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On August 06 2012 13:21 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 13:15 Shady Sands wrote:On August 06 2012 12:21 JingleHell wrote:On August 06 2012 12:10 Shady Sands wrote:On August 06 2012 11:25 JingleHell wrote:
Are they mutually exclusive? Is there a problem with seeing something as being a scumslip? Even if you people are too busy wallowing in your WIFOM and confirmation bias about me to see it, DarthPunk seems to be preparing town to sheep him after I flip green. But you just pretty much tossed your entire case on Alan133 out the window and posted a one-liner statement on Darthpunk. That might make sense for an ##unvote, but you went ahead and voted Darthpunk anyhow. That's really wierd. If you're so hell-bent on proving that you're a contributing townie, why don't you build a longer case on Darthpunk before telling town to "flail around and die" once you get lynched? I'm not hellbent on proving anything. I'm pointing to something scummy as hell. If you don't think it's suspicious now, you might later, if I get lynched, since I'll flip green. I actually already gave up on proving my innocence, if you were too thick to figure that out. Something to do with the fact that anything and everything I do gets subjected to such a ludicrous level of WIFOM that it's a waste of time and energy. If you want to see my case against Alan, you can go re-read the one I already posted that nobody was interested in seeing. If you want to see a new case against him, go make one. A confirmed townie who sheeps and refuses to think is the best thing that can happen to scum, so don't expect me to ask "How high" when you say "Jump", you're a detriment to the rest of us. First, it was scummy that I wasn't making a case against every single person in the game, including the dead ones. Now it's scummy that I'm looking at everyone. Make up your damn minds, or lynch me, which, I'm sure, will be followed by convincing yourselves it was my fault so you don't have to address your inability to think critically. Look. You still haven't answered my question yet. Why are you suspicious of DP? What is scummy? Is it just his defense of you alone? It's day 4. If you want to make a vote, you need to present a better case than a one-liner. I saw your play in XXI. You're better than this. If you saw my play in XXI, you know that something exactly like this is how I got a scum lynched. Do me a favor, and don't tell me how to play, when everything I've said to now has been blown off anyways. It would be better all around if confirmed townies would try to make cases, instead of looking for chances to sheep. I already explained what's scummy, it's the fact that he's laying the groundwork for people leading a case against me to look like scum after I flip green.
How? Let's say you flip green--what could DP say to make people leading a case against you look like scum? And how are you so sure the people who are leading a case against you aren't scum?
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Great post aRyuujin. Guys, if you haven't read through this stuff yet, do it. General trends:
DP opens up on Ange after Ange attacks Jingle
DP says he is not sure of JingleHell's scumminess
Jingle thinks DP is trying to build towncred if Jingle flips green
aRyuujin posts explaining his dual-scenario case (Zork/Jingle/DP vs Zork/DP/Alan)
Before night begins, I want everyone who hasn't posted on this lynch yet to get their 2 cents in. While I think Jingle is scum, that doesn't mean he's wrong when he says a lot of us have sheeped on lynches over the past few cycles in this game. So I'd like to ask each townie to please, please make a post explaining their vote clearly before committing to it.
I'll reiterate that my read on JH is based on how Zork's fakeclaim seemed designed to give him cover to switch the vote, how JH seemed to have premonitions that Zork would flip red while still voting Mordanis for no good reason whatsoever, and finally how his reaction to the accusations failed the "5 key characteristics of scum" test.
As for why I'm voting JH now as opposed to going with DP now and JH later, I will say it's because knocking out JH and another night cycle will clear up a lot of doubt between DP and aRyuujin (who I still believe are the strongest candidates for the 3rd scum at the moment.)
Finally, given that those 2 scenarios that aRyuujin listed above are the 2 major possibilities, then why not lynch JH today so we can exonerate (or not exonerate) Alan? Under that set of scenarios, lynching DP today, and having him flip town, would tell us less than JH flipping red/green.
## Vote JingleHell
Everyone please write your reasons out for the vote. But also remember that we need 5 out of 6 townies for a lynch and a lynch is critical. Don't WIFOM. Don't call for more time to analyze. Drive towards a conclusion. But please, please state your own reasons. Thank you.
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Here are the people who I'd like to see post in this thread between now and lynch time:
Alan
Obvious
Ange
Darth--him especially
Thanks all and let's get this rolling.
