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On July 31 2012 06:49 Promethelax wrote: oh shit yeah! How goes it my perfect buddy. not good lost last game. | ||
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On August 02 2012 20:14 Promethelax wrote: to those of you in this game, I want this in my filter before we start. I generally work Mon --- Tues 10a-530p Wed 7p-6a Thur 9p-6a Fri 9p-6a Sat 7p-6a Sun ---- Sometimes I work sundays and sometimes those 7s and 9s get switched. I am going to do my best to never mention this in game because I got lynched last game partially for giving too many RL excuses for my absence which I generally feel is good play however I don't want to do it again since it got my lynched when I was town. fos promthelax preemptively making excuses for lurking is Mafia behavior. | ||
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I have come around in my thinking from previous games and agree that lynching lurkers is a good policy to have. When the town is inactive or loses its active players it is very easy for the scum to start leading the town. In my first game my scum buddies were able to dominate the conversation. In my last game that son of a bitch hapa cost me my perfection and i have been in mourning ever since. Its redemption time On August 06 2012 10:12 Shady Sands wrote: Also, why is Promethelax so quiet? In the last game I played him, he racked up 10 posts in the first six hours of the game. Alright lets not go accusing people of lurking in the first 2 or so hours into the game. We have 48 hours and while i want to see activity its important to remember this is forum mafia there will be times people can be active and not active. On August 06 2012 10:24 Lvdr wrote: I guess I misunderstood. I thought golbat was a mafia that got lynched d1. I'm really just trying to get some opinions going. You can easily go back and see the results of that game. takes 2 seconds and now people are going to start questioning your effort http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315 Speaking of previous games i would like to know how yourharry is going to aproach this game. If we are going to get your logic that makes no sense where your "sure" sombody is town or mafia i say we lynch you know before your logic festers and contaminates the town. One of the reason i lynched calgar in my previous game is because he actually used your logic in his own defense. Unforgivable in my view. Your thoughts? | ||
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On August 06 2012 10:59 Shady Sands wrote: I'm not accusing Prome of lurking, I'm just saying that his behavior this game doesn't match up with his behavior last game (when he flipped green) and his behavior in XIX (when he was scum). That's exactly my point. In XIX Prome was scum and led discussions actively from D1. In XXII Prome was town and posted a ton of fluff, and posted a bunch of weak cases. In XXIII, Prome is not posting. Weird Or its been only three hours and its sunday night and he dosent work on monday so he is getting drunk. Or like he stated before the game starts he some times works on sundays. | ||
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(havent been able to sleep since the last mafia game hence the sleeping pills) | ||
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Its important to remember that a policy is not and end all be all statement if we dont want it to be. The fact is the more we force scum to post the more likely the things they post will start not making sense. This is because their goals are diffrent than ours. If we construct an enviroment where the scum feel it is neccesary to post they are more likely to screw up. That said were as the game goes on we are not gonna lynch someone just because they are lurking we will have more information and we will take the whole case into consideration. | ||
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TolEranceNA Sideni If you are scum well fuck you but if your town its time to get active. Now i know it can be intimidating and you probally dont know what to say but you aint helping us be being silent. Just jump in the water feels great. | ||
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Im espcially curious of you sideni since you seemed kind of anxious to get the game started before but now your a no show. | ||
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Care to enlighten us on why? Also you didnt vote right. | ||
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On August 07 2012 07:50 Dandel Ion wrote: While YourHarry plays the scummiest out of all of them, I just can't determine if he actually IS scum. Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further. On August 06 2012 23:10 YourHarry wrote: He is sure that my post was a joke, but still suspects that I am scum at the same time. Scum Harry may intentionally mess up the quotes to make it more difficult for town, in which case I won't be joking. Town Harry would accidentally mess up the quotes and joke about not fixing the quotes. So it seems to be a forced argument to show commitment and throw fake "reads" out there. This is scummy because scums have harder time coming up with genuine reads because they have to build a case on someone they know is town. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:36 Lvdr wrote: Synyster apologizes for fluff... with more fluff. YH: the whole point of being scum is to confuse the town. Being a confusing townie only makes people suspicious: as you no doubt have noticed. iamperfection: other than YH's incompetence, who do you think is actually mafia? I want to make it clear that i still think yourharry is the best bet for flppping to scum. also to the defense that this is his town "meta" we dont really have a yourharry scum meta to go off now do we. | ||
