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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 19 2012 22:54 GMT
#1581
Ergo I fake claimed to save myself and we got scum in the end and 4 confirmed townies in me, Keir, s0L, and Milton. You can't expect much better than that. Policy lynching liars is stupid.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 19 2012 22:55 GMT
#1582
And even with gonzaw not truly confirmed I think that buys him at least a day of not being lynched.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2012 23:06 GMT
#1583
did you forget about the bus day 1? being on board with the mattchew lynch doesn't make anyone confirmed town in my eyes, except maybe solstice.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#1584
On July 20 2012 08:06 strongandbig wrote:
did you forget about the bus day 1? being on board with the mattchew lynch doesn't make anyone confirmed town in my eyes, except maybe solstice.

Lol really now. You're just sounding ultra scummy here speculating about that. Any of us except gonzaw could have sat on our gonzaw vote and gonzaw would have been lynched not Mattchew. You're reaching here bc you're looking scummy as shit since you're one of the guys who wasn't on mattchew.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
July 19 2012 23:11 GMT
#1585
On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did.


rofl this suddenly has new meaning
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 19 2012 23:14 GMT
#1586
On July 20 2012 08:11 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did.


rofl this suddenly has new meaning

Nice find lol
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 19 2012 23:18 GMT
#1587
s&b is absolutely right Risen. my filter was pretty dodgy for the first two days.

you saying I was a strong town read seems like a lie, just like your cop claim was a lie.

I really don't see any reason to not lynch you tomorrow. I said I would go through your filter, and I will, but your desperate thrashing about is proof in the pudding.

now you are calling s&b scummy? just lol
ATOBTTR
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 19 2012 23:21 GMT
#1588
On July 20 2012 08:18 s0Lstice wrote:
s&b is absolutely right Risen. my filter was pretty dodgy for the first two days.

you saying I was a strong town read seems like a lie, just like your cop claim was a lie.

I really don't see any reason to not lynch you tomorrow. I said I would go through your filter, and I will, but your desperate thrashing about is proof in the pudding.

now you are calling s&b scummy? just lol


I reread your filter and got a more town feel from you after you didn't die.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 19 2012 23:53 GMT
#1589
@Risen: I really don't like how you're trying to claim credit for the lynch.

Play of the year? Fuck no.

We lynched Mattchew DESPITE you, not because of you.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 20 2012 00:01 GMT
#1590
On July 20 2012 08:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Risen: I really don't like how you're trying to claim credit for the lynch.

Play of the year? Fuck no.

We lynched Mattchew DESPITE you, not because of you.

Lol I'm pretty sure I'm the one who made the crucial swap.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 20 2012 00:05 GMT
#1591
On July 20 2012 09:01 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 08:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Risen: I really don't like how you're trying to claim credit for the lynch.

Play of the year? Fuck no.

We lynched Mattchew DESPITE you, not because of you.

Lol I'm pretty sure I'm the one who made the crucial swap.


On someone you didn't even think was scum.

On July 20 2012 06:47 Risen wrote:
I think matt is town. I'm playing to win, though, because by voting him town will come around to my way of thinking... Or something.


Swapping to avoid a no-lynch doesn't win you any credit.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 20 2012 00:06 GMT
#1592
On July 20 2012 09:05 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 09:01 Risen wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Risen: I really don't like how you're trying to claim credit for the lynch.

Play of the year? Fuck no.

We lynched Mattchew DESPITE you, not because of you.

Lol I'm pretty sure I'm the one who made the crucial swap.


On someone you didn't even think was scum.

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 06:47 Risen wrote:
I think matt is town. I'm playing to win, though, because by voting him town will come around to my way of thinking... Or something.


Swapping to avoid a no-lynch doesn't win you any credit.

Lol gonzaw was getting 5 when I swapped. Someone else would have gotten on him. Honestly where's gonzaw if you're town you should be backing me up here
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 20 2012 02:30 GMT
#1593
I had 5 votes and Mattchew 3 (me+solstice+Milton) when Risen swapped.

Although it was Milton who started the "last-minute wagon" (and he should get most of the credit), Risen was the second one and had he not done that (even if he said he thought Matt was town...even more incentive to NOT change his vote) I would have been lynched.


However had sciberbia or S&B or anyone of those that had voted me changed their vote to Matt Matt would have been lynched and Risen would have looked pretty bad, so if he's scum I could see him bussing Matt like that just to "get the cred" someone else would have gotten if he had not done it.

Hmm...still, I'm not that sure. If Matt is scum it doesn't make much sense to claim he got a green check on S&B/solstice, considering it enhances the chances Mattchew dies and it makes it impossible for scum to cast doubt on those 2.


If you still think I'm scum...:

I'd argue that if both me and Mattchew were scum this would be an EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT play from both of us.
Basically some of you guys are saying me and Mattchew both bussed the hell out of each other since N2.
....for what purpose? Right now we are 7v1.
If I'd have done this "just for the town cred" (no matter who of me or Mattchew was lynched), then I would still need to survive 3 lynches and justify not dying 3 nights, and that would raise mayor red flags and I'm sure I'd get lynched soon because of that (specially if I was scum...since well I'd be scum and I'd slip or something).

Well...maybe this is "pointless speculation you could have easily done as scum" so I'll drop it. I just want you to read the thread from D2 and D3 knowing Mattchew and talis are scum and see what scum motivation I had in my actions.


