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How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit?
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Shady Sands
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FoS KushM4sta How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit? | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:11 Lvdr wrote: I like a Dandel/Shady Scumteam right now. Right, that makes so much sense for both scum to put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person. On August 26 2012 05:44 Lvdr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 05:37 Shady Sands wrote: On August 26 2012 05:35 Lvdr wrote: Shady, do you do any behavioral analysis at all? Having a town read on thrawn and mkfuba is good play. If you don't make any reads how can you decide who to lynch? It's not bad play, but the way you're phrasing it means you assume 100% that they agreeing with you means green townies agreeing with you. You were saying "because mkfuba and thrawn agree with me then that adds weight to Dandel's case." There are only 2 mafia and I find it incredibly hard to believe they would put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person (that they know is going to flip green and spell their doom down the line). Therefore at least 1, and probably both of them are town. Their overall content, timing/context of their support, and gut feeling pegs them as town for me. Oh wait. Lvdr, now your later lies are contradicting your earlier lies. Which ones should we believe? | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:25 Lvdr wrote: And shady, you relentlessly accused me of protecting WeeTee because he was my scum partner... WeeTee flipped Green!!!! Quit making things up. I never accused you of protecting WT. This is the only time I wrote about you and WeeTee together. First off, he says that we should go after Weetee for scummy posting and OMGUSing left and right. Then he says we shouldn't go for me, who was previously his #1 lynch target and the player he was tunneling for thirty straight hours and even faked a town read on. Then he says we should go for Dandel Ion, a player who he has barely mentioned in any of his prior posts. | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:41 Lvdr wrote: My fault the explicit quote was from Dandel Show nested quote + For what? to defend WeeTee? Why is it so important to you that Wee stays alive? I think you are trying to "defend" him by pushing to lynch me instead. I think you 2 are a scumteam. Since Wee is obviously not present. Or he's just content to let YOU do your thing. In terms of accusations from you that look ridiculous now, how about this? Show nested quote + What is Lvdr doing? He's scattering his reads about so aggressively prior to the lynch deadline in hopes he catch a townie away from the thread to secure a mislynch. Note that whenever someone responds to him he backs away from the claim and starts on someone else. Show nested quote + But I still think we should be lynching Lvdr here. I can't believe that we're somehow letting him get away with trying to sheep town in 8 different directions and wagon whoever is AFK from thread. You're either playing a superb anti-town game, or you're scum. I'm going to step away because I am clearly getting heated. Except my accusations were based on your posts and activity, while yours were based off mistaking someone else's posts for mine. How that means I am the one playing anti-town is beyond me. | ||
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On August 26 2012 14:48 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2012 02:05 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. Dandel this post doesn't make very much sense. After reading that post I have absolutely no idea what read you were giving on kush. You use as you said, arguments that are "all pretty WIFOM" and assign a null tell to mkfuba's point about kush seeming to be alone. Then you say you "think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part." And then you say that his JK claim is "not very believable." So which is it? You say you will reserve judgement on him till he explains his JK claim but I think it's perfectly obvious why both a scum or town kush would roleclaim. Newb-town kush would do it out of desperation, and scum kush would do it as a scare tactic to avoid getting lynched. I don't see why you would need to see his explanation for why he claimed blue before you can give a read on him. This is exactly what I was saying here: On August 25 2012 02:21 Shady Sands wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2012 02:05 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr. Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush. I honestly have no idea how this post makes much sense at all. Either you believe Kush or you don't, Dandel. And if you don't, Kush is a clear lynch. | ||
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On August 26 2012 07:02 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 06:09 Shady Sands wrote: Where did Kush go? FoS KushM4sta How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit? Hi I'm here. I didn't vote for WeeTee beacuse I'm smart and I know hes not mafia. Its dandel and shady who are my two top picks. You haven't offered a single shred of analysis or evidence back this up. And apart from repeating my name over and over again, you haven't contributed to the scumhunt at all. You even actively sheeped your D1 vote. And you roleclaiming JK is just anti-town, period. It's at best a null tell or gives scum an easy bluesnipe, and at worst (and probably) is an attempt to fakeclaim and bait the real JK to counterclaim. And the really bad part is that you did it purely because instead of defending yourself by making cases you defended yourself by OMGUSing with one liner posts and never contributing any independent analysis at all. | ||