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote: That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me simple question Why was calgar town? | ||
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On August 07 2012 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: Please keep discussion of XXI and other games out of this thread. Your question doesn't do anything for this game. Also, I asked you some questions about your suspicions on YourHarry - could you please answer them? Thanks! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=13#249 (Here for reference) What can i say i disagree with you. If he could answer that question with logic i would be more inclined to believe that there is some logic to his madness. If he cant i think my points stand. Do i have a note here that says he is scum no but i also dont have anything from anyone else that someone else i 100 times better so i think my logic stands on getting him out of the game. | ||
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On August 07 2012 10:33 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sideni - I don't mind you voting early, but try to make sure you're availible near lynch-time (~20 hours from now) to change your vote if necessary. I like your case against iamperfection, and I question the motives of his vote. He charges in when a bunch of people are FOS'ing YourHarry for very suspect reasoning (bad play as opposed to mafia motive). FOS iamperfection Hapa i know your afraid of revisting that game because of your scum meta but its definitly fine to revisit it. Like i said before if he could explain how he came to that conclusion i would be more likely to believe there is a method to the madness. Introducing cahos is a scum motive in my view. Thats what yourhrry does with his posting he introduces chaos. Do i have some other motives for lynching him yes. Do i not like how he plays yes. Do i not want yourharry by my side if god forbid i make it that far yes. You might not like that hapa but its the truth. Also i did not charge in i called out yourharry in my very first post and he ignored it. yourharry is my case his posting in this thread just confirmed to me what i already knew. He is reckless and i want him out. | ||
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On August 07 2012 11:37 Lvdr wrote: What do you mean there are only 3 mafia? Why can't everyone be mafia! In all seriousness, my FOS point to only 2: synyster and iamperfection For the record, YH and golbat are likely townie reads in my opinion. edit by way of refresh damint hapa sniped me At least give us some reasoning buddy. | ||
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On August 07 2012 11:51 Lvdr wrote: I will still observe them (just like everyone) but Synyster and iamperfection are the ones I am confident enough to FOS. Golbat is average suspicion, and YH is inscrutable. Right now (and I reserve the right to change my mind when more posts are made) I think iamperfection would give us more information. If he flips red, YH looks much less suspicious. Hard to believe he would bus YH that hard D1. Synyster is still a good lynch because of the cases brought so far. Unfortunately, because he has said basically nothing, the connections would be less obvious. Voting trends are always useful though. That makes no sense why would me flipping red have anything to do with yourharry. If you believe what has been said ive been using reasoning outside this game and the fact i dont think he is a good player to lynch him. Yourharry really hasent commented on the situation that much. | ||
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On August 07 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection: Ya know, this post isn't going to go away just because you tried to pick a fight with Lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=14#269 I still want answers for the following: 1) Are you accusing me of being mafia? 2) You called out YourHarry in your first post - why did you do this before he even posted/ was worthy of suspicion? 3) And while we're at it, what do you think of the cases against Synystyr? 1) no. My thinking was this hypothetically harry flips town then boom someone can attack you with meta from the last game thats why i think you could be worried about that. 2) i dont like the way he plays i think ive made that quite clear. Did i have an agenda to get him out of the game yes thats the truth. You dont have to like it. its not nice. its not even fair but i think the longer yourharry is in the game he does more damage than good. You dont have to agree with that but im just stating my thinking behind why i wanted him lynched. 3)Synyster has five posts. Its hard to say he is "scum" cause there isnt much to go on. I think he might be somewhat fearful in posting. His accusations seem to focus on productivity which is wierd because he is very unproductive himself. If forced to guess i would say awful town. | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:49 Blazinghand wrote: Perfection caught on right away. +2 coolness points to him for that. so perfect dont even need evidence to catch scum | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:50 Shady Sands wrote: The whole scum strategy was to push Syn and Prom as lynches, and hopefully get Prom to wagon Syn hard, so we could set Prom up as the D2 mislynch. Who were you thinking of killing? | ||
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On August 08 2012 03:08 Hapahauli wrote: The only thing that really stands out to me as far as mafia tells is mkfuba's quick 180 after his Promethelax case. Even then, that would have been pretty hard to catch until town had some allignment info. I think my plan of looking scummy enough to let live yet not get lynched would have worked. THen hopefully i would have made good checks. | ||
