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On July 30 2012 09:20 Keirathi wrote:
No need to get angry.
Our JOB as townies is to question people's motives. We have to wonder if you were really busy or using it as a convenient excuse to lurk.
If you want to prove us wrong, don't shout at us that you were busy. PROVE that you can be an active, productive member of the town via constructive posts and well-reasoned arguments.
Sorry, you're right.
Apologies for the tone of last post.
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After reading the last 50 or 60 posts in this thread, one of the things that jumped out at me was this:
On July 30 2012 11:21 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 10:44 Promethelax wrote:
I wanted to know why it was those two mosre than the other three. That is why you feel that your cases against them are better than the ones against Me, Mord and Zork.
goodkarma - I just can't imagine a townie reasoning for his disrupting discussions and bringing us back to talking about lurkers repeatedly. Add in to that the case that you made, and for now I feel the strongest about him.
Let's have a look at GK!
Goodkarma says that he was hesistant to "join the Mordanis lynch bandwagon" early on in the game, a statement in keeping with his lurker policy. At this point he voted for aRyuujin, while averring his suspicions of MrMedic and Promethelax for the same reasons.
He then changed his vote from aRyuujin to Golbat, at that time it was the 5th vote on Golbat. GK explains why he didn't vote for shady " he has provided some meaningful discussion for the town, and hasn't jumped on every bandwaggon he sees...".
I'm curious as to why after dropping his vote on aRyujin, he leapt to Golbat next, and not those he was originally suspicious of: Myself, Obvious and MrMedic. I know I voted for the same guy, but I'm just a bit surprised at your choice to vote for Golbat given your "call to action".
GK, would you have been likely to change your vote a second time, had Golbat done a better job of defending himself?
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I also want to note that I am at work now, and golfing after work.
It's 11AM EDT here, at work until 4PM EDT, golfing at 5.
There may be more posts from me before 4, but then nothing between 4-10PM, maybe another post then.
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@alan133
What do you say about Obv's case against you? The post was almost two hours before yours, but you make no mention of it.
Did you just not see it?
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MrMedic, I really would like to hear a little bit more from you.
I don't have any strong scum reads at this point at all, and the whole Golbat thing leaves me gun shy to start pushing up on another active poster. Unless I reach some epiphany soon, or am convinced by someones case, my next vote will likely fall upon a lurker.
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On July 30 2012 18:37 Ange777 wrote:
TLDR:
I don't really understand what exactly it is that is supposed to make me scummy. You might say that I am throwing suspicion at every single player (which is an exaggeration!) but I am only trying to get people to talk by pointing out flaws in their posting. Golbat was not online otherwise I would have pressured him for more information so I looked into other players instead.
Something doesn't sit right with me about this post....
If I were you, and it was my goal to look into other players, I would strongly consider moving my vote onto them. It's very tough to pressure a player so late in a day cycle when other players have multiple votes hanging over them.
A vote on GK would have been much scarier than a FoS, don't you think?
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I'm happy to have a vote against me on a basis other than activity!
It does kinda suck waking up everyday to 50 new posts when I was watching the thread all day yesterday and like 6 or 7 posts popped up, none of any value, but I guess everyone can't be on the same schedule.
Schedule today: It's 8:30, I'm at work until 5 (might be another post or two out of me if I get some time), I think I'm going to be around the house afterwards, but I need to mow the lawn and stuff. Might be some evenings posts out of me.
As for this:
On July 31 2012 20:24 Ange777 wrote:I'll be out for a few hours. For now I am putting my vote on Zorkmid for: - semi-lurking - playing inconsistently: he previously stated that he believes Shady to be suspicious and goodkarma seems to be on his scum list as well but now he says Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:47 Zorkmid wrote:
I don't have any strong scum reads at this point at all, and the whole Golbat thing leaves me gun shy to start pushing up on another active poster. - waiting for others to start cases in order to sheep them Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:47 Zorkmid wrote:
Unless I reach some epiphany soon, or am convinced by someones case, my next vote will likely fall upon a lurker. We have ~9 hours till deadline so I want to see something good coming from you Zork! ##Vote Zorkmid
I honestly just forgot about SS, but your accusation has led me to go back through his filter. I've noticed that he has never addressed my accusation about him.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2012 13:29 Shady Sands wrote:
When you look at all that, and the weak logic against Keir, then what you see is the following pattern:
Mordanis first claims that Keir is the likeliest candidate for lynching because he a likely candidate to be red. Then he backs off and claims that Keir could go red or green. Then he argues that we should lynch controversial candidates first. The point is, lynching controversial candidates would be fine, if it were not for the fact that Mordanis is the only one stirring up controversy about Keir. This totally smacks of a Red finding out his original tactic for generating a bandwagon has failed, acknowledging that he is the only one arguing for a lynch, and then stating that because he is the only one arguing for a lynch, the person is "controversial" and should be lynched.
What? I see this as a GIANT leap of reasoning, and I still see Mordanis's case as an attempt (albeit a clumbsy one) to get the ball rolling in XXII.
