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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#1601
@s&b
sorry lol. I know the feeling

Since your're so bored, I'll share a random thought I had about why scum might have wanted to RB milton:

D1: milton accuses talis hard
D2: good cases are made against talis but milton suddenly finds talis not scummy

when you keep in mind that talis flipped GF, maybe scum thought milton was cop who sensibly checked talis (one of his top targets) but got an 'inno'.

Overall, I don't actually think this is too likely since random far-fetched theories like this are hardly ever right, but it's food for thought.

@milton
Please don't comment on this. Don't want to give maf any information on your role.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 17:41 GMT
#1602
@s&b
also I don't want to discuss anything too serious right now because I think anything we say could help maf with the NK. After 5PM we can talk.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 20 2012 18:36 GMT
#1603
I agree with scib. We've got an hour before the day post to discuss things. This is a huge benefit to the town and we should use it accordingly.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 20 2012 19:52 GMT
#1604
I've pestered Mattchew a few times for a read on Risen...which was lucky because I've been keenly aware of the weird answers he gave.

On July 14 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote:
Imma read into risen now


This was leading up to the day 1 lynch. He never followed through.

On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion.

His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?

his effort and his not giving a fuck style

he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly.

This leads me to my next scum candidate.

Gonzaw.

I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis.

I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight


This should really be all you need. Read Risen's filter up to that time-stamp and see if YOU see any inconsistencies or logic holes.

When Risen went off the deep end recently, I questioned Matt about the read:

On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion.

His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?

his effort and his not giving a fuck style

he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly.

This leads me to my next scum candidate.

Gonzaw.

I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis.

I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight


Is this statement still true Mattchew?

Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway


He still clings to that town read, despite the reasons for making that read originally being no longer valid.

And regarding the cop claim:

On July 20 2012 00:05 Mattchew wrote:
Announcement:

I dont care about Risen's alignment today. He claimed cop, no one counter claimed, and no one has claimed any other blue role, which with a GF flip and no mason buddy claim makes me believe he is telling the truth.


This is like the worst reason ever to clear a cop claim. The absolute first thing you must do is check the person's filter to see if the cop claim matches their play. Set-up speculation must come after. You had better believe that a scum Mattchew would have been ALL OVER this claim if Risen is actually town. This would have been such an easy mis-lynch for scum to direct, for a number of reasons.

But Mattchew stubbornly sticks to that town read, for pretty much no good reason. Doesn't vet the cop claim, also for no good reason.

I think this is a pretty strong connection, and makes a lot of sense with Risen as scum.
ATOBTTR
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 20 2012 20:35 GMT
#1605
Why would scum Risen "confirm" 2 players as town (S&B and you) last day if he was buddies with Mattchew?

Granted it would reduce the pool of suspects and increase the chances him or Mattchew are lynched, right? (which effectively happened, and hell even people like Keirathi or Dropbear and other guys later wanted Risen lynched as well).

I know scum Risen can do crazy stuff...but that crazy stuff is generally used to confuse town even more, not to help town.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 20 2012 20:42 GMT
#1606
On July 21 2012 05:35 gonzaw wrote:
I know scum Risen can do crazy stuff...but that crazy stuff is generally used to confuse town even more, not to help town.

I think town was pretty damn confused yesterday, and like I said, we lynched Mattchew despite Risen claiming cop, not because of it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 20 2012 20:45 GMT
#1607
Well, I wasn't, it "confirmed" solstice and S&B to me.
Whether it made me "unsure" about Risen's claim or not...it confirmed 2 guys as town, you can't deny that (it actually confirmed them as town if you think Risen is scum).

I was actually suspicious of solstice and planning to read his filter and maybe going after him.....Risen basically allowed me to focus on Mattchew and not care about solstice.

Meh, hopefully scum don't have a RBer and kill him tonight or something.

Even then Risen has to survive 3 night kills and 3 lynches to win as scum, I doubt he could do that.
Also he may be faking his "I fake-claimed cop last day" to avoid getting shot/RBed by scum, so tomorrow we'll know if his claim is legit or not.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 20 2012 20:55 GMT
#1608
Mattchew assumed that he was in a pretty good spot following his bus. Risen however was not, so they had to address that. The fake cop claim, if everyone buys it, sets them up pretty good.

s&b was reading pretty strongly town anyway, so really he only 'confirmed' me.

It's a worthwhile price to pay to give them:

Mattchew: heavily pushed the lynch of confirmed scum on day 2
Risen: claimed cop with two green checks

This gives them a lot of options going forward. If people buy the claim, they have 'cop' and a proven 'scum-hunter.' If they had managed to get your lynch to go though gonzaw, they wouldn't have been that far from lylo.

ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 20:57 GMT
#1609
lol flurry of discussion right before 5PM
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 20 2012 20:58 GMT
#1610
And honestly, the number of lies Risen has told this game should make you want to lynch him anyway. There's a reason Lynch-all-Liars exists...it's because scum have far, far greater motivation to lie than townies do. When you are lynching a proven liar, you are probably also lynching scum.
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 20:59 GMT
#1611
@s0Lstice
Do you think risen is more likely to be VT or cop right now?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 21:01 GMT
#1612
@risen
night action deadline has passed. Are you claiming VT or cop? For real..
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 20 2012 21:02 GMT
#1613
On July 21 2012 05:59 sciberbia wrote:
@s0Lstice
Do you think risen is more likely to be VT or cop right now?


Since it is deadline, my antagonizing him all night was in the hope that he was actually cop and trying to get out of being NK'd by saying he was VT.

I figured if I antagonized him enough, mafia would have less reason to kill him. But if they have a RB'er, then they had no reason to kill him anyways.

Just a hopeful ploy!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 20 2012 21:03 GMT
#1614
Night action deadline is up correct? I just want to make sure.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 21:04 GMT
#1615
@miltonkram
yes it is. no night actions can be changed
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#1616
of those two options, i'd say VT. I find it really hard to believe that he would out himself as an actual cop with 2 green checks to show for it.

If he is town, he wouldn't be at huge risk of scum killing him because there were plenty of people suspicious of him. He's smart enough to know this. Also, if he was actually a cop, I believe he would have saved that claim for when he was legitimately in danger of being lynched, not right after the day post.
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#1617
On July 18 2012 06:34 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Night action deadline passed (over half an hour ago) and thus night actions may not be changed.

Daypost in 25.


note the timestamp
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 20 2012 21:07 GMT
#1618
Endgame in 54 minutes, stay tuned
The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 20 2012 21:07 GMT
#1619
Will the fucking Mason claim now? For the love of god...
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 20 2012 21:07 GMT
#1620
yayyyyy!!! gg??
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