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On August 08 2012 03:25 Hapahauli wrote: Fluff - posting nothing worthwhile OMGUS - stands for "Oh My God U Suck", and is mafia shorthand for voting someone because "they suck". WIFOM - http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM FOS - "Finger Of Suspicion", a symbolic "i am suspicions of you" always answer wifom with the video its a great scene | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote: I just love the line about land wars in asia. so random and good i think its before this video starts but it goes something like "ever heard of plato aristotle socrates"yes" morons". my favorite line | ||
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On August 08 2012 11:22 Golbat wrote: Marv and iamperfection were playing strip trivial pursuit, and instead of take off his socks Marv told iamperfection Hapahauli's alignment. prplhz found out about this (because he was creeping on them through a hole in the wall) and immediately cancelled the game. GG Marv, next time just wear two pairs of socks. This is cannon now. | ||
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1. i was the cop i wanted to appear to be somewhat scummy to stay alive as long as possible and gain more information. 2.i knew yourharry was not cop or and likely not any other power role since i knew i was a cop. 3. I think yourharry outside of the game has shown himself to be quite intelligent i encourage him if he is town to join us in a less chaotic tone. | ||
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On August 09 2012 10:18 YourHarry wrote: Guys, just because I act erratically in the beginning doesn't mean it's scummy. I just like getting reactions, OK? Is this allowed? I think after the last game, if I show an inkling of trolling, I would be policy lynched. Do I have a permission to be myself without having to worry about being lynched? Thanks much <3 Why do you think its necessary? I think you can contribute a lot more with just some staight up logic no? It didn't do so well in xxi | ||
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On August 09 2012 11:06 Lvdr wrote: Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town? If your going to say something like that at least explain. | ||
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On August 09 2012 14:13 YourHarry wrote: @Hapha I mixed up Calgar and Hapha, LOL. I meant to say, "Hapha, agreed?" @mkfuba Do you agree that Hapha is most-likely town? Your last post, though, is basically a fluff and it also makes me wonder how you possibly missed Hapha's change in stance against lynching me. Did you draw scum again? the change with no reason given. you made one post and hapa changed his stance. I would like hapa to give some reasoning for his switch. | ||
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On August 09 2012 14:16 iamperfection wrote: the change with no reason given. you made one post and hapa changed his stance. I would like hapa to give some reasoning for his switch. i didnt see the spolier where he said he was joking never mind | ||
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but fos Lvdr @hapa On August 10 2012 01:03 Hapahauli wrote: Regarding YourHarry's "Town Read" on Me: I get the feeling no one read my spoiler quote T_T http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=21#415 "I'm joking of course, but given how much thought YourHarry put into his scum play for the last two days, I have high expectations of him if he's town. " yes. I think we should only use spoilers for very large detailed cases. i think ( ) would do better for little asides like that. | ||
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On August 10 2012 03:29 Promethelax wrote: I'm doing my best to catch up read and re-read. I already have one crazy connection theory which is too dumb to post so good news on that front. Dont be a tease you are among friends. Also what do you think about lvdr making the statement about them either being both town or both scum specifically what do you think of that specefic comment. Also i will be quite honest with you. From my previous interactions with you i thought coming into this game that you would be very active your tone has come across to me as wierd. Even though we were scum together in our previous game i still expected you to be a leading force among the town regardless. You came across to me as a very thoughtful player so im just take aback somewhat by your whole approach. Do you have a reason for this? | ||
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i know that you are busy but still something has seem off i was expecting more from you | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote: I was writing a breakdown of Yh's town claim... then I read that it got retracted. So much for that. Given that the claim was retracted and YH (according to him) didn't know his alignment when he made the claim we cannot really draw any conclusions based on it. Any argument would be a WIFOM from YH's point of view, but even YH didn't know what his alignment was. ok but why did you state this On August 09 2012 11:06 Lvdr wrote: Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town? | ||
