EPTIf anyone has time and feels like there's nothing to talk about until the flip, take a look at my case against shady and let me know what you agree with, disagree with, if you think I'm making huge leaps, if you think it's good, bad, confusing, poorly worded, contrived, etc. The only ones that responded to it were kush and spag responding to kush. If there's something wrong with the way I present cases, I'd like to know that too so that I can do better in the future.
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
If anyone has time and feels like there's nothing to talk about until the flip, take a look at my case against shady and let me know what you agree with, disagree with, if you think I'm making huge leaps, if you think it's good, bad, confusing, poorly worded, contrived, etc. The only ones that responded to it were kush and spag responding to kush. If there's something wrong with the way I present cases, I'd like to know that too so that I can do better in the future. | ||
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mkfuba07
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
It makes no sense. In that case I still have my original cases on both of them and am voting ## Vote Lvdr. That being said though, given that Lvdr's case on Dandel was unprovoked and a sudden FoS right before D1 lynch vote, I'd be willing to lynch Dandel only in the context that it tells us whether Lvdr is green or not. Scum Lvdr would have no reason to bus his partner in that way during D1. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
The reason why I think Lvdr and Kush were playing the JK game, even though there's no way to prove the claim, was that they were trying to set up a "WIFOM mindbomb" for the actual JK. This is borne out by the fact that D1, their little game was unable to block the NK of Alsn. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:38 mkfuba07 wrote: I'd like to add that if Dandel flips red then we have at least one confirmed townie, possibly more. At the very least Lvdr would be confirmed to me. Yeah I agree with this. Lvdr was rallying my vote quite enthusiastically to lynch Dandel. And upon reconsideration, I no longer would rule out the possibility of a shady/dandel scumteam. As for shady, I am in agreement with mkfuba that shady is very suspicious. His accusations just do not seem like they are honest scumhunting. Instead, he makes these accusations, most memorably towards lvdr and me, just because he thinks he can get away with them. And he is very emphatic about these accusations even though they are not even close to sure things. Think about in shady's bad case against me. I agree there could be some suspicion following my roleclaim, just because I said I could 100% confirm, and that didn't turn out to be the case. I did not realize at the time that my roleblock could be roleblocked. But in all of his many posts accusing me, Shady never brought up the real reason why my roleblock could not be confirmed. Instead this is his most detailed reasoning: On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. But doing what shady suggests would lose the game instantly for mafia. @thrawn Are you really sure this is his meta? It's his meta to be actively bad town? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I remember shady giving this as another reasons why my confirmation is invalid...even though I would had to have based my false claim on the random chance that there was no JK to roleblock a townie. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 29 2012 03:52 kushm4sta wrote: [b] Is it possible in this game mode for there to be no JK? [b] I remember shady giving this as another reasons why my confirmation is invalid...even though I would had to have based my false claim on the random chance that there was no JK to roleblock a townie. Yes. Check the F11 game setup on mafiascum.net. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Is it possible IN THIS GAME for mods to never have assigned the JK role? If so what is the chance that there is no JK? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On August 29 2012 03:52 kushm4sta wrote: Is it possible in this game mode for there to be no JK? I remember shady giving this as another reasons why my confirmation is invalid...even though I would had to have based my false claim on the random chance that there was no JK to roleblock a townie. Yes. The roles in the OP are possible but you don't know how many of them are in the game. Quote from the OP This is a semi-open setup. You will know which roles may appear in the game but not the number. Well, there is at least one vanilla townie. But that's all you know. ///Edit:/// On August 29 2012 04:04 kushm4sta wrote: ebwop Is it possible IN THIS GAME for mods to never have assigned the JK role? If so what is the chance that there is no JK? Yes it is possible. Neither do I know about the chances of that happening or not happening nor would I tell you. It's a semi-open set-up and the point about is that you don't have this information. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Votecount so far: ( 4 ) - Dandel Ion: Lvdr, Spaghetticus, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, ( 1 ) - Shady Sands: mkfuba07, ( 2 ) - Lvdr: Dandel Ion, Shady Sands, You have 0:52 hours left until deadline. Deadline is still 21:00 GMT (+00:00). With 7 players alive it takes 4 to lynch someone. So far everyone has voted. Dandel Ion has 4 votes and is going to be lynched if nothing changes. Please make sure to highlight your votes with a [ b]-Tag so I can see them better. If there's any mistakes in the above votecount-of-aweomse please tell me so I can patch it. I'm not perfect yet | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
##unvote ##vote Dandel lon Gonna try to find another comp lab, but I might not be able to :< | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
