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On August 11 2012 02:14 Custos Luna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:01 sciberbia wrote:
In conclusion, I think there is a reasonably good chance marv was killed because scum thought he was the watcher.
This is possible. However, I believe that the scum team is trying to incriminate me. They want to set me up for a lynch. They are using the fact that marvel placed a vote on me and they want town to think that marvel was killed because of it. If you notice in Hiro's last post (before day post), he posts claiming I'm scum: Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote:
I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post.
I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts.
sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game.
Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case.
Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear.
Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He and his scumbuddies have created a situation in which they can try to get me killed.
Sweet WIFOM.
I'll tell you what, I'll play along too. CL is scum and engineered the kill to make it look like people were out to get him so he'd have a couple of easy mislynches. Or perhaps CL knew that he'd be called out for WIFOM so he made himself seem paranoid in a good paranoid-townie way, and he's trying to buy town cred. Or perhaps WIFOM isn't a good way to play.
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On August 11 2012 03:29 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:14 Custos Luna wrote:On August 11 2012 01:01 sciberbia wrote:
In conclusion, I think there is a reasonably good chance marv was killed because scum thought he was the watcher.
This is possible. However, I believe that the scum team is trying to incriminate me. They want to set me up for a lynch. They are using the fact that marvel placed a vote on me and they want town to think that marvel was killed because of it. If you notice in Hiro's last post (before day post), he posts claiming I'm scum: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote:
I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post.
I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts.
sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game.
Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case.
Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear.
Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He and his scumbuddies have created a situation in which they can try to get me killed. Sweet WIFOM. I'll tell you what, I'll play along too. CL is scum and engineered the kill to make it look like people were out to get him so he'd have a couple of easy mislynches. Or perhaps CL knew that he'd be called out for WIFOM so he made himself seem paranoid in a good paranoid-townie way, and he's trying to buy town cred. Or perhaps WIFOM isn't a good way to play.
What I presented wasn't even WIFOM. It's a scum plan that I recognize because I have done the exact same thing in the past and succeeded. I am not about to let it happen to me. I'm being logical, you're talking out your ass as you have done all game.
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On August 11 2012 03:37 Custos Luna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 03:29 Mordanis wrote:On August 11 2012 02:14 Custos Luna wrote:On August 11 2012 01:01 sciberbia wrote:
In conclusion, I think there is a reasonably good chance marv was killed because scum thought he was the watcher.
This is possible. However, I believe that the scum team is trying to incriminate me. They want to set me up for a lynch. They are using the fact that marvel placed a vote on me and they want town to think that marvel was killed because of it. If you notice in Hiro's last post (before day post), he posts claiming I'm scum: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote:
I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post.
I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts.
sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game.
Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case.
Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear.
Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He and his scumbuddies have created a situation in which they can try to get me killed. Sweet WIFOM. I'll tell you what, I'll play along too. CL is scum and engineered the kill to make it look like people were out to get him so he'd have a couple of easy mislynches. Or perhaps CL knew that he'd be called out for WIFOM so he made himself seem paranoid in a good paranoid-townie way, and he's trying to buy town cred. Or perhaps WIFOM isn't a good way to play. What I presented wasn't even WIFOM. It's a scum plan that I recognize because I have done the exact same thing in the past and succeeded. I am not about to let it happen to me. I'm being logical, you're talking out your ass as you have done all game.
No. He's right, your post was literally the definition of WIFOM.
I'm not saying you aren't right, because I am suspicious of HiroPro too, but trying to outguess the scum, who aren't guessing to begin with, is what WIFOM is.
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Ok, I suppose, since I'm looking at it from a different way, I'm not seeing it as WIFOM.
Regardless, I want to nip it in the butt before it starts.
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To clarify, what I was referring to as WIFOM wasn't your statement of "Hey don't kill me based on marv being killed", it was "Yo dawgs, don't kill me because marv was killed, lynch these other guys who set me up.". I agree that it isn't good to read into a NK too much, because you get into really bad WIFOM territory. I just think it doesn't make any sense to be against reading into the NK to lynch you but for reading into the NK to lynch other people.
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As far as nightkills goes I think it's more likely they just killed one of the vets who they didn't think would be medicprotected.
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I didn't say "don't kill me because marvel died". I'm laying out what I see. I'm stating the situation and I want everyone to look at the sequence of events. I'm not against reading into the NK in any situation. I'm advocating that everyone read into the situation as a whole.
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That's where you're getting into WIFOM though. To say scum killed for one reason and therefore we should act in your prescribed way is absurd. Let's go back to that scene from Princess Bride- You say you know what the scum are trying to accomplish with their kill. But they could have known that a wily veteran would catch on to their plan, and put you on the wrong track by killing "the wrong person". But you could have seen through their attempt to put you on the wrong track, and voted for someone else. But they could have known that you'd see through their ruse, and the cycle repeats.
In short, it makes a lot of sense to me to say "Don't lynch me because in one situation I'd be trying to get rid of marv because he voted for me", but it makes none to then say "now lynch these other dudes because in one situation they're trying to set me up". By calling out 3 players and calling them a scumteam and then saying that the scumteam is trying to screw you over with their KP you are arguing for lynching all 3 of the players you called out. You can't argue (well) that the best course of action is to lynch 3 people in a row based on a logical jump (that prplhz is scum) plus connection play based on that leap.
