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On August 25 2012 13:16 WeeTee wrote:
Alrighty.
I am always busy and think the content you guys put up is (sometimes)utter crapola.
Im glad that iv been called out so that I can comment.
I have no reads on anyone at the moment and am happy for any outcome of the first day to happen.
I have trouble articulating what I want to say so I might be brash enough to put my #FoS on thrawn,
because he just never ever places a FoS and is always non committal.
I know I make a target of myself for being clumsy but for me to participate and get better i'm going to have to ignore the criticism I get and just put it out there.
Continuing on with my FoS its clear that thrawn is so active, probably overactive in the sense.
I have a case that chugging the bandwagon against me is a well timed push,
experienced even.
Building a case on me in my absence based on the fact that I am absent is not convincing enough to suspect me,
if it was then a FoS is surely sufficent.
Yet I recieved a vote from thrawn.
Just over the top imo.
I urge you all to read thrawns filter and see how passive his playstyle is.
And then make up your minds.
So... you are FoSing Thrawn because he doesn't FoS anyone else and is therefore noncommital? But he just voted you.
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going to bed right now, but before I go
FoS Weetee
His above response was nearly as bad as Kush's. If he doesn't pull a really good defense or an absolutely rock solid case by the time I wake up, I'm fine with a lynch on him.
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Back in thread. Was golfing. Reading
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On August 26 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 04:58 Lvdr wrote:
Also, I am still super disappointed that people are just missing at the key lynch time. Yeah i'm kinda irritated at shady, he was super active then goes afk from the thread.
I had an 1130 tee time cut me some slack, okay?
I was actually lurking the thread in the morning, but Spag said he had a case on me so I wanted to see what his case was before posting. Didn't want a repeat of XXIV.
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I dont buy Lvdr's Dandel case. I think he's trying to sheep town into a mislynch. More coming soon.
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I think we should vote Lvdr.
Looking through his filter all he's done in the past 12 hours is hijack the thread, point a bunch of fingers everywhere, and try to bully town into voting his read. Look at the following posts:
On August 26 2012 01:22 Lvdr wrote:@Dandel I see what you mean about carrying the argument, I will attempt to table it for now... I find it hard to separate Shady being overly aggressive from Shady being scummy. I would put him on the 'don't-lynch-D1-but-watch-for-future-scummyness' list. For d1 lynch I direct the towns attention to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#253To have no reads at this point is completely absurd. Also incredibly anti-town. Reeks of mafia playing too safe. Suspecting thrawn for being 'passive' is equally absurd. Thrawn has been active and productive. Not 100% confirmed town, but prolly the closest we have right now. Add in this comedy of a follow-up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#259Can I just say the entire post sucks? WeeTee says he has no reads and then comes at thrawn with You have refused to make a case and then OMGUS'ed someone for actually making a case against you. This is not even an argument, just an emotional appeal. ##vote: WeeTee
On August 26 2012 01:37 Lvdr wrote:@mkfuba My explanation of town/scum reads on shady 1. First town read maybe 35% confidence. Partially motivated by an actual read (that was early and incomplete), but much more in order to stimulate discussion. Not really a brillient play because many players are new and couldn't comment on metas, but I was trying. 2. Given that it was early, I basically reserve the right to change my mind. Townies cannot be afraid to share reads because if they change their minds, suddenly they're scummy. 3. I think Dandel may have a point about bringing arguments in from other games. Both me and Shady are in Normal III, and we suspect each other there too  Hard to keep an impartial mind because I see many similar charactaristics across the games. For what its worth I think he's either town in both games or mafia in both games. 4. I would argue my FOS has been useful to town, there has been a good amount of discussion and I have been active in that. For example when I FOS'ed you, you hadn't posted much in the way of content -- now I would say you are active in scum hunting and so the FOS was successful.
On August 26 2012 02:42 Lvdr wrote:
Since its getting down to the deadline I want to reveal my plan for d1 deadline:
I think we should lynch Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so.
Read through his filter: it SCREAMS mafia lurking through D1. He offers just enough content to register as active without really contributing anything to town.