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On August 06 2012 22:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:39 DarthPunk wrote:Sigh. you only think it is a good case against my defense as you want to lynch me. Confirmation bias or scum. either way it was not a good 'case' against my defense. And by bad case I mean he deliberately ignores everything I say and puts a negative spin on it in a way that he doesn't really have to address anything I have said. You mention this is my first defense post? you have got to be kidding right? I am no longer interested in arguing with you. It is clear you are not interested in the truth but rather will post mountains of rubbish in order to further your agenda. One thing though. In your post you are very eager to point out that ange777 is confirmed town. I know what is happening here. If others don't I apologise that my defense was inadequate. HOWEVER. I encourage everyone to read through my filter. hopefully the truth will reveal itself. If I am mislynched. plz lynch Ange and aRyuujin. PLEASE!
@ DP
Two things here.
1) This point of view is not good:
That being said. I will continue to post cases and defend myself but I am sheeping shadys vote no matter what this cycle. If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc. The reason for this is that the situation is bad at the moment. a mess really. I will sheep the vote of the confirmed town. Whilst still contributing as much as possible.
This sets a bad example for the rest of town.
2) Don't OMGUS Ange/aRyuujin. First off, because I think that the three of your accusers (Ange, aRyu, and Obvious) have totally different levels of scumminess, and second, because OMGUS at this stage in the game is extremely anti-town play.
That being said, though, I would like to see Alan put up his argument and make his vote before committing to a vote between Jingle and DP. I think the best scenario for town (and worst for scum) would be to have confirmed town make the final deciding vote.
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EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch.
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Basically, I'm 100% certain JH is scum, so why let him get away?
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Darth, I'm super interested in knowing how you think JH is not scum. Can you post something about that?
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On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
Yeah, you have a point here. So let's see what DP has to say about your presumed innocence. And DP, if you think JH is innocent, please don't sheep me and vote for him.
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On August 07 2012 00:28 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. Wait a minute. I actually accused MrMedic with my first game related post. And let's be frank: You can IN NO WAY infer from MrMedic AFKing so hardcore that he was replaced that he is scum. If anything, there's more of chance of him getting bored and leaving if he was VT than if he had a more exciting role. But even that is too silly to be brought up as a serious point. He probably forgot about the game, or got bored, or something. He got replaced. Do you really expect that he's some genius who planned out his replacement as a way to win? Despite how annoying JH is being lately, I actually agree with this post (or rather he agrees with me) [ + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
He basically says something similar about Medic's lurking, and agrees with my phat post where I outlined the two possibilities (Z/DP/Alan vs Z/DP/JH)
Shady, I think you're in danger of not seeing the big picture here. We know DP is 100% mafia. We know JH is 99% mafia. Let's not make the 1% risk and go with DP first.[/QUOTE]
In light of both Alan's and aRyuu's posts, I'm going to switch my vote to Darth. I think Darth is scum for one simple reason:
Jingle is behaving in an extremely scummy fashion. No one, not even Ange, who started the scum train on Darth, is saying that Jingle is not scum. But Darth goes out and says Jingle is townie.
Now, in the off chance that Jingle is town, how could Darth know that Jingle is town? The only way Darth could know that Jingle is town is because Darth himself is scum and can do process of elimination.
## Unvote JingleHell
## Vote Darthpunk
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On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag.
You say in your post above two things to justify your Jingle town read:
1) Jingle is AFK and an easy lynch
2) Jingle is the victim of similar traps that have been placed on you.
Point 1 doesn't make sense. Point 2 is too general. What traps have been placed on Jingle AND you?
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On August 07 2012 00:53 DarthPunk wrote:
EBWOP: It is pretty obvious to me that if something that happened to you has also happened to another, you are both town. or the most meta WIFOM ever is going on.
What happened to both Jingle and you?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 01:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:52 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag. You say in your post above two things to justify your Jingle town read: 1) Jingle is AFK and an easy lynch 2) Jingle is the victim of similar traps that have been placed on you. Point 1 doesn't make sense. Point 2 is too general. What traps have been placed on Jingle AND you? Point to is the relevant point to this situation I think. Ange777 tried to lay a trap on jingle the first day Jingle called her on it and that was that was the beginning of their argument. Ange777 then tried to connect jingle and zork BEFORE ZORK FLIPPED RED due to jingle attacking ange777. even though this started hours before hand this was trap 2 At this same time. Ange kept trying to bait reasons why I thought her case was weaker than mine. She then turns this around and calls me out for soft defending zork. even though she initiated the discussion. Trap 1 She then several times today in this thread asked me leading questions and then immediately takes the answers SHE SOUGHT FOR and used them as EVIDENCE. trap trap trap. the same pattern between myself and jingle of setting up predictable responses to leading questions and then using the answers as EVIDENCE. jingle called her out on it immediately. I was stupid enough to fall for it. But if I am being trapped by ange777 and jingle is. then it stands to reason that we are both town. I am tired and it may not have come out well. but this is all in my filter. which is why I wanted people to read it before making claims that have been covered at length.
