Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 10 2012 09:41 wherebugsgo wrote:


Totally relevant.

Finally:

What I love so deeply...

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e: WTF LINKS DON'T WORK IN SPOILERS

On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote:
note to self: sandroba confirmed scum.

It's ok, we can deal with that later.

On July 17 2012 01:53 supersoft wrote:


Facts:

- he posted these thoughts sponaneously, in a conversation with me with almost no time to rethink this stuff.

- therefor I believe he honestly posted his thoughts.

- there is some logic behind that and he's following his thoughts up with votes. I don't agree with him, but I cannot deny that this might be a possible scenario. someone has to be manager and someone has to be CEO.

- His assumption only makes any sense if he's town. As scum this assumptions would be a complete overkill.

- therefor I don't think he's scum.

On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:


You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think?

On July 17 2012 02:10 supersoft wrote:
yes of course, but do you think it's worth mentioning? This stuff is common sense. dont you think that these thought are rather thoughts a scumplayer has, because he has to control and plan who he accuses?

On July 17 2012 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Could you quote stuff? I didn't realize this was directed at me. I actually do think it's worth pointing out because in a normal game, the only people who suddenly change their minds are DTs who got a red (or green) check. Someone doing an about face is often a good way of lynching scum without having to claim DT. In this game however, it'll be scum doing about faces so I think it's good to get it out there so we don't have to sift through multiple DT claims later in the game.

On July 17 2012 05:02 Kurumi wrote:

Was there every any doubt? Of course, you might've thought I was bluffing. Pretty sure chaos is fun! I was too bored to keep up, so I said "Very well, let's make it fun!" and so I did. Don't worry, that's one of the high ranks or CEO himself/herself down.

On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Okay just one quick question:

Could Kurumi have used his nuke without claiming he used it? I didn't see the "nuke post" saying "Kurumi launched a nuke"

This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck (although I haven't read the thread so there may be something else to it >_> )

On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote:
Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player?

PSA:
No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread!

On July 17 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote:
welp

##unvote
##vote: Kurumi

Tomorrow we lynch Syllo

On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote:

No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you?

On July 18 2012 00:52 Palmar wrote:
I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice.

On July 18 2012 03:37 layabout wrote:
There is something very demoralising about being ignored and insulted.

If we are killing someone other than Kurumi it should be someone that is being actively disruptive. Town shouldn't do that but scum benefit from it. You all seem to be fine ignoring cheznu so i suggest Q-bert-Z or Blazinghand.

On July 18 2012 05:50 austinmcc wrote:
We can. I don't want to. Syllo hasn't made up a ridiculous role (I know some people don't agree, I still see the role as ridiculous). The main reason I'm pushing Sandro is because his role is ridiculous, and when offered a chance to reveal it (maybe it turns out his role is 1-shot, then it becomes believable and doesn't cripple mafia's only source of information once he reveals), he doesn't, despite thinking he's going to get shot.

Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.

On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:

Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.

Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town.

On July 18 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:


it was LIV, quickly followed by LV

I don't understand your point. It's what slOosh says there - what's the payoff for going after sandroba and causing THIS discussion we're having now?

Did austin really think he was going to get sandroba to claim to him and help scum or something? I don't think so.

Your entire post (look! players who are good at scum without practice!) is effectively disproven by the fact that austin is close to getting lynched now for making a fucking dumbass play.

On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie.

i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else.

On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:


I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote.

Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today.

This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town.

Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time.
##unvote

@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?

On July 18 2012 09:09 Probulous wrote:



I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play.

You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role?

On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?

On July 18 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote:


In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role.

I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour.

I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch.

On July 18 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote:

In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right?

Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me?

Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw.

On July 18 2012 09:30 sandroba wrote:


Probulous, I'll give you something, gonzaw does seem mafia this game. That post you quoted of his vote on austin. Think about it from a mafia perspective: you don't know if the guy you are voting for is mafia or town. You can't bus it hard since it may look bad if he flips green (inherent guilt), but you can't really be off the wagon that ends up lynching a mafia if that seems like it will happen regardless. Gonzaw's post does seem to reflect this state of mind.

On July 18 2012 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:
1) I haven't seen BH's posting at all - I am not caught up - it was a ploy

2) I HAVE seen Gonzaw make excuses
I don't like excuses

On July 18 2012 14:02 Mattchew wrote:

what do you make of BH thinking he was dead's posts

On July 18 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually honestly there's no excuse for no lynch here.

##unvote
##vote blazinghand

On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote:
God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened

On July 19 2012 09:57 Kurumi wrote:

So?

On July 20 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm kinda amazed scum is still falling for this "get PMed by Sandro and fuck up" thing. Like, any townie who gets a PM will obviously tell the thread... why doesn't scum?


It stands for Public Relations.

On July 20 2012 07:52 supersoft wrote:


ah well he should have known that this wan't from his master. The masters should know the powers of the minions...
good. We stick with kurumi then.

On July 20 2012 08:15 Bill Murray wrote:
i DID that, dude, you aren't reading?
ill change meapaks vote to whoever you want
if you all want to tell me whose vote to take tomorrow ill take it instantly

On July 21 2012 03:23 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba didn't send Kurumi a PM

On August 04 2012 04:22 Kurumi wrote:

There was one thing I could do differently:
Go serious mode and analyze the PM I get, then decide that it is a trap and I should probably say something about it.
I was dead after I forgot about lack of 3rd parties and decided to follow the PM. My play was irrelevant.

I wasn't Day 1 lynch candidate because of the Nuke, I was Day 1 candidate because I followed what sandroba told me to do in PM.