I don't know if he didn't see this, or didn't feel he had to defend himself from it. He was under attack from Ange, and Prom around this same time.
The other thing that I notice is that since the night post, the only posts that he has made have concerned:
1. Speculation about what night actions happened.
2. C9++ format possibilities
3. Posted massive quote walls with a useless sentence at the end.
This is in stark contrast to his heavy activity earlier in the game. This could mean that he is part of the mafia, and that the medic save/roleblock in night 1 has confused the reds to the point where they haven't figured out how to proceed. It could also mean that Shady is mafia switching up strategies because he had so much heat on him day 1, and he wants to duck it by being more selective about what he
If I vote for MrMedic and he is Modkilled does that mean my vote is wasted?
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About this:
On July 31 2012 22:28 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 18:33 Promethelax wrote:
Since this case he has continued to play in a way that makes him seem scummy to me.
IN this post which follows on the lack of NK he says Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 06:22 goodkarma wrote:ghost, you gave me such a heart attack lol. When I first read your post I thought I was dead... Great story though. Five stars  . which is odd given that he had been playing as if he was sure he would live to the morning and this is a really subtle way to say to people “I'm town too, I'm scared of dying” without coming out and saying that you are town. So, first you believe showing relief to still be alive would be suspicious for a townie to do when his name is spelled out in the night post like that?
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About this:
On July 31 2012 22:28 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 18:33 Promethelax wrote:
Since this case he has continued to play in a way that makes him seem scummy to me.
IN this post which follows on the lack of NK he says Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 06:22 goodkarma wrote:ghost, you gave me such a heart attack lol. When I first read your post I thought I was dead... Great story though. Five stars . which is odd given that he had been playing as if he was sure he would live to the morning and this is a really subtle way to say to people “I'm town too, I'm scared of dying” without coming out and saying that you are town. So, first you believe showing relief to still be alive would be suspicious for a townie to do when his name is spelled out in the night post like that?
I also think that your "relief post" is strange. It's sort of WIFOM, but I don't think that as a green or blue I would ever post something like that. It's just yelling out "I'm A TOWNIE huehuehue". I wouldn't post it because it reeks of redness
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EBWOP sorry about that first one, I hit post instead of preview.
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On July 31 2012 18:45 Promethelax wrote:
@DarthPunk
My day two play is how I play the game when I have enough time. I'm glad you found my day one helpful and I'll try to replicate the strength of the cases I built but you'll note that d1 I had my SS case and since that point I have made others which are at least as strong (in my eyes stronger).
I honestly don't feel that I am jumping up and down saying “oooh me I'm green! I'm green!” I am explaining the reasons for my play and my actions. As I said there are three goals that I have as a townie.
The bolded section of this quote is the MOST flagrant example of saying "oooh me I'm green! I'm green!" that I can imagine. This comes after questioning GK's "relief claim" after the flavored night post (which I agree, is not something I'd do if I were green or blue)
Darthpunk's attack on you doesn't hold any weight if your posting history is free from a green claim post like that. But it does now.
We as town do win through living and having more obvious townies is a huge asset that is why Mason is an incredibly strong role.
Add to this that you're now doing the same thing and sounds like you're probably planning on claiming Mason, given your upcoming explanation.
I have an explanation for the buddying thing that you are unhappy with that I will reveal before the end of the night cycle. It has a good motivation and I promise town that I will explain it before the end of n2.
I hope that it's a good one. Let's see your "spreadsheet".
If you're claiming Mason, there are going to have to be some other claims to back this up.
##VOTE: Promethelax
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Ange, I'm curious if you could elaborate about why you think that GK's "relief post" isn't scummy.
The flavor post might have seemed to GK like a good chance to make a post like that, sort of a fake breadcrumb.
The post would have scared the shit out of me too, but I would still absolutely would not post about it.
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I guess I understand what you're saying about the GK post, but I don't agree.
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On August 01 2012 03:41 Ange777 wrote:
We have almost only 2 hours left till deadline and 6 guys still haven't voted yet ...
Sad shit.
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Glad to hear it Mord.
I have to say, that if 5 people don't vote, and the game mods do nothing about it, I'm going to lose interest in this game BIG TIME.
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On August 01 2012 04:33 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:28 Keirathi wrote:
Also, I just want to add that I am curious about Prom's pseudo-claim. We know we have another blue role (Medic or Roleblocker) or that mafia held their KP to fake claim medic (which despite aRyuujin and Zorkmid's pessimism, I DO feel like is a possibility in a newbie game). In my first game ever I rolled scum and I would have never thought of that possibility. What would they gain by faking a medic?
Later on the game they could say:
"I am a medic
On day 1, I saved player X."
Might be done to save a mafioso under pressure, or to try and draw out any blues.
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I'm leaving work, be home in 30-40 mins. When I get back, I hope that everyone has voted!
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I don't understand how Prom could harp on others about town claim posts and then make one himself.
Fuck.
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