Let me break this down for you:
Ange777 tried to lay a trap on jingle the first day Jingle called her on it and that was that was the beginning of their argument
What was the trap? What did Jingle say to call her out?
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Ange777 then tried to connect jingle and zork BEFORE ZORK FLIPPED RED due to jingle attacking ange777. even though this started hours before hand this was trap 2
This is called reading a "Chainsaw defense", where when someone defends a scum by attacking their attacker is probably also scum themselves.
At this same time. Ange kept trying to bait reasons why I thought her case was weaker than mine. She then turns this around and calls me out for soft defending zork. even though she initiated the discussion.
Again, reading a chainsaw defense.
Trap 1
She then several times today in this thread asked me leading questions and then immediately takes the answers SHE SOUGHT FOR and used them as EVIDENCE. trap trap trap.
That's not trapping, that's good townie work. Answering questions shouldn't automatically exonerate you of guilt.
the same pattern between myself and jingle of setting up predictable responses to leading questions and then using the answers as EVIDENCE. jingle called her out on it immediately. I was stupid enough to fall for it. But if I am being trapped by ange777 and jingle is. then it stands to reason that we are both town.
That's not called setting up a predictable response. That's more akin to approaching the situation with a hypothesis.
Basically, after Ange's brave read and lynch on Zork, I'm almost 99% certain that he (she? not sure) is town.
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On August 07 2012 01:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection. I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to? You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic. I know better than to try and alter your convictions when you have something stuck in your head. So i will leave it at I agree to disagree.
Why are you doing this for JingleHell, but spent so much time arguing against aRyuujin and Ange?
If you're convinced that aRyuu and Ange are scum, then shouldn't you be abandoning/ignoring them, and trying to persuade JingleHell?
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On August 07 2012 04:44 Ange777 wrote:
Back home. Catching up.
Ange, just for your benefit, here are the big plays that have happened:
I shifted my vote to DP, because I don't see how he could know Jingle is town without knowing everyone's alignments through being mafia.
Alan reaffirmed his vote in Jingle but thinks DP is scum too. His only post in the past 24 hours.
GK thinks Jingle is bigger scum than DP so is voting Jingle
DP and Jingle have been having an argument in the thread
Jingle sounds less angry/more contributory
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Alright guys, great job.
1 main thing here:
We need to agree on an action plan ASAP, as between Ange and I, one of us is likely to die tonight. If I go, I'm going to bestow upon Ange the confirmed townie hat. If Ange goes, well, that kinda sucks too.
I'll post up my proposal for an action plan later.
Woot.
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EBWOP just read he was GF too.
Got the bastard, nice.
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On August 07 2012 00:27 alan133 wrote:I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping. @aRyuIt did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes. If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time. @JingleHis recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible. Also, he refused to defend attacks, and disregard all of them as WIFOM and since then only passively comment on cases, after the DP vote. @DarthPunkI said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No? Also, this: Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town. I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.
Alan's post here explains pretty clearly why he wasn't going with a DP lynch vote. He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town. Part of the reason why I delayed my vote for as long as I did was to make sure that no one could sheep the final vote.
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He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm not sure if he was town.
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He was calling out a Jingle/DP scenario miles before I hammered DP, so I'm pretty sure he is town.
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Ange, you and I need to get cases out the door before the night cycle ends. I'm almost 99% certain one of us is going to die tonight. Also, after the night cycle is over, I'd like for our medic to roleclaim. There's only one scum left, so if a scum counterclaims, they pretty much are surrendering since the town can absorb exactly one mislynch and still win.
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Scratch what I just wrote. I just read this quote by Zorkmid after Night 1:
On July 30 2012 09:14 Zorkmid wrote:Since we've been told that: Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
Day post is flavour only, there are no clues to night events within it All that we really know is that we have a roleblocker(medic or otherwise), and that that roleblocker saved a kill. (I don't buy the idea that mafia didn't use a KP, especially not in a newbie game). From this I can infer that the same person viewed as most dangerous by mafia, was viewed as the most valuable townie by the roleblocker. I'm too tired to do any analysis. And frankly from the tone about my posting, I don't have much desire to.
If you are a medic, DO NOT CLAIM. The mafia could have just passed on the first nightkill since they felt like they could afford to after picking off a vig with a mislynch. So it's not necessarily a given that there is a medic in the game.
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