I am still suspicious of WeeTee, but I stand by my statement that lynching active but contriversial players D1 typically leads to mislynches. WeeTee could still be bad-townie or desperate-newb mafia, but I do not think he is the best D1 lynch target.
Finally, whatever happens town cannot allow there to be a no-lynch. Therefore I implore all townies to
##Vote:Dandel Ion
First off, he says that we should go after Weetee for scummy posting and OMGUSing left and right. Then he says we shouldn't go for me, who was previously his #1 lynch target and the player he was tunneling for thirty straight hours and even faked a town read on. Then he says we should go for Dandel Ion, a player who he has barely mentioned in any of his prior posts.
What is Lvdr doing? He's scattering his reads about so aggressively prior to the lynch deadline in hopes he catch a townie away from the thread to secure a mislynch. Note that whenever someone responds to him he backs away from the claim and starts on someone else.
He finally settles on Dandel because there isn't enough time left in D1 for him to keep jumping his reads around. This cements my read on him. I am not going to sheep my vote to a scum.
## Vote Lvdr
Since it's majority lynch, and I see there are enough people active in the thread for the votes to pile on Lvdr, I urge everyone to vote him here.
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On August 26 2012 05:20 Lvdr wrote:
Shady there is LESS THAN AN HOUR. We NEED to make a lynch. Trying for a wholesale vote change now is not a good idea.
You're right, we NEED a lynch--a lynch on you. Quit using the deadline to bully people.
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On August 26 2012 05:26 Lvdr wrote:
@dandel
Prior to the deadline clusterfuck, I posted a case on you that your posting profile was extremely scummy. For the record both thrawn and mkfuba looked at your filter and agreed it looked scummy. At that point I decided you were by FAR the best lynch target, and I have yet to see a good reason to change that stance.
How are you so sure Thrawn and Mkfuba are town?
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On August 26 2012 05:28 Lvdr wrote:
My appeal to all townies:
Read Dandel's filter. Tell me it doesn't look like lurker scum. If you think so, vote for me and watch me flip green.
Except you're not green. You somehow know that thrawn and mkfuba agreeing with you lends towncred to your case, which means you somehow know that they are town, which means you are scum.
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On August 26 2012 05:30 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 05:27 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 05:26 Lvdr wrote:
@dandel
Prior to the deadline clusterfuck, I posted a case on you that your posting profile was extremely scummy. For the record both thrawn and mkfuba looked at your filter and agreed it looked scummy. At that point I decided you were by FAR the best lynch target, and I have yet to see a good reason to change that stance. How are you so sure Thrawn and Mkfuba are town? Since you've mentioned this, I was actually surprised to find myself on Dandel lon's townie list as well. I didn't think that my play has been much better than a null read at best. Though I may just be judging myself too harshly.
Yeah that list is dumb, but it's a conscious townread. Lvdr here is making a sub-conscious slip.
Basically Dandel is making a case that you are town.
Lvdr is somehow operating under the assumption that you are town.
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On August 26 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Vote count?
WeeTee is still my strongest scumread. Those of you that think lvdr is trying to avoid a vote for weetee should consider voting for WeeTee. WeeTee still hasn't given his read on lvdr and he's been the most noncommittal about everything else.
If WeeTee gets lynched and flips red then it's very likely that lvdr is also red. WeeTee being scum would indicate that WT/lvdr are protecting each other.
I don't want to waste my vote, and my prior read on WeeTee still stands. I'll hammer him if you're still not sold on Lvdr.
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On August 26 2012 05:35 Lvdr wrote:
Shady, do you do any behavioral analysis at all? Having a town read on thrawn and mkfuba is good play. If you don't make any reads how can you decide who to lynch?
It's not bad play, but the way you're phrasing it means you assume 100% that they agreeing with you means green townies agreeing with you. You were saying "because mkfuba and thrawn agree with me then that adds weight to Dandel's case."
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On August 26 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 05:36 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Vote count?
