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god damn that's twice today. EBWOP:
On July 18 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On July 18 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. This post, this post, this post. austin has never rolled scum yet and yet he's supposed to be making this sort of play as his first time? I don't see or understand it So what? Your first scum game was LV, wasn't it? Acrofales's first game ever was GoT and he basically crushed town that game. My first scum game was MLP and I didn't have a hard time playing mafia. it was LIV, quickly followed by LV I don't understand your point. It's what slOosh says there - what's the payoff for going after sandroba and causing THIS discussion we're having now? Did austin really think he was going to get sandroba to claim to him and help scum or something? I don't think so. Your entire post (look! players who are good at scum without practice!) is effectively disproven by the fact that austin is close to getting lynched now for making a fucking dumbass play.
so your argument is that if it's his first scum game, he won't be doing a very good play.
Clearly you just argued against your own point, did you not? Like you need a valid reason to actually consider him town. This is not a very good reason. The whole "but this play doesn't have scum benefits" doesn't really fly when your argument for him being town revolves around him not playing optimally. If he's not playing optimally then ofc it won't have clear scum benefits.
However all of that is kind of moot when it DOES have scum benefits. Outting sandro's role under the guise of a curious townie gives mafia info that they otherwise would not have. Easiest way to do that is to threaten to waste your vote until sandro claims, and then change it. A worse player than sandro may have just claimed and this whole situation would've disappeared long ago.
On July 18 2012 07:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:09 syllogism wrote:
If this was a normal setup his play would feel too audacious, but in this setup I'm not so sure as there is a lot of mafia and they are, especially at this stage, lone wolves and probably feel more free to push blatantly pro-mafia agenda. Moreover, this isn't the only problem I have with his play so far as he still hasn't posted anything that I would consider mafia hunting or given opinions on anyone at all, even though he promised some thoughts quite a while ago. ok this post is good because i can break it down into two parts 1) i just don't think austin would be blatant like you say there 2) you are absolutely correct that he hasn't scumhunted and that's why i'm torn on the lynch
You think a first time scum player wouldn't be so "blatant".
Isn't that what a lot of first time scum players are??!!
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we're not going to agree on it bugs.
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I think it's because you contradicted yourself. You don't even agree with yourself, how can you agree with anyone else?
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EBOWP: that's not a privilege of just townies.
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No, I didn't, you're just twisting it that way. My overall evaluation of that play is that austin as first time scum (read: a competent player in general) would not pursue something so dangerous. My opinion of his town play is that he's prone to chasing after these tangents and theories without much regard to the consequences like this.
Like it or lump it.
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On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie.
i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else.
He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.
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On July 18 2012 07:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie.
i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else. He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.
Which is why I'm unsure.
At the moment I think BH has a better chance of flipping scum. wbg's case on him earlier was strong and not a lot has changed since then. He's added little to town apart from defending himself and listing/sheeping people he wants to lynch. And I don't have that icky feeling that something is wrong with his lynch.
##Vote: BlazingHand
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On July 18 2012 07:17 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
well, whatever. I just don't think austin would think he could get sandroba to out his role like that. I read that as misguided townie.
i read as scum the fact that he does jack shit all else. He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.
haha I don't think he understands this.
He himself says he's torn on Austin's alignment yet he's using two different reasons to call Austin two different alignments, then says he disagrees when he doesn't have an opinion in the first place.
I always find it funny when people confuse themselves out of good lynches based on what they perceive to be a play they themselves would or would not make in another person's shoes. It's happened a lot before and it usually ends up being the wrong idea. People used it in GoT to say Acro couldn't be scum (no way a new scum would do this!). I did it in LIV where I said "no way scum would bus each other like this!" until Toad vet claimed...lol.
Happens all the time, Occam's Razor is our friend IMO. The simplest breakdown is that Austin has not scumhunted and he has solely been concerned with sandro's roleclaim. This is unprecedented behavior, because as town Austin at the very least comments on lynch candidates (such as BH and layabout in this game). So far all game he has done nothing but call for sandro's roleclaim. In addition he never (afaik) directly calls sandro scum.
Anyway I'm going to leave this here for now. The best lynches for today are Austin, BH, layabout. If we have 5-6 hours left then consolidation needs to occur soon.
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wbg I'm not stupid. stop patronising me.
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On July 18 2012 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
wbg I'm not stupid. stop patronising me.
I'm not patronizing you, you just don't seem to be aware of how your own posts come across.
You say two different conflicting things about austin and then try to argue one way when a few posts before you used the same reason to argue the opposite.
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I'm not so sure about BH right now and I don't see how austin's play makes sense from a town point of view. It's not just the fact the doubt the role claim as that is fine, but the way he did it seems to be indicative of a mafia mindset. I don't think his theory in the other game is quite like this and the context (lack of anything else) isn't the same. I would be fine with layabout as well given that he clearly doesn't care about the game.
I still think foolishness is likely mafia, but even so lynching one of the above is safer day 1 play.
##unvote kurumi
##vote austinmcc
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EBWOP: the fact that he doubted the role claim
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I'm saying I have things I read scummy and things I read as townie
I have literally 100 posts from austin in my inbox talking about mafia so I think I have an ok idea how his head works
I would like to see more from him to help determine his alignment and therefore I am voting someone I am more confident about (see above)
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HAHAHAHAHA you're killing another town?
because he is smarter than you?
jeez, thanks rol for nuking me, at least I'll blow up in style.
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It makes very little sense for austinmcc to take such a controversial stance as scum. I've never played with the guy before, but when something looks good and is agreed on by town, it's generally not scum who stand up and put their necks on the line to call town out on it.
I don't agree with him, but in a game where I was expecting mafia to be awfully self-aware, his play seems straight up counterproductive. It's a very weird/dumb/ballsy thing to do as mafia.
And no, BlazingHand is town. stop voting him.
Can we kill MZ instead pls?
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I think your read on BH is based on outdated meta
do not like
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I think you're both good and BH is confusing. :/
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never voted
##vote austinmcc
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