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On July 10 2012 09:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Totally relevant. Finally: What I love so deeply... + Show Spoiler [wtf] + + Show Spoiler [norly] + + Show Spoiler [stopclickingthese] + You are my friend. Except that trust part. Cause you're crazy as scum. e: WTF LINKS DON'T WORK IN SPOILERS hahahah wbg <3 | ||
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On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: note to self: sandroba confirmed scum. It's ok, we can deal with that later. riiight. deal with it later? kill me now if I'm confirmed scum, no? Do you actually have to wait for a message from above first? | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:53 supersoft wrote: Facts: - he posted these thoughts sponaneously, in a conversation with me with almost no time to rethink this stuff. - therefor I believe he honestly posted his thoughts. - there is some logic behind that and he's following his thoughts up with votes. I don't agree with him, but I cannot deny that this might be a possible scenario. someone has to be manager and someone has to be CEO. - His assumption only makes any sense if he's town. As scum this assumptions would be a complete overkill. - therefor I don't think he's scum. I don't agree at all. It's blazinghand we are talking about here not kurumi (apologies in advance, but you area bit crazy when you roll town. In fact you look red this game =P) . That thought process is either from someone who doesn't know better or someone who is pretending to do so. As sensible town, which from his previous games I'm certain he is capable of being he would analyze it from the perspective that either syllo or me or whoever he is jumping on currrently could be town and mistaken about him and see if that makes sense based on what he posted and the reasons we gave to finding him scummy. This decent role play right now doesn't magically erase how he completely botched his previous one. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote: You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think? Doesn't mean anything about syllo's alignment. He could be mafia or could be town, we have yet to see. The case wasn't that good until you responded to the pressure. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:10 supersoft wrote: yes of course, but do you think it's worth mentioning? This stuff is common sense. dont you think that these thought are rather thoughts a scumplayer has, because he has to control and plan who he accuses? No. I think in this game in particular, since most scum don't know each other, I think they will even more try to fit the "I must think and act like a townie" and try to represent that in thread, because it's the easier and most effective way to play day 1 with no information. What I'm seeing from BH is exactly that, a forceful and exaggerated caricature with no real purpose behind it, if not the one of looking townie. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Could you quote stuff? I didn't realize this was directed at me. I actually do think it's worth pointing out because in a normal game, the only people who suddenly change their minds are DTs who got a red (or green) check. Someone doing an about face is often a good way of lynching scum without having to claim DT. In this game however, it'll be scum doing about faces so I think it's good to get it out there so we don't have to sift through multiple DT claims later in the game. Why in hell are you still talking about this. Isn't there anything more productive for you to comment on? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote: CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh. | ||
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Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: On July 17 2012 05:02 Kurumi wrote: Was there every any doubt? Of course, you might've thought I was bluffing. Pretty sure chaos is fun! I was too bored to keep up, so I said "Very well, let's make it fun!" and so I did. Don't worry, that's one of the high ranks or CEO himself/herself down. So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote: Okay just one quick question: Could Kurumi have used his nuke without claiming he used it? I didn't see the "nuke post" saying "Kurumi launched a nuke" This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck (although I haven't read the thread so there may be something else to it >_> ) You haven't read the thread and yet you keep posting random things. Good job. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player? PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! Meh maybe I should have waited, but I think I'm pretty likely to get killed before getting another use anyway, seeing that the other players that could get shot instead of me are either trolling or not posting enough. Also the other advantage is now mafia will second guess every message they receive. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote: welp ##unvote ##vote: Kurumi Tomorrow we lynch Syllo Nope tomorrow we lynch you =P. You guys lynch syllo day 5 or so if he has not raped all mafia by then =) | ||
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We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. | ||
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Yeah I kind of want to kill BH too. Thing about laya that bothers me is that I didn't think mafia would be balsy enough to do what he just did. His filter is certainly lacking, but it is so obviously suspicious that I wonder if mafia wouldn't be more careful. | ||
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It can be basically summed up as he prodded someone in the very begging of the game and didn't follow up. He asked questions. He didn't bother defending himself (defense of yourself in mafia actually serves very little purpose imo). None of those things are pointing to one alignment or the other, so really what is your case? | ||
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The way syllo played so far actually is not similar to the way he did in responsibility mafia and you can see that reading your case. Here he questioning and prodding people and that actually produces information. On the examples you gave he was making general statements about game design, setup, etc, while staying away from actually giving out any useful information. The reason I think syllo may be scum this game has nothing to do with what he posted so far but actually what he hasn't posted compared to what I'd expect him to. However there could be another reasons besides being mafia that he is not fulfilling my expectations so that's why it's too early to tell. | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote: No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you? Sorry austinmcc, I refuse. Mafia has much more to gain from me claiming fully than town. Why exactly do you want to know? I could be mafia as chairman/president and kurumi my minion since he has a power. I could be minion with this power and used it in such manner, which makes it the same effectiveness as if I were town using it. Based on the information I presented to the thread is up to you to make a call on my alignment and kurumi's and I don't believe you need any extra information to make that call. @kurumi If somehow you are town it's going to be a very sad day for me, but you must realize the way you reacted to that msg makes you 99.9999% mafia and we have no option but to lynch/kill you. Also nuking a person who has not posted yet is not exactly the most townie thing to do and that's what made me suspicious in the first place. If somehow you are town you should look at yourself first before accusing me of playing badly. And you say I'm laying back and doing nothing when I'm one of the few arguing against the huge wagon on syllogism and actually trying to get BH lynched. @palmar I think the likelyhood that nukes are real is greater outweighs the safety of a day1 guaranteed scum lynch. If mafia has some ability to redirect nukes so be it, we lynch kurumi tomorrow and BH today instead of the contrary. Speaking of BH, have you checked how he reacted when he returned to the thread after being accused? Do you really buy that? | ||