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CL, I don't like that you have brought out a connection case this early in the game. My experiences with connection cases is that they are rarely accurate when presented on day3 and you posted this at the end of N1. I also don't like your WIFOM. You, risk, and scib have all posted possible reasons marv was hit, and they are all equally possible. Speculating on night hits is pointless without corroborating evidence.
However, I do agree some of your points and who you are suspicious of.
The fact that it took vote switching instead of a clear majority to lynch Forumite increases the chance that prplhz is scum and that his scumbuddies manipulated the vote. That would make Hiro, Shiao, and Mord the suspicious parties day1. This is convienent as those are the people I have been most suspicious of after prplhz already.
I'm going to withold my vote for now. I need to do some more filter digging and put together an actual case before I commit to pushing someone.
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Actually, in my mind, the scummiest thing in the entire game so far has been your argument to lynch 3 players in a row based on the assumption that one of the players is scum, and then connection-based logic on Hiro.
##Vote Custos Luna
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On August 11 2012 08:07 DoYouHas wrote:
CL, I don't like that you have brought out a connection case this early in the game. My experiences with connection cases is that they are rarely accurate when presented on day3 and you posted this at the end of N1. I also don't like your WIFOM. You, risk, and scib have all posted possible reasons marv was hit, and they are all equally possible. Speculating on night hits is pointless without corroborating evidence.
However, I do agree some of your points and who you are suspicious of.
The fact that it took vote switching instead of a clear majority to lynch Forumite increases the chance that prplhz is scum and that his scumbuddies manipulated the vote. That would make Hiro, Shiao, and Mord the suspicious parties day1. This is convienent as those are the people I have been most suspicious of after prplhz already.
I'm going to withold my vote for now. I need to do some more filter digging and put together an actual case before I commit to pushing someone.
CL also changed his vote to Forumite.
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On August 09 2012 23:27 Custos Luna wrote:
EBWOP: DYH, looking back, that does appear to be fairly accurate. I had thought more people unvoted off prplhz and onto Forumite.
If it is necessary, I will switch my vote from Mord to Forumite to avoid the double lynch depending on what is said in the next half hour. However, Mord, you need to decide. Forumite or prplhz. Make your choice. Do so before I am required to or the wrath of the moon will fall upon you.
EBWOP: I think this makes it clear that CL wouldn't have voted for prplhz, so by DYH's logic CL should also be under scrutiny.
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Aww, you really are quite adorable Mord.
I am going to preface this post with the fact that I have been completely and utterly transparent with town this entire game. Because of this, nothing that I'm saying will be new, but purely reiteration. It seems, though, that Mord needs a refresher. Understandable though, as it's hard to keep track of the thread as well as the mafia QT at the same time.
Before the EOD1, prplhz and Forumite were tied. I told you to make a commitment, and you chose Forumite. Regardless of who you chose, I was going to go the same way as you. I was NOT going to let a double lynch happen. If you did not end up switching your vote, I was going to vote Forumite to avoid the double lynch. I was not convinced on either case, but since prplhz had less to go on, Forumite would have been the choice.
On August 11 2012 08:12 Mordanis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 23:27 Custos Luna wrote:
EBWOP: DYH, looking back, that does appear to be fairly accurate. I had thought more people unvoted off prplhz and onto Forumite.
If it is necessary, I will switch my vote from Mord to Forumite to avoid the double lynch depending on what is said in the next half hour. However, Mord, you need to decide. Forumite or prplhz. Make your choice. Do so before I am required to or the wrath of the moon will fall upon you. EBWOP: I think this makes it clear that CL wouldn't have voted for prplhz, so by DYH's logic CL should also be under scrutiny.
By all means, scrutinize away.
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I'm going to reread the thread. I'm in kind of a unique position 'cause I know that scum wasn't worried about getting one of their own lynched yesterday so I think they were on the lurky side. Will report back.
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On August 11 2012 08:07 DoYouHas wrote:
CL, I don't like that you have brought out a connection case this early in the game. My experiences with connection cases is that they are rarely accurate when presented on day3 and you posted this at the end of N1. I also don't like your WIFOM. You, risk, and scib have all posted possible reasons marv was hit, and they are all equally possible. Speculating on night hits is pointless without corroborating evidence.
However, I do agree some of your points and who you are suspicious of.
The fact that it took vote switching instead of a clear majority to lynch Forumite increases the chance that prplhz is scum and that his scumbuddies manipulated the vote. That would make Hiro, Shiao, and Mord the suspicious parties day1. This is convienent as those are the people I have been most suspicious of after prplhz already.
I'm going to withold my vote for now. I need to do some more filter digging and put together an actual case before I commit to pushing someone.
Yes, I understand a connection case this early is very unprecedented. I already said it may not be fully accurate and that I'm very open to discussion about it. It does bring a nice bowl of scummy activity for town to observe though.
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You still would have chosen Foru in any case except for me voting for prplhz. DYH was saying that people changing their vote to Foru were suspicious. Your first choice and actual action was a vote for Foru. Ergo by DYH's logic, you should have been on the list of suspicion. Your name was not featured, and it should have been.
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Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise).
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On August 11 2012 08:39 prplhz wrote:
Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise).
Not hunting scum at all is bad scum hunting. Would love for you to actually do something
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Hey CL, if you're so certain you've found the scum-team, why haven't you voted?
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