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I am really conflicted between Stutters and Killing Time. I have been trying to get killing lynched all game but thought stutters was safer for lurking. However lurkers that make sence are something to consider. Killing is very non commital he has always been non commital. I realise while he hasn't slipped up is probably because he hasn't done anything. Oh and thanks casey I have no problem getting in a fight xD.
Stutters is actually making good points, like, really good points about killing. I have known something was up with killing all game and lets be honest while he hasn't defended himself the best it's ok for the moment (stutters). So until killing shows back up I actually have to vote for him. (although I hate the early force vote ;()
I will however continue to look into xatalos and kville but as I have said before I don't agree with kville lynch. Completely not final still need to check things but we should start voting early like you said (I think kush?) I will probably end up voting Killing or Xatalos
##Vote KillingTime
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In other words now that Stutters has answered the questions and come up with good points it's now killings turn to explain why he was so non commital.
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Also you need to vote in the voting thread imcasey just did but kush needs to.
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To answer questions/points I think merit a reply:
First, if you feel I have been non-committal or weak in my play then I can only apologise and say this is my first game and I am definitely learning as I go. That is not an excuse, but it is the most likely explanation for "weak" town play on my part. I think Kreb, Drazak & Sonic are town, everyone else I am currently suspicious of.
I can't make a case that I am satisfied with on any of the other players that is substantially different from the other cases at the moment. My post on Stutters was also about Kush and Xatalos - both of whom ignored it - although Xatalos may just not have seen it. Kush is not getting lynched today because too much difficulty. I don't think Xatalos or Kville are bad lynches.
2. In regards to Jacob, yes I am still suspicious of him but his filter is hard, his posting style is mostly a ridiculous stream of conscience style where he links half a dozen disparate thoughts together in the same paragraph and it is a real pain to read. I would not say I "dropped" the issue however, I continue to complain about his posting style in my later posts and I am doing my best to keep slogging through his filter. But he was clearly not getting lynched day1 or today, unless I developed an incredible water-tight case, which I don't have. Soo I am letting him lie for the moment as I don't want to get distracted with yet another separate lynch target today. (He also responded to me pushing him early by essentially pushing, demanding answers and then saying "oh well I wasn't sure about you I was just pushing you for answers" - and now he is back to lynching me again. Obviously, to me this looks pretty scummy - but it is useless for building a case as at the very most 1 other player knows I am town)
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Edit: btw sorry "merit a reply" sounds a bit arrogant - "needed a reply" might be better
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I am back to lynching you again because of the non commital style and posts stutters brought up. It is the most likely explanation so it is one both town and mafia would use. Simmiar to Xatalos and his military issues. Also I wasn't not sure about you I was suspicious of you however not to a sure extent. However was satisfied by not having hard evidence until stutters brought up the non committal thing. All the things I mentioned before are slight circumstantial evidence posts which is why I am currently lynching you over xatalos. As xatalos just has the military/ not commital thing where as you have the non committal thing and all the circumstantial evidence posts.
The reason I am going for you currently is I prefer you over xatalos and xatalos over kville. Nobody else is on my list right now as stutters has appeared to be quite logical over the last few pages. I am using a style similar to the vote swapping style but without actually voting. (until now) Also combining this with the one player focus in a way. Admittedly I am doing this poorly. Link to scum hunting methods
Also the fact that it is a stream of conscience style would only work in my favour as town (while being hard to read for the others) as it means I am being completely open and saying what I think. If I was mafia I would have to be the most amazing genius there is to consistently drop these kinds of posts without giving a watertight case to anyone. Also can you stop abusing my filter  It seems like an attempt to lower my credibility. While it is a unique style it’s not that bad is it?
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I now have like 15 minutes to write this post, and I read the recent posts pretty fast, so I'm sorry I can't respond to questions very effectively. Tomorrow I'll arrive home and have the weekend free of program, though, so I'll be going through every question and filter in a detailed fashion.
It looks like imcasey started an all-out push against me suddenly. I'm not sure if that's a sign of cornered Mafia or overzealous town, but since it looks like an imcasey lynch isn't going to happen anyway, I'll let this development slide for the moment. Stutters has been making okay-looking posts recently as well. That leaves kville. He's been lurking hardcore and when he has rarely posted, his posts have been unhelpful and weak. Not just weak in terms of quality, but suspiciously motivated: full of useless fluff/spam and careful questioning, but no actual statements or hard (if any) stances towards... anything. As if he's hidden behind a wall of useless text. With that, I leave my vote:
##Unvote
##Vote kville
Not sure if I can post anymore in the next hours, but hopefully I'll be able to at least check back at the thread.
