on to vote imperfection who's like confirmed town. Start thinking, unless of course you're scum.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand's Ghetto Votecount:
Palmar ( 1 ) HiroPro
prplhz ( 6 ) Mementoss, Zephirdd, Bluelightz, Marv, Ange, BH
Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection
iamperfection ( 1 ) Zephirdd
Marv ( 3 ) Palm, Prplhz, Hapa
austinmcc ( 1 ) Mkfuba
austinmcc have yet to vote!
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched.
In particular, I'd like to call out the following players for having pants on their heads:
HiroPro you've been about as useful as a trapdoor on a lifeboat. Your filter, short as it is, includes literally no thoughts on Marv and your thoughts on prplhz are minimal and constrained to incoherent questions and statements about my case on him. The closest you get to making a read on him is this post which is about as crappy as the rest of your filter. I demand you take stances on both of these players, provide reads (rather than just asking inane questions) and reasons for the reads before the flip happens. Anything less than that is hurting town.
iamperfection I don't like the fact that your vote is on Zephirdd because you haven't made a good case for him. Do you really think you're getting him lynched, or are you trying to find an excuse to not take a real stance D1? The stuff you brought out about the misrepresentations you're talking about are a shitty move as town or scum, do you really think he'd lie TO HAPA about what Hapa wrote? Like who the hell would do that, town OR scum, and not think Hapa would notice it? Zephirdd may well be scum but he's not scum for the reasons you've got here. Either write a bleeding purple-headed case or move to a candidate you can write one for. And is this really the most you're going to say about Marv after the random vote you put on him? I'm not saying "oh perfection is scum" cause I don't even know what to think about you any more. Go be useful instead of being a damn turd. Come on dude. Concrete thoughts on the two main wagons.
Mkfuba. Dude. DUDE. On September 19 2012 13:12 mkfuba07 wrote:
Im aware that just about everything I'm about to say can be applied to myself as well as him, but at this moment he's the only one I would feel confident with a vote on. He hasn't given any reads, hasn't pushed anyone at all, and I don't see anything that has come from his posts so far. Overall he's not playing in a very townie manner. He has, admittedly, been more active than me. However, if you look at our contributions, they're about the same (and just about non-existent). What the fuck? Like, what in the literal penis-inside-vagina fuck? How can you be so self-aware of playing like shitty dick and AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME BREATH, DO A VOTE WITHOUT A REAL CASE? Like, I get it, austinmcc hasn't contributed, but that's not why people are up his ass. What about his reaction to the prplhz case? What about his subsequent defense and explanation? Did you actually read his filter or did you pull a lurker vote out of your ass? If you're gonna throw away your vote on a non-wagon, AT LEAST EXPLAIN YOURSELF. The other two did that
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Blazinghand
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poorly, but at least they made vague, groping attempts at it. I don't even know what your deal is.
I don't even know what to say about you three other than that if you really are town, if your mothers were reading this mafia game they'd be crying because she'd raised a useless townie
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Blazinghand
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Also Palmar if Marv is scum I would like to lynch him quite a bit-- he can be extraordinarily dangerous. You promised an explanation later-- I'll be awake for a bit. What's your case?
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On September 19 2012 13:39 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, no reason not to i guess. I am just waiting for prplhz's response on the marv thing. Lets see what happens on the next hours, but you can count on me for the lynch if necessary and nothing changes my mind.
Sorry, but I don't really know what the "marv thing" is. I've explained my vote on him and I read your text walls but I don't really know what you're talking about.
That said, I've convinced myself that you're town so that's one more for the list.
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This is why marvellosity is scum:
On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL?
Possibly a joke, I wasn't in the game when this was written so I don't know how the mood was in the thread. The random lynch suggestion, while strange, bears no meaning to his alignment.
This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker.
The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762
On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then? Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing. No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier.
What I take from this post is that marv for some reason has a problem with me not following whatever trends are already happening in town.
The bad thing about replacing in is that you miss a ton of important reactional stuff, the good thing is that you start with a completely unbiased point of view. I decided to post as I read through what had already happened in the game. So, marv's problem is essentially that I had my own point of view.
Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"?
It's a real problem when you're actively encouraging people to not read the thread objectively. Unless of course you're scum.
On September 19 2012 02:28 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar's play so far:
1. lol call 3 people scum for no reason
2. give out townreads to make self look townie (wow I can do this too, does this actually give town credit around here now? I should have known)
3. vote someone for no reason
na, piss off Palmar.
There is a marked difference between giving townreads for the hell of it, and giving town reads because it's applicable to give townreads. You already know that I hate it when people do the stupid "don't give your town reads" shit.
On September 19 2012 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
also, I'll answer you on Palmar if you can give me a coherent scum motivation behind my blatant OMGUS
gogogo
That's not how the game works, if it did you could just OMGUS every time and say "no scum would do that". I take your OMGUS as having almost nothing to do with your alignment, I take your attempt at using it to make you look like town based on that, as very, very indicative of you being scum.
On September 19 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:
I'm amazed you think weak sheeping from a seasoned player is a null tell, hapa. Seasoned players vote like that all the time, and I have yet to connect a mafia-mentality with prplhz.
Weak sheeping from a seasoned player can absolutely be null. It's all got to do with how they sheep and why. Not the face-value of just sheeping.
We need to kill marv today.
Just for effect/emphasis
##Vote marvellosity
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To be clear, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286846 - this is the point where I changed my mind from "hmm marv hasn't done anything" to "marv is scum"
The attempt to discredit me for nothing other than throwing out ideas and calling it a valid point is terrible. It doesn't help that marv is agreeing with a point made by his previous scumread.
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@Blazinghand: Hapa unvoted marv previously and hasn't set his vote on anyone else yet. So we are missing two votes.
@Palmar:
On September 19 2012 17:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Also Palmar if Marv is scum I would like to lynch him quite a bit-- he can be extraordinarily dangerous. You promised an explanation later-- I'll be awake for a bit. What's your case?
THIS and I am still not sold on iamperfection's confirmed town status. Just because of the attitude he gave that statement in? How about his awful case on Zeph and the lack of any scum hunting activity from him since?
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EBWOP: Ninjad 
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This prplhz lynch is not good btw, I don't think he's scum now.
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On September 19 2012 18:16 Ange777 wrote:@Blazinghand: Hapa unvoted marv previously and hasn't set his vote on anyone else yet. So we are missing two votes. @Palmar: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 17:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Also Palmar if Marv is scum I would like to lynch him quite a bit-- he can be extraordinarily dangerous. You promised an explanation later-- I'll be awake for a bit. What's your case? THIS and I am still not sold on iamperfection's confirmed town status. Just because of the attitude he gave that statement in? How about his awful case on Zeph and the lack of any scum hunting activity from him since?
Dude I make calls on little stuff all the time. All these textwalls mean nothing. To be completely fair, that little post I quoted from myself where I first voted marv was reason enough to kill him. I make a case so the derps can understand.
Now be a good derp and vote for marv.
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Blazinghand
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On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16286762
If true this alone is reason enough to vote for Marv. A town Marv would never change his posting style because Palmar called him on it. He might try to add more content or something but changing his style is never something he'd do, not even for Palmar. Town marv doesn't care about style, he cares about results. It's something a scum Marv would do in response to being called on it, though.
Reading.
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I'll check marv's filter one more time. Meanwhile, tell me why you don't wanna lynch prplhz.
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Because I don't think he's scum?
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Blazinghand
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Palmar's response, I'm calling it, is going to be something like this:
Hypothetical Palmar wrote:
because prplhz is town
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