End of Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://mikeeatsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/submarine-sandwich2.jpg%3Fw%3D500) Figure 4. What did you really expect to eat on a submarine? It had been a long couple of days for Captian Keirathi. First, the untimely death of Marvelosity, then WeeTee was killed resisting arrest, and now this: alsn brutally murdered in the engine room. And why? he wondered to himself. There was seemingly no motivation for these heinous crimes. He realized that he had to get to the bottom of this before any more blood was spilled. And that's why he ended up here, in the mess hall, with the seven highest ranking members of the crew. One deep breath later, and he was down to business. Over the course of the conversation, details concerning the previous night began to emerge. Slowly, it dawned on everyone present that there was only one person who could have been responsible for the death of alsn. It could only have been Dandel Ion. "Dandel Ion, I want to continue this conversation, with you, in private." sighed Captain Keirathi. Dandel Ion began to panic. He began trying to talk his way out, and explaining how it couldn't have been him, how it must have been kushm4sta, or maybe lvdr, but it couldn't have been him. He had an alabi, he was somewhere else, it wasn't him. The two of the armed men present began approaching him. That's when Dandel Ion pulled out a knife, and ran towards Captain Keirathi. That's when Shady Sands fired his gun, and killed Dandel Ion. Dandel Ion, the mafia roleblocker was lynched by the town! Night 2 has begun! You have 24 hours to submit any night actions you might have. Note that there are no clues this game. Any names used above are purely for flavor. Final votecount was: + Show Spoiler [klick me] + Votecount so far: ( 5 ) - Dandel Ion: Lvdr, Spaghetticus, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, mkfuba07 ( 0 ) - Shady Sands: ( 2 ) - Lvdr: Dandel Ion, Shady Sands, Dandel Ion has 5 votes and is to be lynched. | ||
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Some thoughts of my own. Lvdr is confirmed as far as I'm concerned, as he was the one who pointed at Dandel lon out of nowhere. I also have a pretty strong townie read on Spag, since he did mention having a case against Dandel lon, though he didn't post it. His absence at the end of D1 could be a tiny bit suspicious, but the fact that he even mentioned Dandel as one of his two scumreads when there were plenty of other options makes me think town. @kushm4sta: Now that the scum roleblocker is out of the way, you can confirm your role. I see two options: you either RB the person you think is scum (which would appear to be Shady) or you RB someone who is confirmed and therefore unlikely to lie about whether he was RB'd. This choice comes down to how confident you are in a scum Shady. I know it's weird roleblocking someone who we know is town, but there are two upsides. Lvdr will be protected (since the JK acts as a RB+medic combo), and Lvdr will confirm the RB, gaining us another confirmed townie in kush. On the other hand, if you block Shady and there is no night kill, then he was probably the remaining scum. I can see clever ways of messing with this option, but the most likely outcome is that if you block Shady and there is no NK, then Shady is scum. We can keep discussing the strengths of each option in here, but don't say which you're choosing until shortly before the daypost. We don't want the scum to know that you're a safe NK if you RB Lvdr. You have the power now, so keep him in the dark. How does everyone feel about the cop roleclaiming, if there is one? I think it's pretty safe to do so now, as a fakeclaim would narrow the scum options down to two people. They would likely have more information to give us, as well. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Unless, of course, someone's been breadcrumbing that he's cop for the entire game. I'd be willing to trust that as a true claim. | ||
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mkfuba07
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Town got ridiculously lucky with the Dandel read. Mkfuba (who I think is cop) was a lot more scummy from an "active lurking" perspective, Lvdr was lying, and Kush was a bad townie, so Dandel and I thought we had D1 covered. After D1 came, we both knew Dandel was going to die, so I decided to try and snipe the cop Night 1 and then bus Dandel D2. That didn't happen so I mostly zoned out of the game. I had Mkfuba and Alsn down as possible cops. Brief notes: @Lvdr - Well played overall. It was actually my intention from the start of the game to prod you into becoming irrationally angry. You, Kush, and WeeTee, actually. You were our D1 mislynch target until Dandel had a change of heart and went for WT. Then you bit on Dandel, hard, and I decided that it was too late for a D1 bus so I decided to go all out against you and make any read on me you had look like OMGUS in prep for a D2 Dandel bus. @Thrawn - You were our preferred N1 kill, until the Lvdr Dandel connection came up and we had to switch tactics. @Mkfuba07 - Well played again. I had you down as a suspected DT from the first six hours of playing, and was going to try and gun you for a D2 mislynch, but then again, the whole Dandel fiasco happened. @Alsn - Good job. You played a very intelligent, analytical style which helps town immensely. Even if I didn't think you were cop, you would be high up on a scum snipe list. Consider that a compliment. @Spag - Good job as well. You weren't as clean as Alsn but nice job reading me. However you don't have Lvdr's tunneling ability, next time you should pick that up--might have forced Dandel to bus me D1. @WeeTee, Kush - I'm lumping you two together since it's obvious that both of you are new to the game. I think the general lesson to draw from this game is never spend more than 10% of your time directly arguing why you are innocent--instead try to spend as much of your time as possible making cases on people. The #1 tug of war in mafia is the concept of "draining the pond"; imagine the scum as fish and the town as the pond. A town that doesn't point fingers at each other all the time is a large pond. By making cases actively, you drain the pond and give the fish less room to hide--they either have to bus each other a lot or make cases against townies which are eventually found false by a mislynch. Special note to Kush: don't claim JK D1, ever. Here you got very lucky in having a sympathetic town. If I was town I would not have believed you and would likely have tunneled you until the very end. @Dandel - Good game and I'm sorry it didn't work out for us. I think I made a number of mistakes, first and foremost among them not prodding you harder earlier in the game, before Lvdr jumped on you with a full case, and second assuming that town would be as unforgiving of Kush's scummy claim as I would be if I was town. Thanks for the game and I hope to see you again. And finally, to our hosts Toad, Ghost, and Keir, thanks so much. You guys made the game quite enjoyable. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On August 29 2012 07:06 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, and in case it wasn't clear from my previous posts, I still think Shady is the final scum. Oh shady is definitely scum. Look at the lynch vote lol...two scum voting for lvdr everyone else voting for dandel. I'm just going to tell everyone right now that i jailed shadysands. I already sent the message to the mod. I don't want any more town casualties, and to jail someone else would just allow shady to kill again. | ||
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