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On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town.
I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote.
Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today.
This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town.
Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time.
##unvote
@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?
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On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.
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On July 18 2012 08:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.
I'm warming to the idea myself. I can only take so many times hearing "God guys! So many posts! I don't have time for this! I'll be back when I have more time!"
I'm rereading Prob, you probably don't have time to join me but it's probably a good idea considering everything that's happened. I'm up to my dashing entrance into the fray. ^^
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On July 17 2012 06:17 gonzaw wrote:
When will this start?
If it starts soon I don't think I could handle so many games at the same time, but if it starts after one of the other games ends then it could.
On July 17 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote:
Man I thought I had time for this but now I have to go to uni all of a sudden (to check some test results).
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Anyways if there are any other 1st impressions you guys want from me I'll try and post before I leave (in like 30 minutes or so), but I wont' have time to read the thread before I leave (I'll be back in 4-5 hours I think, but even then I'll have to check the other 2 games I'm in that are in a more advanced state and require more care and effort than this one that's just a D1 clusterfuck from what I've skimmed).
On July 17 2012 11:55 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back.
Damn this game is weird as hell.
It should take me some time to read everything though, hopefully I can do it in 1-2 hours
On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
He is obviously communicating that we should lynch BH first
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On July 18 2012 08:36 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
I'd be much happier with a Gonzaw lynch.
I like your thought process
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On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?
Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment?
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Can a mafia member trying to act town please tally the votes for us without distort or pretending to make mistakes to increase your town rep?
ok, thanks
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Chezinu what do you think about layabout and risk.nuke sir? You don't have to tell me that their post-count is low - I'm aware.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Official Votecount
Blazinghand (way too many)
Some punks
Austinmcc (not enough)
some cool kids, a couple punks mixed in
MZ (3)
some cool kids, a couple punks mixed in
Syllo (like nobody for some reason)
some cool kids, a couple punks mixed in
other guys
guys
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On July 18 2012 08:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu what do you think about layabout and risk.nuke sir? You don't have to tell me that their post-count is low - I'm aware.
aww then I can't say than one is laying about lurking and the other is risking getting nuke... ok, I'm going to actually have to think for this one... (and read their posts for the first time?)
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On July 18 2012 08:52 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu what do you think about layabout and risk.nuke sir? You don't have to tell me that their post-count is low - I'm aware. aww then I can't say than one is laying about lurking and the other is risking getting nuke... ok, I'm going to actually have to think for this one... (and read their posts for the first time?)
Actually, your puns were appreciated. But yeah, I'd like you to read their posts and give me an opinion. Don't worry, won't take long.
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On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-
Doing scummy stuff
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On a more serious note, it's time to address Katina's case against me.--
OH WAIT.
JUST LIKE GGQ ITS ANOTHER VOTE WITH BASICALLY NO CASE.
"but wait blazinghand didn't she post some text, and also reference a previous post or something?"
wow ok let me help you man. You need help. You see, she did post some text, but most of it was talking about "what's happening presently"-- there was no analysis, not even a summary of other people's analysis. Check it out:
On July 18 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.
##Unvote Kurumi
##Vote Blazinghand
Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.
What the dicks is this? This is "oh blazinghand hasn't been around a bit" (at a time i'm literally posting in the thread) and like "oh i wonder how he'll flip"
goddamn, make some analysis! This is like only marginally better than GGQ's vote post. MARGINALLY. And you know, you can tell it's a problem too when HiroPro, who, btw, is like TOTES down to lynch me is like WAT
On July 18 2012 06:54 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Katina, you've never mentioned anything about BH before. Why lynch him? I mention him briefly in one of my posts early on. I said I wanted to see more from him until I make decision. I was watching him closely because people were always talking about him. At the time I thought the cases on Palmar and Foolishness were stronger. When Syllo popped up I thought he was more suspicious as well. So I was merely attacking them until I was more confident in Blazinghand's alignment.I have never been against his lynch if I was I would have said something early on. Especially when he started getting votes.
oh yeah clearly she was onto me early, right?
Let's go take a look:
On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote:
As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him.