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On August 26 2012 10:49 Spaghetticus wrote: Sorry guys... I did set an alarm but apparently forgot to turn it on... either that or I turned it off in my sleep... Craaaaaap. I am not at all happy with how this went down, if I had have been here I probably could have got the bandwagon onto Dandel Ion, which was IMO a much, much better lynch. This is particularly infuriating considering I was going to make a case vs Dandel but my protection of Kush and WeeTee, and my case against Shady, took far too long, and by this time I was pretty much in a zombie state. Okay it is night time so we need to adjust our scopes and think about night play. - The JK is almost certainly going to use his action to prove his innocence, that is, the Kush debacle. The town may want to consider trusting Kush to try and actually make use of his ability, I personally believe Kush to be the least questionable town due to his willingness to prove it. If WeeTee was town, then Kush is almost certainly town. We should, if possible, try to utilise him while we have him, rather than wasting valuable JK actions on proving an already certain town to be town. - I want people to focus in on Shady and Dandel, I will eat my hat without sauce or water if both of these players flip green. How do you know that WT flipping green makes Kush green? | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Meh. Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter. I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here. I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week. Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother. Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm? A dick move? Yeah. But I don't care anymore. What the hell? Town hasn't been pushing you nearly as hard as Kush or WT or even me, for that matter. If you've got some time now, spit out your reads. And asking to quit like this is just bad play. If you're going to AFK from thread because you don't like the game anymore, PM a mod, don't say it in the thread. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:33 Dandel Ion wrote: eeh, guess I'm gonna ask for a replacement. Don't think it'll do shit, but w/e you guys want. Ok. Leave your final reads here so that we have something to work off of. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:44 Dandel Ion wrote: My reads before the flip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=16#314 Pretty much the same now, except that Lvdr has lied on multiple occasions now. It's puzzeling that nobody seems to have a problem with that, but w/e. I don't believe kush's claim, and somebody asked me why I didn't vote for him then. It should be a no-brainer, but: If he isn't JK, it's gonna come out after night 1. If he is, we have a JK. No matter how small I find the possibility, lynching kush day 1 would have been the worst play in fucking history, and I may be a lot of things, but I'm not THAT much of a moron. Ok. So is your read on Lvdr that he is scum now or not? | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:31 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn you are right about that last minute change to weetee to protect dandel ion being very suspecious. Let us see who precipitated this change... the first person so start changing peoples minds was shady. Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 05:15 Shady Sands wrote: I dont buy Lvdr's Dandel case. I think he's trying to sheep town into a mislynch. More coming soon. His case was basically Lvdr had accused 3 different people, which discredits him because is too many, even though shady himself has accused I think 4 people. Then later there is this gem. Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 05:44 Shady Sands wrote: Unless your read on Dandel is 100% scum, you should be voting WeeTee. Who can have a 100% read day 1? It's impossible. Furthermore, he has not explained why he is the only person who still suspects me. I mean many people have said it, my innocence can be CONFIRMED. Yet he still wants to lynch me and suspects me? I guess he is just ignoring this glaring inconsistency under the guise of not wanting to discuss me because I'm a waste of time. Yet he will waste time calling me out when im absent from the thread for a few hours. And now for his latest remark. Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 20:10 Shady Sands wrote: Either you believe Kush or you don't, Dandel. And if you don't, Kush is a clear lynch. It's not either you believe me or you don't. Have you ever heard of uncertainty, shady? Or are you just pressuring people into lynching townies again? Again, Kush isn't listening to others or making a good case. My case on Lvdr is not in how many people he was accusing but the way in which he was doing it. He was FoSing and voting people without giving them a chance to respond, in the last 12 hours before the lynch. And he was rapidly switching his targets as he did so. This is a classic scum technique to find out who is AFK/busy so they can set up a mislynch wagon, especially given that most of the town was undecided at that point. And I did explain why I suspect you. Read this post: On August 26 2012 20:19 Shady Sands wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 07:02 kushm4sta wrote: On August 26 2012 06:09 Shady Sands wrote: Where did Kush go? FoS KushM4sta How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit? Hi