I am not really sure I'll get killed tonight, but it's a possibility (Risen/Milton/Keirathi are other possibilities). I doubt we have a JK at all, but JK, if you exist please don't forget to target someone tonight


Tomorrow all the pieces will fit together with the massclaim. At least we'll know who that mason is and if we have a JK, and if Risen fake-claimed or not, that will answer lots of questions.


Hey Dropbear, where you at?
You've been the only player that hasn't chimed in since Mattchew's flip I think, are you his buddy?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 20 2012 02:56 GMT
#1594
If we do have hidden blues somehow, please claim right before the deadline if you have any info to give us (if you are JK who you targeted each night, if you are Cop who you checked, etc etc), in case you get shot.

sciberbia, you better tell us if you were RBed or not tomorrow. I take it it's possible the JK targeted scum on N1 and scum decided not to claim RBed (for some reasons....?), maybe the JK jailed talis or something >_> <_<
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 20 2012 06:51 GMT
#1595
so it's still possible keirathi is scum, and just thought a gonzaw lynch was so certain that he could leave his vote on matt for distancing purposes. however, that seems less likely than the last scum being either gonzaw or one of the people who didn't vote for mattchew.

sciberbia is possible scum but i just think it doesnt seem likely because of the talismania flip - that would mean the godfather lynch wagon was pushed almost entirely by scum.

That leaves DerpBear. Who I already thought was scum, if you'll recall. Let's lynch him tomorrow.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 20 2012 09:12 GMT
#1596
Too bad no one's posted in the two hours since I left home this morning...

Anyway expanding on my post above this one, since I'm saying "we should be looking for scum among the people who didn't vote for Mattchew", I guess I should address the possibility that I might be scum.

It's true - I did defend Mattchew. That's because I thought he was town; he had me fooled. Before this game, I've played three with him - he was scum in two of them, and I had him read correctly in both. In one of those games I vig shot him, in the other I tried to get him lynched but was foiled by a last-minute switch. Anyway, the point is I felt pretty confident in my ability to read him as scum. In Holy Roman mafia, he played a very active scum game, trying to exert a lot of thread presence and move town in his direction. In MTG mafia, he played the opposite, super lurking but keeping himself just townier-looking than some of the actual townies who slipped up or were playing poorly. But I thought I'd found enough similarities between those games that I could read his scum play; however, that turns out to have been incorrect. I should have paid more attention this game to his play N2 and D3 rather than sticking with my townread based on his D1 and D2 play.

So there's my townie motivation for defending Mattchew and trying to get people to switch to Gonzaw - I had a townread on Mattchew that I felt kind of confident in, and I wanted to defend my townread and get people to switch to Gonzaw, who I have a lot of trouble reading in general but who Mattchew and Sciberbia, both of whom I had townreads on and both of whom were behind the Talismania lynch, felt strongly was scum and were making pretty convincing cases about.

So there you go. My motivation right now is to put as much information out there as I can to back up my position, which is "we should lynch into the group (dropbear, sciberbia, gonzaw)."

Those are the people who didn't vote for Mattchew, plus Gonzaw minus me.

Within that group we should be lynching dropbear; I think my case on him for not following his own advice and other things still holds true, plus I think sciberbia is town. Gonzaw could still be scum but he speaks truth when he says that the way he and Matt went after each other would be terrible strategy; and after Liar Game I think if there's one thing he's good at it's scum strategy.

If you still think I'm scum I guess that's fair given my last vote and what I tried to get the thread to do at the end of D3; but I'll just point out that I did put the hammer on Talismania, which (if a bus) would have been the worst bus ever since I didn't actually post cases on him or put myself in a position to gain from his flip. I'll be willing to defend myself or answer questions or whatever. But I really think we should be lynching dropbear.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 20 2012 09:15 GMT
#1597
Also gonzaw what do you mean by "massclaim"? It seems apparent at this point that we probably don't have any blues except the mason partner left, since if we had a vig someone would be dead, if we had a JK someone townier-looking than Milton would have claimed RB, and if we had a cop he would have counterclaimed Risen. (Or at least, I think that would be the correct play, I'm not sure).

I guess it's possible we have a JK left and they jailed Milton, but that's not a claim we can easily confirm since a scum roleblocker could also claim JK; I'm not sure what a JK claim gains us tomorrow, it's not like that person would be confirmed town.

I kind of agree that the Mason should claim, but I guess they want to save that until they are in danger of being lynched (that's the only reason I could see for them not claiming yesterday); I just hope they claim before LYLO because at LYLO the mason claim is useless unless it was breadcrumbed by Austin before he died.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 13:12 GMT
#1598
On July 20 2012 07:07 Miltonkram wrote:
s0Lstice, all credit goes to you buddy.

I owe you some pleasure time, heh heh

Gonzaw, you get the begrudging pleasure time.


LOL I missed this somehow

Anyway, still filter diving. The connection between Mattchew and Risen seems pretty strong. Hopefully I find a little chunk of time to post some more extensive thoughts, but right now I'm still very much interested in killing Risen tomorrow.
ATOBTTR
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 20 2012 17:14 GMT
#1599
braaagh the one day when i finally have some time to post from work and no one posts anything whatsoever T_T

post more guyz!!!!!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
July 20 2012 17:26 GMT
#1600
On July 21 2012 02:14 strongandbig wrote:
braaagh the one day when i finally have some time to post from work and no one posts anything whatsoever T_T

post more guyz!!!!!

It's night and I needed a break to clear my mind of the clusterfuck we had yesterday.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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