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On September 05 2012 22:55 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:24 Xatalos wrote:
I'm in extreme hurry right now, but some comments on the recent events...
Farewell thrawn2112, you will be missed :/ Can't say I'm too surprised about the night kill, though.
kushm4sta, you're severely underestimating my contributions. At the moment I have a pretty good case against Sonic Death Monkey and WeeTee (imcasey), and although the case against Sonic Death Monkey is a bit outdated, the case against WeeTee (imcasey) is quite good IMO. At least I think it's much stronger than the policy lynching of kville or the suspicions toward Stutters695. I agree that I could have been more active so far, but when I look at my own filter, I've scumhunted and/or pushed the discussion forward in every post. Much more than can be said about most players so far.
Now I have to leave, but I'll be able to post again later today. My vote is going for imcasey, as I previously reasoned. I'll be looking at each player's filters later today, though.
##Vote imcasey
(Btw, my vote for Cubu was in real hurry as well, so I indeed should have reasoned it better, but I just had no time. I'll get back to it later!) Well WeeTee Did get replaced which could be the reason why he was playing so "safe" and conservative. He badnwagoned to avoid a modkill in order to fulfill the replacement, so it seems. The fact that there is little to no evidence other than "he was playing safe" doesn't really seem like a sure vote to go for, unless you are trying for another mislynch. You vote and leave the first day and you do it again the second time. It seems like your strategy seems to be "POP" then lurk. which seems a bit suspicious. And making a Vigi shoot for a town for the reason of "just cuase" seems rather irresponsible and just loses a town at the end. You have a town read on me yet you still want to kill me off. Why lower the odds town in such a way? #FoS Xatalos
He did say this about you though. Your motives for voting Imcasey were horrible (at the time at least, and imo still are) and he pointed it out. I too thought the just cause vig shot would be a very stupid idea. The vote on kville is a policy lynch (not without merit I might add) but you have been very flippent with your voting. Where did you lose your town read or is it still just a policy lynch? If it is a policy lynch and you don't think he is mafia you know where this would put us right? (well I understand bandwagoing to stay alive I guess) This is annoying because it looks like nobody is going to agree with my thoughts on killing so I set an alarm to wake me up 2 hours before the deadline. This should give me time to read the thread and make a decision.
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On September 07 2012 01:10 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 22:55 Kville wrote:On September 05 2012 11:24 Xatalos wrote:
I'm in extreme hurry right now, but some comments on the recent events...
Farewell thrawn2112, you will be missed :/ Can't say I'm too surprised about the night kill, though.
kushm4sta, you're severely underestimating my contributions. At the moment I have a pretty good case against Sonic Death Monkey and WeeTee (imcasey), and although the case against Sonic Death Monkey is a bit outdated, the case against WeeTee (imcasey) is quite good IMO. At least I think it's much stronger than the policy lynching of kville or the suspicions toward Stutters695. I agree that I could have been more active so far, but when I look at my own filter, I've scumhunted and/or pushed the discussion forward in every post. Much more than can be said about most players so far.
Now I have to leave, but I'll be able to post again later today. My vote is going for imcasey, as I previously reasoned. I'll be looking at each player's filters later today, though.
##Vote imcasey
(Btw, my vote for Cubu was in real hurry as well, so I indeed should have reasoned it better, but I just had no time. I'll get back to it later!) Well WeeTee Did get replaced which could be the reason why he was playing so "safe" and conservative. He badnwagoned to avoid a modkill in order to fulfill the replacement, so it seems. The fact that there is little to no evidence other than "he was playing safe" doesn't really seem like a sure vote to go for, unless you are trying for another mislynch. You vote and leave the first day and you do it again the second time. It seems like your strategy seems to be "POP" then lurk. which seems a bit suspicious. And making a Vigi shoot for a town for the reason of "just cuase" seems rather irresponsible and just loses a town at the end. I don't think kville is Mafia, If there is a Vigilante, kville would make for a good shot. You have a town read on me yet you still want to kill me off. Why lower the odds town in such a way? #FoS Xatalos He did say this about you though. Your motives for voting Imcasey were horrible (at the time at least, and imo still are) and he pointed it out. I too thought the just cause vig shot would be a very stupid idea. The vote on kville is a policy lynch (not without merit I might add) but you have been very flippent with your voting. Where did you lose your town read or is it still just a policy lynch? If it is a policy lynch and you don't think he is mafia you know where this would put us right? (well I understand bandwagoing to stay alive I guess) This is annoying because it looks like nobody is going to agree with my thoughts on killing so I set an alarm to wake me up 2 hours before the deadline. This should give me time to read the thread and make a decision.