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On August 10 2012 05:53 Hapahauli wrote: So let's kick things off: FOS iamperfection I feel like you've been going with the flow so far this game. You haven't started any original suspicions and you've been alternating between criticisms of players and piggybacking off other player's suspicions. This is completely different from your town play in the aborted game, where you tunneled YH from day 1. I believe i gave reasons already why im not gonna tunnel yourharry ಠ_ಠ On August 09 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote: I think its important to remember that when i was pushing for the yourharry lynch it made more sense from my perspective. 1. i was the cop i wanted to appear to be somewhat scummy to stay alive as long as possible and gain more information. 2.i knew yourharry was not cop or and likely not any other power role since i knew i was a cop. 3. I think yourharry outside of the game has shown himself to be quite intelligent i encourage him if he is town to join us in a less chaotic tone. And apparently trying to get people to talk more is scum motivated?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I want people to partcipate and fully flesh out their reasoning when they do something. The more people talk in the long run i think we can find scum. I was honest with prom he has seem wierd to me on both days and i think he can partcipate more and i want him to. For your other crap i will continue to get people to talk more its not idle suspicion im throwing out its just trying to get people to talk more. I'll be hunting scum while you do whatever it is that you do. | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:02 Lvdr wrote: @hapa - What do you think of my analysis of link 4 in your case? I agree that iamperfection hasn't offered much of his own, but his play has really mirrored your own in terms of questioning many people. @iamperfection - I encourage you to make a case of your own. While you have encouraged plenty of discussion, you haven't contributed a lot of your own analysis. I aint going to fabricate a case just to defend myself. | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:09 Lvdr wrote: If you have no analysis to make doesn't this make you useless to the town? The idea behind lynching lurkers is that continued activity makes it very difficult for mafia to hide. In this case you are refusing to put yourself out there; essentially that would make you a lurker. Very well you want some orginal content? On August 10 2012 06:05 Lvdr wrote: @hapa I don't think the case you're making against iamperfection is really scummy. link 1: iam clearly does not trust yh, especially given what happened last game. understandable. link 2: he is looking for more information. yes he doesn't offer an opinion, but it seems like a null read, not scummy. link3: as you said he missed the joke spoiler. null read. link 4: confirms that he missed the spoiler mentioned in link 3 and shows a proportional amount of suspicion on me. reads town to me because mafia have no interest in encouraging me to mount a good defense. link 5: follows his established pattern of encouraging others to put out more information and reads. This reads as a very flimsy case and even a bit of a reach. Lvdr defends me because he knows im town in hopes that i will go after someone else. Lvdr then encourages me to make new case in hopes to get attention on someone else. there you go ## Vote LVDR | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: To be honest, I'm shocked at how little attention that Axero is getting. He's laying low and has demonstrated some clear anti-town behavior. Some players have mentioned having suspicions of him, but no one has so much as FOS'd him. Go with me a bit here: If Axero was town, wouldn't he be a REALLY EASY MISLYNCH FOR MAFIA? Why has NO ONE voted for him? I'm inclined to think that his mafia buddies are covering for him! Your so called case on axerro boils down to one line to me. On August 10 2012 09:56 Axero wrote: Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check. You have to think of like this if he is mafia his plan was to refrence coaching as a means for his defense. I find this unlikely. I am more inclined to believe that this statement was truth and if he was away there was only one way he would recieve notification from a coach. He was pm'ed and i think this statement On August 10 2012 10:03 Axero wrote: My friend who introduced me to mafia told me after he received another pm after being scolded for refrencing coaching. Thats what determines it for me. | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: after he received another pm after being scolded for refrencing coaching. Thats what determines it for me. There's nothing in the rules against referencing coaching. I confirmed this with one of the hosts this game. [/QUOTE] There isnt? In a previous game i refrenced coaching and got immediatly scolded so that is why i think the same thing happened to axxero. | ||
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On August 11 2012 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: There's nothing in the rules against referencing coaching. I confirmed this with one of the hosts this game. ebwop There isnt? In a previous game i refrenced coaching and got immediatly scolded so that is why i think the same thing happened to axxero. | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote: EBWOP: @ Hapa If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself. Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on. | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:38 Hapahauli wrote: Funny thing is, ge isn't "going after" me. He's just casting idle "gut-feeling" suspicion on me. ???? | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:49 Dandel Ion wrote: with 12 people, it should take 7 to lynch, but it says 6 in the day1 post? So we could in theory lynch 2? I think the person that gets to 6 first would be lynched | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:04 Sideni wrote: Reading through Mkfuba's filter. Please, someone, help me build a case for him ... I really don't know who to vote for anymore =/ help me build a case for him. Thats all the reason i need. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:16 Promethelax wrote: Why isn't your case on lvdr valid anymore? I can't figure out how to word this right but essentially is that quote alone enough to make him more suspicious for you? What case on LVDR my tounge and cheek comments against him werent really a "case" plus he seems to be trying to promote discussion in both his defense while still hunting so Yes that quote alone is enough for me. | ||