I'm here. I didn't vote for WeeTee beacuse I'm smart and I know hes not mafia. Its dandel and shady who are my two top picks. You haven't offered a single shred of analysis or evidence back this up. And apart from repeating my name over and over again, you haven't contributed to the scumhunt at all. You even actively sheeped your D1 vote. And you roleclaiming JK is just anti-town, period. It's at best a null tell or gives scum an easy bluesnipe, and at worst (and probably) is an attempt to fakeclaim and bait the real JK to counterclaim. And the really bad part is that you did it purely because instead of defending yourself by making cases you defended yourself by OMGUSing with one liner posts and never contributing any independent analysis at all. I can't explain why I'm the only person that suspects you because that would mean I could magically mind read other people's logic. I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. | ||
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On August 26 2012 20:48 kushm4sta wrote: Damn this latest development with dandel ion not giving a shit makes both him and shady seem quite innocent. Why, because he's playing like you now? | ||
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On August 26 2012 21:33 Spaghetticus wrote: My thoughts on it are that I would much prefer a lynch on Shady, as although I am suspicious of Dandel, this recent lack of interest is either a very good self bus play, or genuine disinterest, which I would not expect from a scum player. Why? | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:53 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 22:23 thrawn2112 wrote: It wouldn't be absolute proof. You could always get roleblocked by mafia and then your roleblock wouldn't go through Oh no. I reread the rules. The scum RB is just going to RB me, so my RB isn't going to go through. I did not realize this. Cop should be checking KushM4sta, as he's been claiming JK for the past day, and explicitly stated we could confirm that JK claim, and now there's not even a way to "verify" his claims. Alternatively, cop should check Lvdr to see whether he's just a lying scum or a townie with difficulty separating fact from fiction. | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:05 kushm4sta wrote: @Shady Sands There is one thing in your post I agree with, the last part. Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. That is why people should decide who I RB. They can pick the least scummy person to minimize the chance that it will be my "scumbuddy." As for lvdr, I find your case against him an exaggeration. Show nested quote + On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: Again, Kush isn't listening to others or making a good case. My case on Lvdr is not in how many people he was accusing but the way in which he was doing it. He was FoSing and voting people without giving them a chance to respond, in the last 12 hours before the lynch. And he was rapidly switching his targets as he did so. This is a classic scum technique to find out who is AFK/busy so they can set up a mislynch wagon, especially given that most of the town was undecided at that point. He claims he FOSed a bunch of people rapidly because he was trying to prevent lurkers. He uses the FOS differently than he should perhaps but to me it makes sense. Yes he voted for weetee at first then change his vote to dandelion, but why would mafia do that if weetee was town anyway? Also many people changed their vote from dandelion to weetee. Changing your vote does not make you mafia. @thrawn You have actually been riding shady's dick quite hard this game. I'm not saying it makes you suspicious but maybe you are putting too much stock in his meta. He claims he has been busy FOSing people to prevent lurkers, but somehow he missed Alsn, who skipped out hours prior to nightpost and didn't even show up for the lynch. | ||
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On August 27 2012 03:31 Alsn wrote: Show nested quote + Wait, what? I most certainly did show up for the lynch. I changed my vote before the deadline too. Gonna write up my thoughts on the pre-lynch debacle sometime before end of the night, I've just been really busy today so far.On August 27 2012 02:58 Shady Sands wrote:He claims he has been busy FOSing people to prevent lurkers, but somehow he missed Alsn, who skipped out hours prior to nightpost and didn't even show up for the lynch. Who was it that skipped out on the lynch vote then? I know someone did, he came into the thread and was making loud posts about how he missed his alarm clock. | ||
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On August 27 2012 10:50 Spaghetticus wrote: Kush is now confirmed town unless someone comes forward and claims they were also nightblocked. If this does not happen, then I am going to start FoSing anyone who questions him for deliberate attempts to spread confusion. How does that even make sense? You do realize that under F11, there could be no jailkeeper at all and only a roleblocker, right? And that jk/rb doesn't even have to rb or jk someone each night. At best, this is a null tell. At best. | ||
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It makes no sense. In that case I still have my original cases on both of them and am voting ## Vote Lvdr. That being said though, given that Lvdr's case on Dandel was unprovoked and a sudden FoS right before D1 lynch vote, I'd be willing to lynch Dandel only in the context that it tells us whether Lvdr is green or not. Scum Lvdr would have no reason to bus his partner in that way during D1. | ||
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