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On July 18 2012 00:52 Palmar wrote: I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice. You've said that already, but why???? | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:37 layabout wrote: There is something very demoralising about being ignored and insulted. If we are killing someone other than Kurumi it should be someone that is being actively disruptive. Town shouldn't do that but scum benefit from it. You all seem to be fine ignoring cheznu so i suggest Q-bert-Z or Blazinghand. Laya, kurumi has been nuked by RoL. You can choose to play this game in 2 ways which will make people able to read you. The first one is to post constantly and try to figure out stuff as the thread goes, in which case making small posts and commenting on the current event is okay. The other is to post very little, but when you do make it significant and address all the issues and make sure you read the whole thread and touch on all the subjects you deem important. Your play so far, to me is just unacceptable. You need to give me something otherwise I simply can't help but conclude our best option is to get rid of you right now. | ||
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Before I didn't have this much influence so I could afford to be wrong and produce information by pushing someone hard. Now if I'm wrong it's likely to be way more damaging so excuse me while I weigh my options. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote: We can. I don't want to. Syllo hasn't made up a ridiculous role (I know some people don't agree, I still see the role as ridiculous). The main reason I'm pushing Sandro is because his role is ridiculous, and when offered a chance to reveal it (maybe it turns out his role is 1-shot, then it becomes believable and doesn't cripple mafia's only source of information once he reveals), he doesn't, despite thinking he's going to get shot. Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up. This post in retarded as fuck I'm sorry. Why wouldn't I as town opt to cripple mafia's only source having a role capable of doing so or not. Why would I opt to give mafia certainty instead of doubt? If I were mafia why would I not BS claim fully? You realize that even if I'm mafia I'm fucking my own team by doing this, since if I have this power as a minion only one person on the mafia team knows that I'm mafia as well. If you can explain me how I profit as mafia by doing what I did and how it is more likely for me to be mafia then town, you are free to keep yapping about your insane conspiracy theory. However if you insist on trying to force the situation into your own mold of reality I must conclude you have an agenda behind your posts. | ||
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So yeah, let's lynch austin. Leaves us more time to think about BH/Laya, which I'm not entirely positive on being scum yet. | ||
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On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote: Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment: Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations. Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. Well I used to think this way too till S&B did pretty much exactly this as scum in SS13. Sometimes you get frustrated at something as scum and just don't think much about the repercussions of what you are posting. | ||
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On July 18 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote: it was LIV, quickly followed by LV I don't understand your point. It's what slOosh says there - what's the payoff for going after sandroba and causing THIS discussion we're having now? Did austin really think he was going to get sandroba to claim to him and help scum or something? I don't think so. Your entire post (look! players who are good at scum without practice!) is effectively disproven by the fact that austin is close to getting lynched now for making a fucking dumbass play. As town or scum he must have thought I could have claimed otherwise there is no point even posting that. Scum does make dumbass plays, that's a privilege of townies. | ||
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On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie. i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else. He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion. | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote: I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote @Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again? Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment? | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:09 Probulous wrote: I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play. You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role? Just read what he said. It's basically your ability must be one-shot otherwise it's broken, thus you must be scum. If I claim my ability is one shot scum can not worry about it anymore. If I claim it's multi use they have to figure a way of making sure the msg they are getting are indeed from their superiors. So yeah every mafia member would love to know exactly what they are dealing with here. | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote: Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba? Yes, but mafia is not a single minded entity this game. Surely a minion wonders if the msg he receives today or tonight is trust worthy or not. | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote: In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role. I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour. I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch. Probulous, I'll give you something, gonzaw does seem mafia this game. That post you quoted of his vote on austin. Think about it from a mafia perspective: you don't know if the guy you are voting for is mafia or town. You can't bus it hard since it may look bad if he flips green (inherent guilt), but you can't really be off the wagon that ends up lynching a mafia if that seems like it will happen regardless. Gonzaw's post does seem to reflect this state of mind. | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote: In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right? Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me? Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw. On July 18 2012 09:30 sandroba wrote: Probulous, I'll give you something, gonzaw does seem mafia this game. That post you quoted of his vote on austin. Think about it from a mafia perspective: you don't know if the guy you are voting for is mafia or town. You can't bus it hard since it may look bad if he flips green (inherent guilt), but you can't really be off the wagon that ends up lynching a mafia if that seems like it will happen regardless. Gonzaw's post does seem to reflect this state of mind. | ||