WAT
THATS EVERYTHING SHE WROTE
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Chezinu: I've quoted everything Katina has wrote about me. If I hadn't quoted the voting, for all you know she could be voting anyone else! He vote on me has NO justification and it is ENCASED, SWADDLED in equivocation and lies.
The equivocation and lies of a scum player trying to hop on what appears to be an easy wagon.
Yes, my friends, this isn't someone who made a case. Not even someone who QUOTED a case.
This is just someone who dropped a dman vote on me and dipped up out of here.
Someone who wanted to get under the radar.
scum.
##unvote
##vote: Katina
SPEARS
OF
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Gonzaw
He really impressed me with his play in the iGrok game when he was town but here he has been underwhelming to say the least. Compare a typical post from that game
On June 11 2012 06:24 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. I noticed that too; but I wanted to wait and see how he behaves after that. I didn't see any aparent scum motivation with his post, but it's "fishy" enough to keep a close eye on him and see how he acts the remainder of D1. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:13 GreYMisT wrote:
You accuse me of only posting fluff while I stated I would not be able to do much for all of today. Strawman. I accuse you of not "holding" your end of the deal in that previous post you made. You certainly did have time to discuss the RNG thing instead of analyzing, or at least trying to analyze, so you justifying it by saying "I don't have enough time" is irrelevant. Show nested quote +why bring this up now? there has not been a missing KP, nor has there even been a night phase. The only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch. Because I don't want scum to forget about it. After I posted that, I realized that if I was Crazy Fiend this game I'd be fucked  However I'm not so it's all cool (just another game mechanic to take advantage of), that way we can try to focus on catching scum alone, and perhaps let scum get rid of the CF themselves (by shooting him+outing him in the thread later). Show nested quote +he only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch Right, my only reasoning behind that post was to "get us off track of discussing a lynch", when I was the only that tried to get you people to abandon wasting time with the RNG talk and try to discuss a lynch in the first placeYou are not doing a good job of defending yourself Greymist. What do you think of Wiggles?
To his filter here. I mean the closest thing I can find to pushing a read, or poking, or asking a tough question or just generally being productive are his two big posts here and here. 90% of the stuff in there is just fluffy questions, even his vote reasoning is terrible
I've read syllogism posts and I did get that feeling he's just trying to appear pro-town while not contributing himself.
Him accusing Prob for making that post 1 minute into D1 seems so fake. I don't think a town syllo would actually believe that or accuse him like he did without either changing his mind or following up on it
He seemed pretty aggressive against Meapak, Katina and others, but just in an "accusatory" tone of his post that doesn't help town at all but helps create more confusion by casting suspicion on many people.
I think he's scum since I didn't see syllo act like this in Liar Game. He was more intent on getting information from people, not shit on people, cast suspicion and not try to shit things up.
Which is just a straight up parrot of what other people have said. Then he does a complete 180 to use Syllo's logic to vote for Foolishness when no-one was voting for him. He doesn't present anything knew or even poke Foolishness.
On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote:Fuck, syllogism makes sense about Foolishness, I don't know if I was wrong about him before or this is him "finding other scum for us" like wbg said, but damn, maybe lynching syllo is not a good choice, I think lynching Foo' today would be better. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote:
And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful. This is the kind of post I don't see town Foo' doing at all. He just mentions BH and adds some wishy-washy stuff about how he acted like this as 3rd party and concludes nothing at all. Foo' defending Palmar when Palmar was acting like a dick by saying things like "we can figure him out as scum by D3 if he has less than 6 pages of filter" is so stupid I can't believe a town Foo' would say that. I've posted about his earlier posts before. ##Unvote: syllogism
##Vote: Foolishness
He is so concerned with looking good that he doesn't bother to actually participate. This is complete contrast to the iGrok game where he actively pushed people, broke down the setup and was generally a hard ass.
##Vote: Gonzaw
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
wow probulous way to be a dick and bury my case under your bigger, better case.
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On July 18 2012 08:47 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:
Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.
Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town. I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote. Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today. This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town. Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time. ##unvote@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again? Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment?
I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play.
You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role?
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hey VE. why are you lynching meapak?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
why in particular is he the #1 choice?
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