I've read your case on Killing. Killing to me is one of those I dont think I have a read on. He hasnt been standing out neither by being overly agressive nor passive, neither by being very contributory nor by lacking contribution. Hes a solid neutral read to me. As such, theres a big "wait and see" sign on him. Givem the alternatives around, I wont vote on him.
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Also, the vote on Kville is not a policy lynch anymore. As I've pointed out before, he has not even tried to defend himself. Theres absolutely no reason to not do that. Stutters replied when I went on him, Kush/Drazak are replying to each others attacks, Xatalos has replied too (albeit mostly excusing himself for his lack of time). Everyone who has been attacked HAS TRIED (some with better success, some with worse), except Kville.
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On September 07 2012 00:01 KillingTime wrote:
My post on Stutters was also about Kush and Xatalos - both of whom ignored it - although Xatalos may just not have seen it. Kush is not getting lynched today because too much difficulty. I don't think Xatalos or Kville are bad lynches.
Sorry I didn't really mean to ignore it, it's just that there are other more direct cases against me lately that I have spent my time addressing.
You think I am diverting attention away from stutters? Well I do not think he is mafia and I think his posts are good and very pro town. He is kind of lurking, but in the beginning of the game he said his activity would be low. His posts have been pretty consistent and at the moment he is just a null read to me, leaning more towards town. What I have been trying to do is narrow down our lists of lynch candidates. Everyone has a different person they are accusing! So many of my recent posts have been about that.
I would only vote stutters to prevent a no lynch situation.
Is there a possibility he is scum? Definitely, but I think there are more suspicious people.
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On September 07 2012 02:38 Kreb wrote:
Also, the vote on Kville is not a policy lynch anymore. As I've pointed out before, he has not even tried to defend himself. Theres absolutely no reason to not do that. Stutters replied when I went on him, Kush/Drazak are replying to each others attacks, Xatalos has replied too (albeit mostly excusing himself for his lack of time). Everyone who has been attacked HAS TRIED (some with better success, some with worse), except Kville.
Kville is a lurker and he comes in and comments when he feels like it. Honestly I doubt has or will read the thread.
Still a null read because that's just how this dbag acts. So I think it is a policy lynch.
But having said that I would vote for him just because it doesn't seem like we are able to reach a good consensus. I would rather lynch XATALOS over him, however.
Xatalos flipping green tells us more than kville flipping green IMO.
Xatalos flipping red tells us WAY more than kville flipping red.
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Then again if we lynch kville, scum cant hide behind accusing the safest target..the person who has been the safest target for the entire game.
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I think the top votes right now are xatalos with 2 votes and kville with 3. Can we agree on these two guys as our lynch candidates?
If so people who haven't voted for them should say who they are going to vote for and why.
If someone wants to make a bandwagon for someone else, you have to do it very quickly or you will be the only person voting for them.
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Stutters, so you’re back posting. Nice to see. You’re making some good contributions as well. Of course, good contributions can be made by both townies and scum, but good contributions are what we need to solve this game so for now you deserve more time. I still think your contributions d1 sucked, but at this time I think having that discussion again would just be taking away focus from better lynching objects. What's left on my list of high suspects are Xatalos and Kville and I've just looked through their filters. I'll look read up on the latest case additions to the case against KillingTime as well, but I'm having a bad experience with those last hours wagons and I didn't like the case Jacob had.
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Kville just voted for xatalos FYI. Not really sure how to read that. He's not here to say anything or defend himself, but he's here to vote for the other person who is suspected.
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On September 07 2012 03:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Kville just voted for xatalos FYI. Not really sure how to read that. He's not here to say anything or defend himself, but he's here to vote for the other person who is suspected.
quick little bugger arnt you? Yes, voted for xatalos. Because any other case would be null if it was given as there are only but a few hours left, with me and xatalos in the lead. But enough fluff.