WeeTee is still my strongest scumread. Those of you that think lvdr is trying to avoid a vote for weetee should consider voting for WeeTee. WeeTee still hasn't given his read on lvdr and he's been the most noncommittal about everything else.
If WeeTee gets lynched and flips red then it's very likely that lvdr is also red. WeeTee being scum would indicate that WT/lvdr are protecting each other. I don't want to waste my vote, and my prior read on WeeTee still stands. I'll hammer him if you're still not sold on Lvdr. My strongest scumread remains at WeeTee. Where the fuck did all the other players go
If Mkfuba doesn't vote WeeTee nobody gets lynched. And shouldn't WeeTee be in this thread?
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ebwop shouldn't weetee be in this thread seeing as how it's his neck on the chopping block?
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On August 26 2012 05:29 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote
Naturally, I'm currently looking at Dandel lon or WeeTee. As far as Dandel lon goes, I'm ignoring the fact that he's voting for WeeTee, because that is basically his only viable option. WeeTee's vote, on the other hand, I find to be one of his most suspicious actions. He votes for kush for the same reasoning that he uses to defend himself. Also, though I know there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not the JK claim was real, saying "I'd rather lynch him and know if he was JK than keep wondering" (paraphrased) is scummy. Whether or not you believe kush's role claim, WeeTee's reason for voting for him is anti-town.
For Dandel lon, his main defense against the accusations is that the main point of Lvdr's argument is that he's experienced and should be posting better. I don't think that that's the strongest aspect of Lvdr's case. The fact that until just recently everything Dandel lon's said was policy (acceptable to a point), comments that appear to be contributing (slightly suspicious), and wishy-washy reads (suspicious) with about 17 hours of lurking following it, is the heart of the matter for me. It's not just the lurking, it's the active lurking before that.
##vote Dandel lon
Okay. Mkfuba, you hold the hammer. I don't get how you can view WeeTee's actual vote and KushM4sta-level anti-town play as being less worth a vote than Dandel's "active lurking."
Furthermore, if Dandel is as experienced as people suggest, it is better to have him around than a terrible poster who won't contribute to scumhunt.
Unless your read on Dandel is 100% scum, you should be voting WeeTee.
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On August 26 2012 05:42 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 05:40 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 26 2012 05:36 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 05:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Vote count?
WeeTee is still my strongest scumread. Those of you that think lvdr is trying to avoid a vote for weetee should consider voting for WeeTee. WeeTee still hasn't given his read on lvdr and he's been the most noncommittal about everything else.
If WeeTee gets lynched and flips red then it's very likely that lvdr is also red. WeeTee being scum would indicate that WT/lvdr are protecting each other. I don't want to waste my vote, and my prior read on WeeTee still stands. I'll hammer him if you're still not sold on Lvdr. My strongest scumread remains at WeeTee. Where the fuck did all the other players go If Mkfuba doesn't vote WeeTee nobody gets lynched. And shouldn't WeeTee be in this thread? Your candidate is lvdr who has less votes than WeeTee. This is really frustrating... it's hard to come to a consensus when less than half the town is posting.
I already said I'd hammer WeeTee if it looked like he was going to get lynched.
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But I still think we should be lynching Lvdr here. I can't believe that we're somehow letting him get away with trying to sheep town in 8 different directions and wagon whoever is AFK from thread.
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On August 26 2012 05:45 mkfuba07 wrote:
I am willing to switch to WeeTee, as I've stated that I still find him suspicious, though we need three more votes on him for a lynch. Can we get that?
Okay. ##Vote WeeTee
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On August 26 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 26 2012 04:58 Lvdr wrote:
Also, I am still super disappointed that people are just missing at the key lynch time. Yeah i'm kinda irritated at shady, he was super active then goes afk from the thread. Dude shadys is hella mafia you will realize this soon. Also if WeeTee is mafia it will also be easy because he plays pretty bad. So I guess I will cave to the pressure and vote dandel ion ##vote dandel ion
He sheeps onto Dandel and then goes AFK from thread. But Lvdr doesn't attack him. What?
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