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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 18 2012 00:13 GMT
#1021
Who is John Galt?

I'm willing to consolidate but right now I feel he's the best choice because of how he acted early game with the kinda scumhunting (re: Chez) and then the silliness in trying to get Palmar to answer a question (re: you).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 18 2012 00:13 GMT
#1022
On July 18 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:
Votes, which should be good as of Prob's 9:03 vote, and nothing posted since then. Don't take em as gospel though.

+ Show Spoiler +

Chezinu (0)
Blazinghand

Meapak_Ziphh (4)
wherebugsgo
Blazinghand
Chezinu
Kurumi
mattchew
kurumi
palmar
VisceraEyes

Kurumi (0)
marvellosity
sandroba
syllogism
marvellosity
wherebugsgo
HiroPro
supersoft
risk.nuke
Katina
Foolishness
Blazinghand
Palmar

Blazinghand (7)
sandroba
HiroPro
GGQ
HiroPro
wherebugsgo
Chezinu
rastaban
slOosh
Katina
marvellosity

syllogism (1)
Blazinghand
Palmar
Foolishness
Blazinghand
gonzaw
Probulous
Foolishness

GGQ (0)
Kurumi

Palmar (0)
Katina

Katina (1)
Mattchew
blazinghand

layabout (0)
wherebugsgo
Blazinghand

HiroPro (0)
marvellosity

Sandroba (1)
austinmcc

austinmcc (7)
supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
blazinghand
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw

Layabout (0)
VisceraEyes

Foolishness (0)
gonzaw

Gonzaw (1)
Probulous

No-Lynch (0)
Kurumi

Nonvoters (5)
layabout
Meapak_Ziphh
Q-bert-Z
RebirthOfLeGenD
Zealos

Some of the tags are messed up. Some people have voted me in the main thread, but not the voting thread. I think zealos and layabout may have done that?

Before you get on my case about counting votes. It's way easier than defending oneself. It's also helpful to me, because I'm sitting here kind of interested in how many votes I have and WHO is voting for me.



Fe fi fo fum.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 18 2012 00:15 GMT
#1023
Psst guys it's extended majority lynch, as for now you ain't gettin' anyone.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 00:16 GMT
#1024
On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
About austin:

I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much.
I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it.
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.
I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.

##Unvote: Foolishness
##Vote: austin


I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly

In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right?

Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me?
There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town.

Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 18 2012 00:16 GMT
#1025
On July 18 2012 09:09 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 08:47 sandroba wrote:
On July 18 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote:
On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:

Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.

Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town.


I agree with this. I fail to see how Austin's action further a scum agenda at all. It is a distraction yes, but he seems to believe his bullshit. As mentioned he has a history of doing of this. Bugs, you pointed out that in LV he was looking at other targets which is true, but if that is the entire case against him, he won't get my vote.

Supersoft, you've made a great case about how his play is bad but not how it pushes a scum agenda. Why is austin doing this? Sandroba is never going to get lynched today.

This situation reminds me of the VE/marv situation in Movie Star Mini Mafia. Austin may be scum but he may also be paranoid town.

Syllo does not seem to be our lynch today. There are too many senior players not voting for him, so I will unvote. I still don't like his play but if town thinks he should be given time, then so be it. It's consolidation time.
##unvote

@Palmar, you made a point that mafia players will be self-centered in this setup and that would make them focused on survival. How is this any different than a townie? I for one don't plan on getting lynched because that would be a misslynch. So if I was a target, I would also be focused on survival. Can you explain your point again?


Austin never pushed for my lynch. He pushed for my role. He is concerned if my ability is one-shot or multiple use. What here is not mafia agenda? Where is the town agenda in that? How does me claiming any of these options help him figure out my alignment?



I agree there is no town agenda. It is bad bad play.

You yourself realise that you are likely to die overnight, so what use does your role provide mafia? I mean they know you can send messages now so anything coming from you would be disregarded right. If messages don't come directly from you then they cannot know whether something is from you or not which provides even more incentive to shoot you. As you pointed out they have to be wary of messages in general now because they know they can be faked. You even mentioned that there might be other people with a similar role. So my point is, what does mafia gain from knowing your role?


Just read what he said. It's basically your ability must be one-shot otherwise it's broken, thus you must be scum. If I claim my ability is one shot scum can not worry about it anymore. If I claim it's multi use they have to figure a way of making sure the msg they are getting are indeed from their superiors. So yeah every mafia member would love to know exactly what they are dealing with here.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#1026
VE, my first impression was to look up the OP for something I recalled. "However, there will be no word limit either. So there will be plenty of room to dictate strategy."

You see, minions can receive an enormous amounts of information. Can you find a pattern of illogical behavior among the members?

If I had minions... would I be rash and command them to do my impulsive bidding or would develop an epic long trilogy of the adventures of Chezinu Isunizehc renamed that contains complex and hard to follow strategies for my minions. I wonder what would be censored...

VE, you said that this would not take long.. maybe in terms of read all of their posts...

If I was mafia, would tell my minions to go for the no lynch and if that fails, I would tell them 3 targets that they could possibly kill. I would reiterate all the rules in the OP. To make sure everyone has read the rules. I would not take my pm's lightly. For PMs are Powerful..

I live you with food for thought and inconclusiveness in order to maintain my undercover identity...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2012 00:18 GMT
#1027
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#1028
On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-

Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 18 2012 00:19 GMT
#1029
All I took from this is that you don't want to lynch either of them, which is what I was after in the first place. Thx Chez.

<3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#1030
On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-

Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys.


I opted out and decided to reread. It's fascinating, some of the strangest things are jumping out at me.

Details at 11.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 18 2012 00:23 GMT
#1031
On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?

Yes, but mafia is not a single minded entity this game. Surely a minion wonders if the msg he receives today or tonight is trust worthy or not.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 18 2012 00:23 GMT
#1032
On July 18 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:
On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote:
Where is Foolishness -_-

Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys.


I opted out and decided to reread. It's fascinating, some of the strangest things are jumping out at me.

Details at 11.

Your welcome to the both of you.. see what I did thar? details are jumping at you right?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 00:24 GMT
#1033
why is austin still voting sandroba? this is stupid
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 00:24 GMT
#1034
On July 18 2012 09:18 HiroPro wrote:
Wouldn't mafia want to kill you regardless of whether your ability is one-shot or not though, sandroba?


In addition to this, why would they NOT want to make sure their messages are from their superiors if your ability is only one shot? Like you said, there may be more than one of your role.

I get that the info provides a little certainty for mafia but in reality, it isn't much. Basically if austin is mafia he has sacrificed himself to ensure that his fellow scum members can safely receive messages tonight knowing their might be other ways that they are sabotaged? Reckless doesn't even begin to describe that behaviour.

I'll be here are lynch time, so if it comes down to a choice between Austin, BH and MZ, I will change my vote, but right now I think Gonzaw is a better lynch.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 00:25 GMT
#1035
you're on drugs if you think 13 more people are gonna vote gonzaw in the next few hours
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#1036
bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:

supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw

Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#1037
On July 18 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
you're on drugs if you think 13 more people are gonna vote gonzaw in the next few hours


I can be swayed. Palmar seems interested.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#1038
2 isn't 13 dear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#1039
On July 18 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote:
you're on drugs if you think 13 more people are gonna vote gonzaw in the next few hours


Well with an attitude like that, sure. No thoughts on my case at all
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#1040
Gonzaw is not going to get lynched today. It's BH, austin, or maybe MZ.
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