Xatalos claimed in his 10 minute made post , that casey and I were trying to mafia corner him becuase we both attacked. That is just a weak defense and he is trying to deflect accusations against him to others. It was a poor accusation.
I attacked him because he tried to attack a player with little information. Which is what scum try to do. They feed off the weak in order to attack.
I believe he is the best choice at this moment becuase of his suspicious attacks against both me and casey. Not only attacking but already trying to make connections.
Disclaimer: phone posting. alignment of text may be off.
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On September 07 2012 02:38 Kreb wrote:
Also, the vote on Kville is not a policy lynch anymore. As I've pointed out before, he has not even tried to defend himself. Theres absolutely no reason to not do that. Stutters replied when I went on him, Kush/Drazak are replying to each others attacks, Xatalos has replied too (albeit mostly excusing himself for his lack of time). Everyone who has been attacked HAS TRIED (some with better success, some with worse), except Kville.
Yeah, that's a good observation. I still have no idea what to make of the motivations behind that though. Both townies and scums should be motivated to defend themselves.
That's what Xatalos has going for him and why I lean towards a Kville vote atm. Xatalos seems interested in the game and at least it seems like he wants to contribute. And he did contribute quite a good amount at the start of the game, during the weekend. So keeping him for another day there's good chance we'll be seeing more posts over the weekend.
On September 07 2012 02:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 02:38 Kreb wrote:
Also, the vote on Kville is not a policy lynch anymore. As I've pointed out before, he has not even tried to defend himself. Theres absolutely no reason to not do that. Stutters replied when I went on him, Kush/Drazak are replying to each others attacks, Xatalos has replied too (albeit mostly excusing himself for his lack of time). Everyone who has been attacked HAS TRIED (some with better success, some with worse), except Kville. Kville is a lurker and he comes in and comments when he feels like it. Honestly I doubt has or will read the thread. Still a null read because that's just how this dbag acts. So I think it is a policy lynch. But having said that I would vote for him just because it doesn't seem like we are able to reach a good consensus. I would rather lynch XATALOS over him, however. Xatalos flipping green tells us more than kville flipping green IMO.
Xatalos flipping red tells us WAY more than kville flipping red.
I agree lynching Kville gives us very limited information, we just get rid of player who doesn't contribute. The question is what we get out of lynching Xatalos. One thing seems pretty sure, if Xatalos flips red, it clears Kville. Otherwise, why would Xatalos promote vig killing Kville? However, if Kville flips red, it seems highly unlikely Xatalos is scum. Xatalos has more posts and votes too analyze if he flips red, but that's just because Kville contributes NOTHING. Not a great reason to keep him around.
Could you expand on what information you expect to gain from Xatalos flipping red?
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On September 07 2012 03:50 Kville wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 07 2012 03:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Kville just voted for xatalos FYI. Not really sure how to read that. He's not here to say anything or defend himself, but he's here to vote for the other person who is suspected. quick little bugger arnt you? Yes, voted for xatalos. Because any other case would be null if it was given as there are only but a few hours left, with me and xatalos in the lead. But enough fluff. Xatalos claimed in his 10 minute made post , that casey and I were trying to mafia corner him becuase we both attacked. That is just a weak defense and he is trying to deflect accusations against him to others. It was a poor accusation. I attacked him because he tried to attack a player with little information. Which is what scum try to do. They feed off the weak in order to attack. I believe he is the best choice at this moment becuase of his suspicious attacks against both me and casey. Not only attacking but already trying to make connections. Disclaimer: phone posting. alignment of text may be off.
I'm sorry for my last post and I appreciate your contribution to this thread.
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If it is between Kville and Xatalos - I would rather lynch Kville at the moment. Xatalos has atleast got a semi-plausible excuse for why he is inactive and has said he could be more active at the weekend - his play to me seems somewhat consistent with someone who hasn't got enough time to play 100%.
Kville has twice come into the thread at the last minute offering a weak defence and trying to deflect a lynch, as kreb wrote it has been clear for 48h that he might be lynched today and he has done nothing to defend himself - yet he pops up again just like on d1 with an attempt to deflect the lynch away from himself. Of the two I think he is a better bet.
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