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On August 11 2012 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Alright I thought about it. I think this is how I want to proceed: We lynch lvdr. He flips town, we lynch Sideni day 2 and probably mkfuba on day 3 He flips scum, you guys probably lynch me day 2 I'm pretty sure we get at least 1 scum with that. I won't lie, I'd like to have Sideni out of the game as fast as I can, but we all make our sacrifices.... It was silly for dandel ion to post that. We have no idea what is going to happen at night or what new information may come to light. | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: We have a couple of people here, me, Dandel Ion, lvdr, and Sideni confrimed. ShadySands and Kronen have posted recently. Between us 6, we can swing a lynch in a better direction. Possible Lynch Tarets GoodKarma - hasn't stuck his neck out, has played semi-lurky, and has tunneled suspicion on Axero and Sideni. It's his lack of involvement in this game that I find strange. Townies are naturally suspicious of several people and constantly switch suspicions (unless emotional). GoodKarma has played suspiciously "clean," and I think he could be mafia tunneling suspicion on two easy targets. Axero - his "ragequit" gives me a slight townie read, but I find his other behavior suspicious. I've made my views clear. Promethelax - Comes in, points a lot of fingers, picks a fight with Dandel Ion, then leaves. Call it a gut feeling, but I find his behavior strange. i dont count as being here? | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:25 Hapahauli wrote: Oh sup iamperfection - what do you think of the recent preceedings? We think Sideni's reactions make him a horribad townie. I also have a bad-townie read on Lvdr. Any of those players seem suspicious? I think we're heading in the waaaaay wrong direction as it stands with votes piled on Sideni. Ive already stated why i dont like axxero as a lynch i think he was being honest in his first posts. I think goodkarma of the lurkers looks like scum to me. He has tendancy to make little things seem to be more important than they really are. Such as sedini grap of the english language as well as making a big deal about jokes On August 11 2012 05:35 goodkarma wrote: This is spam. It adds no content to the thread and drowns out valid arguments which are critical for us to see so close to the voting deadline. Axero is definitely looking scummier than he did before. But I'm not ready to rule out his actions as being those of a bad townie yet. Also he seems to be setting himself to sofetning the blow he ends up switching his vote on to axxero. | ||
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On August 11 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection - I kinda assumed everyone thought so at this point lol yourharry is in this game. | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:31 iamperfection wrote: Ive already stated why i dont like axxero as a lynch i think he was being honest in his first posts. I think goodkarma of the lurkers looks like scum to me. He has tendancy to make little things seem to be more important than they really are. Such as sedini grap of the english language as well as making a big deal about jokes Also he seems to be setting himself to sofetning the blow he ends up switching his vote on to axxero. When i made this post i thought we were going to have a bit of discusion on who of the lurkers that were presented to us. I made this mini case because i thought goodkarma was the best and i have previously stated why i didn't think axxero was mafia. The suspicion piled up on goodkarma on other just before that and i was reading the filters of goodkarma and prom. If you look at the time stamps people started stating their gut feelings just before i posted my mini observations. I think this gives a little more credit to me as town. The voting happened very quickly after that and my concern for a no lynch was legitmate because i didnt know how many people were here so that is why i didnt vote right away. That is also why i followed up with the comment about me making an emergency vote if neccesary to avoid a no lynch. | ||
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On August 12 2012 09:23 Hapahauli wrote: Would anyone be up for voting for a 24-hour day? I can try to arrange this with a mod, since we all seem to be on the "lynch Promethelax" train. i support this lets get this to the intresting part. | ||
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On August 13 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote: Shady Sands is replacing out. oh god. | ||
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On August 13 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote: Shady Sands is replacing out. Does that imply you have someone ready to replace him or is a modkill possible? | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:21 Blazinghand wrote: NO WAIT I DID HELP HIM, I FOUND THE SENT PM: Got to be careful when you ask vague questions it sometimes leads to trouble........... | ||
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On August 14 2012 23:02 Sideni wrote: Well, that's why I didn't ask Hapa what role he was ! I asked non-confirmed townies. If mafia players only have 1 lead for a power role, they would try to kill it at night ! If this player doesn't die, it would mean that he's mafia :D but then what if mafia dont kill them just for that reason to set up a miss lynch. | ||
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