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On July 18 2012 13:49 Bill Murray wrote: 1) I haven't seen BH's posting at all - I am not caught up - it was a ploy 2) I HAVE seen Gonzaw make excuses I don't like excuses BM really if you fuck this up and we end up with no lynch I'm gonna be srsly pissed off. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:02 Mattchew wrote: what do you make of BH thinking he was dead's posts Don't make anything of it. All it took was one person to get doubts and unvote for him to be saved. And actually he was safe all the time at 13. So yeah doesn't mean he is town and that's why I didn't unvote. Still would have liked for him to be lynched. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote: Actually honestly there's no excuse for no lynch here. ##unvote ##vote blazinghand That's past the deadline. Nice try though. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote: God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened Basically your team probably won the game. Gratz. | ||
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And Katina that post is horrible. You should know better than post that you are scum so clearly. I guess in this game it doesn't matter since we can't get anything done. | ||
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Win Conditions: Town wins when all the Mafia are dead Mafia wins when all the town are dead. As long as the higher ups are still alive this game is horribly imbalanced in favor of mafia. But IF we can kill them off soon all communication will be lost and this will be a long drawn out game where mafia and town both have to eliminate each other completely to win. So that should be our goal for the following days. | ||
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That was a trap too, that failed. I didn't msg anyone. | ||
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I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times. | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: I'm kinda amazed scum is still falling for this "get PMed by Sandro and fuck up" thing. Like, any townie who gets a PM will obviously tell the thread... why doesn't scum? It stands for Public Relations. Because if scum claims their msg and it wasn't actually from me they get fucked in the same manner. So they are probably afraid of claiming it. It's probably going to work again today =P | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:52 supersoft wrote: ah well he should have known that this wan't from his master. The masters should know the powers of the minions... good. We stick with kurumi then. Really? I can't find that in the OP. How do you know that? | ||
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That actually was a counter slip then, makes it unlikely ss is an executive unless he is really cunning. | ||
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On July 20 2012 08:15 Bill Murray wrote: i DID that, dude, you aren't reading? ill change meapaks vote to whoever you want if you all want to tell me whose vote to take tomorrow ill take it instantly Meh this answer is enough =) | ||
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Whoa, I didn't send kurumi the PM at night. I sent him a PM day 1, I thought that was obvious. Kurumi claimed recieving 2 PMs, mine and another one during the night. | ||
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Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message. | ||
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I picked someone I thought was mafia, I thought was minion and I believed there was a fair chance didn't get messaged already. Zealos seemed to be an optimal choice. | ||
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1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978 2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498 3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148 4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664 5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024 6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241 Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade! | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:22 Kurumi wrote: There was one thing I could do differently: Go serious mode and analyze the PM I get, then decide that it is a trap and I should probably say something about it. I was dead after I forgot about lack of 3rd parties and decided to follow the PM. My play was irrelevant. I wasn't Day 1 lynch candidate because of the Nuke, I was Day 1 candidate because I followed what sandroba told me to do in PM. I originally was going to pm palmar, I even had sent out the message already, but due to host not being available to execute it when palmar was in the thread and you nuking a random person I changed it to you. What I'm saying is that had you optimized your actions in a pro-town manner, you would never been put in that situation to begin with. I thought overall this setup really favors analysis, because of how lost mafia members are, their behavior is even more pronounced and easy to identify. I have no clue how to actually do well as mafia in this game, because I suck at it myself. I'm really curious as to why katina made that post though, which really blew my mind because she wasn't scum? Maybe some "stand up for my boyfriend" instinct? I would love if you could shed some light on that for me katina =) Also I'm very curious about the mafia messages and if the hosts could post it I'd love to read them. Overall I found the setup quite fun, but some of the stuff going on in the thread really annoyed me. First is the majority lynch and the deadline, the prior was already addressed and the latter was changed during the game. Second is the way some people go about this game, which really bothers me. The focus of the game should be winning and optimizing your actions and posts to actually achieve that purpose. It doesn't matter who gets the credit or who makes the call. What matters is that the right call is made. Also you should take into account every possibility, definitely, but you should go with and support the most likely one in thread, until evidence is presented to make you reconsider your stance. Going on and on about how someone COULD be mafia if the stars aligned and baby jesus wished it to be doesn't accomplish anything and can be said about almost anyone in the thread. It's okay to be wrong at first and support a mafia as long as you are open to change your mind should something come up, and you were given enough evidence that supporting that person is right. What's not okay is to not support a town person who is right on the off chance of them being mafia. By doing that you create every opening mafia needs to actually shut down the credibility of such person and camouflage amongst the paranoid townies. Third is people repeatedly signing up for games and not putting in the time to play it. Seriously, just don't sign up or ask for a replacement early. I'd like to thank the hosts for the game, as always they created a really interesting setup. | ||
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