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slOosh
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Fact is (most likely) that scum got caught with their pants down and panicked. You can probably pick off some scum from the voting frenzy after Palmar's announcement. Then it would be incredibly uncomfortable to start talking about scum buddy Mattchew, so you do next best thing, which is lurk. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 06 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Everyone shut up about Ottoxlol and let him cool down. There are much better targets, i.e. people who lurked the whole time after dropping their singular vote. I.e. DYH. And that maverick guy comes to mind. Fact is (most likely) that scum got caught with their pants down and panicked. You can probably pick off some scum from the voting frenzy after Palmar's announcement. Then it would be incredibly uncomfortable to start talking about scum buddy Mattchew, so you do next best thing, which is lurk. On September 06 2012 07:54 BlackMamba24 wrote: sloOsh says people who dropped a vote and then lurked are scum. That's exactly what he did. Ottoxlol is indefensible. Why are people still talking about Maverick? My attack on him was a misunderstanding, pay attention. I voted before the announcement. Furthermore, you would notice that DYH also voted before announcement yet I think him a good target as well. I admit not reading clearly after the frenzy because it looks like a big pile of nothingness. Like, I think Ottoxlol is just really ignorant townie and people just getting upset because he is stubborn, and then scum just lurk or join in critiquing him. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 04 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote: Where did I do that? And your response to Toad's aggression is itself null for you, regardless of what it is for him. On September 06 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Everyone shut up about Ottoxlol and let him cool down. There are much better targets, i.e. people who lurked the whole time after dropping their singular vote. I.e. DYH. And that maverick guy comes to mind. Fact is (most likely) that scum got caught with their pants down and panicked. You can probably pick off some scum from the voting frenzy after Palmar's announcement. Then it would be incredibly uncomfortable to start talking about scum buddy Mattchew, so you do next best thing, which is lurk. He is ignoring me when there is no reason to. His posting indicates that he places some value in my posting ("I think slOosh put it best" as justification for lynch) yet when I call him out like that he doesn't try to come to an agreement with me. Rather he ignores it completely. We have a history of like ~5 games together and we value each other's reads. In this game there is a clear contradiction - "slOosh has good reasoning for voting Mattchew that I agree with, but I'm going to ignore the fact that he thinks I'm scum". The post that stuck out to me as "is it hunch or is it objective?" was his vote on Mattchew: On September 04 2012 14:22 DoYouHas wrote: @Hopeless - Forumite is right, if Mattchew was tracked to a night kill we would lynch him in spite of the claim. The coincidence is too high. Also, assuming we have trackers (which would be the only reliable way to verify the claim) you are spending 1-2 night actions from a valuable info-role confirming a townie (which would then have to somehow be conveyed to the rest of the town) instead of scumhunting. A self-aware miller role claiming this early serves one function, to get the WIFOM circus rolling and possibly tie up night actions. I don't see a blue or green role claiming nosy neighbor. It increases the chances the town will lynch you if you are blue. And as a green (whether VT or NN) you wouldn't want to tie up the town's discussion with WIFOM on the unlikely chance that later in the game you will be mis-attributed with a NK (not to mention you could claim NN then). I'm pretty comfortable getting behind the Mattchew bandwagon. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew This came when BC was screaming that Mattchew was a liar. A liar. A liar. However he approaches it from a "does it make sense to claim as a self-aware miller?" perspective, which makes me believe that this is scum overcompensating for an otherwise very clear cut vote. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 06 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote: Also Is there any way that DH/BC are not town? I was around when the interplay between the two went down and the simplest explanation being the best: BC sees matt's claim and has asked the mod already if NN are self aware. Matt is lying ergo he is scum. DH and others do not have this information and ask BC for evidence based on something other than what he has publicly stated, which was that he was making an assumption. After some discussion it is clear that BC pushing for a matt mislynch in this way would be incredibly short sighted and that the situation would be resolved upon confirmation of the role. Both town reacting differently based on the different information available to them. Simplest explanation is the best. I toyed with the idea and it is most likely that they are town, for if it was scum orchestrated they would have done a much, MUCH better job at capitalizing. Instead, the Mattchew claim sundered town and put immense pressure on the scum team. Could BC have gone rogue to sack his whole team in order to gain towncred? No. DH I was thinking his suspicions on BC both before the announcement and after the flip, but his general demeanor shows he cares about town and getting stuff right, making the prior stuff more likely paranoia / extra-critical thinking. | ||
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On September 06 2012 10:08 DoYouHas wrote: @slOosh - IIRC getting into back and forths with you has ended up in my being lynched as townie twice. I dropped out of our discussion after I had my read on you. I know what it will take to change that read, and it doesn't involve me interacting with you. I do think it is kind of amusing that you have tried prying at me because you know what my meta is better than anyone else in this game, while I haven't bothered dealing with you because I know yours better than almost anyone. If anything this strengthens my case. Either you think me scum or town. I infer from the posts in thread that you think I'm town. If indeed you think this, then you should be concerned that I think you are scum. There is a blaring contradiction in your words and your actions. Now will you actually address my posts? | ||
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slOosh
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On September 06 2012 10:41 DoYouHas wrote: I did think you were town early on in the game and I liked your post when you voted for Mattchew, hence why I cited it. I am much less sure currently. Your inactivity for one thing (yes I get that I'm in a glass house on this one) has me doubting as last game you played an extremely lurky and lazy scum. It could very well be that your initial activity was an overcompensation for that and now you have fallen back into that scum meta. I don't know, but I'm willing to wait it out and make that call when I have more to look at. As I said in your quoted post, I know what I'm looking for, and no, you don't get to know what that is. And just looking at our past, you honestly think that directly defending myself against you is the correct path? Defending myself does nothing to get you off my back, in fact, it has gotten me lynched twice as a townie (needed restating). What does actually get you off my back? Making cases and contributing. I suppose this question does deserve answering though: "What is my town meta and how am I playing to it?" = "DYH, please elaborate to the rest of the thread just how townie I am." Otto is the clear choice for the town's next action, whether that be vig or lynch. I'm trying to work on the next step. Ahh ... Ok I understand now. Hah the irony ... this is indeed what I did to you in SMVII(?) - get paranoid, lurk and then call you out. The question I asked on the meta was because I thought you could be bluffing with the town read. Alright gonna go clear my mind and reread your filter. | ||
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slOosh
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Misinterpretation On September 06 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Everyone shut up about Ottoxlol and let him cool down. There are much better targets, i.e. people who lurked the whole time after dropping their singular vote. I.e. DYH. And that maverick guy comes to mind. I dropped maverick's name because I recall his post was very vague, and hesitant to actually call out names. The other posts that mention Maverick are: On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote: K. Medics on Toad and BC and BM. Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers. Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has. On September 06 2012 07:35 Bill Murray wrote: Forumite's defense is really good. He's off my scumlist. I just filtered mav. TBH, maverick is looking more like town. i mean he's openly defending himself vs me and Dr.H Seems really inactive, however, so I'm not calling off a potential vig shot there... *looks at austin* Though, I'd still rather someone shoot Gravan, at this point. On September 06 2012 07:54 BlackMamba24 wrote: sloOsh says people who dropped a vote and then lurked are scum. That's exactly what he did. Ottoxlol is indefensible. Why are people still talking about Maverick? My attack on him was a misunderstanding, pay attention. There are three misinterpretations in this post. One I've pointed out here. The second is that he makes it out like there was a long drawn out futile discussion on Maverick, when in fact the only mentions of him are the three quotes above. Hardly "people still talking". Third is that he spins it in a way to suggest we are not paying attention. None of us actually mention BM24 as the cause of our reads or anything like that, yet that is how he takes it. It doesn't matter if it was a misunderstanding or not, because the reads are independent of what he thinks. Contradictions On September 06 2012 07:56 BlackMamba24 wrote: and why is sloOsh parroting Bill Murray's reads when Bill Murray's reads are incomprehensibly bad This refers to my post saying DYH and mav should be shot (1st quote in this post) On September 06 2012 07:35 Bill Murray wrote: I just filtered mav. TBH, maverick is looking more like town. On September 06 2012 09:06 BlackMamba24 wrote: we should lynch doyouhas too, this is a post that was definitely posted in the scum qt a few times my intuition is flaring up like crazy over this Claims he holds: He says BM has bad reads, and I am parrotting them. BM thinks mav is town, which I'm not parroting. BM and I both think that DYH is scum and so does he. However BM has bad reads and I am parroting those bad reads. Flat out contradictions that only serve to discredit our posting, even though he agrees with them. I thought that his weird play was just an extra portion of paranoia and something of a personal playstyle. However, a closer look shows that he does have a driving agenda of discrediting people and misrepresenting situations. His vehement attack on BC / defense of Mattchew and subsequent questioning of BC's alignment post flip also support this. | ||
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slOosh
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On September 06 2012 13:40 BlackMamba24 wrote: yeah that was all really messed up, sorry. I was angry because it seemed to me that everyone was ready to just let ottox slide, you never really gave any reason for anything you said. You voted for Mattchew pre-palmar (still doesn't give you any town cred) and then didn't post until the night comes. I don't really think you're in a position to point fingers at people for lurking considering that. What's wrong with questioning BloodyC0bblers alignment, do you know his alignment? Because I don't. You are right with the lurking - I got caught up with my little thing with DYH and haven't been lucid with my full reasonings behind each accusation. I do not however think it warrants misinterpretation or discrediting like that. There is nothing wrong about questioning BC's alignment, but you flat out said the Mattchew thing is alignment-inconclusive. This is beyond what I consider "healthy" paranoia, but that may be because you know what scum BC is capable of. Additionally I still don't see where you say "my read of Maverick was a misunderstanding", nor how that is the logical flow of reading the related posts. | ||
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On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote: Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts. First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture".... That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern. The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend.... First is hesitation to actually call out names - he points out several things he has problems with but doesn't attach names to them, but remains vague. With his read on Toad, it isn't direct but roundabout. It invites suspicion on him but doesn't actually make any claims for himself. He has in mind things that are scummy tells "constantly attacking other posters", but doesn't draw a conclusion, yet still posts it so that others can draw conclusions from them. You see that all throughout his filter. "I find *this trait* suspicious, but I'm not going to call out anyone who is guilty of this as scum." I'm comparing it to his Newbie Game where he is getting into the nitty gritty of things, and even his opening post On August 29 2012 01:34 Maverick32x wrote: If there is room.. I'd like to get in on this... work has been REALLY slow lately and I'm done with class for a couple months, so figured I'd play a couple games : ) suggests he is eager to play and he has the time to do so. | ||
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Because I'm seeing new town learning as he goes along. You can see how his post reflect the thread information at the time (indication that he is reading), and making what you consider bad arguments is alignment null. His case against BM is very reasonable - as a new player what would you do when you see someone dropping strings of 8 1-liners and being vague in general, and people ignoring him? | ||
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On September 07 2012 01:07 slOosh wrote: I'm seeing new town learning as he goes along. You can see how his post reflect the thread information at the time (indication that he is reading) This I consider somewhat of a newbie town trait - if you read the thread and you are bound to absorb information and regurgitate it, and from what I see in each of his posts, you can see how a town can say what he is saying considering the precursor posts. (e.g. Ottoxlol argues about possiblility of Matt as assassin and the thought permeates to some people, and he picks it up and says what he thinks). Or more simply put, he is reading the thread and his posts reflect current going ons (regardless of how effective his good/bad posts filter is). I think for him it's best to see what his current thoughts are on people like Miltonkram, Hapa, Maverick to get a clearer understanding of his playstyle. | ||
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On September 06 2012 08:32 Forumite wrote: I think the reasoning goes "Too obnoxious to be scum". Why do you think he´s scum? Prior to this he posted On September 06 2012 08:26 Forumite wrote: My reads: Maverick32x (Scum) Everyone else (Null) And yet this is his only effort to remedy his null Ottoxlol read. A filter filled with questions that do not develop into reads indicates apathy. | ||
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Times his Toad case right Mattchew starts getting suspected. Defends Mattchew before the announcement. Starts attacking Ottoxlol. Flip flops and calls him possible town for no reason. "I can see him flip town" doesn't help us make the correct lynch, it only looks like he wants to get no blame for supporting a townie mislynch. ##Vote: BroodKingEXE | ||
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Gravan you should be posting more thoughts so people can get a better read of you. SnB, ShiaoPi, Shady Sands and Rewok are all people I had to double check the filter list because they lurk too much. You guys should be posting more as well. | ||
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