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On January 25 2012 00:46 GGQ wrote:
I dislike being labelled as bored/lazy/apathetic. I spent hours every day reading the thread, comparing filters, and scribbling notes.
I was aware that I wasn't having much impact on the thread, but with the time I had available i tried to do what I could, having ciryandor as my day 1 lynch target and BC as my mayor choice. I suspected Incog at first primarily because of his case against BC when it looked like the town might be ready to unite behind him. After the macpo lynch I pretty much decided to trust protact/BC/foolishness for the forseeable future. About macpo, when people wanted to lynch him for being uncertain and self-doubting in his first post, I wanted to defend him because I remember in my first game being very hesitent and having no confidence at all. Guess that's a scumtell for a reason. Mostly the game was proceeding in an acceptable manner (aside from way too much unnecessary posting), so there was no need for me to do anything drastic.
I know it's important for townies to establish their innocence and I will hopefully do better at that next time, but it was actually pretty enlightening to be the target of various accusations and to be able to judge people's intent based on the way the accusations were made. I never responded to any of them, either because they were dozens of pages back when I finally caught up to the thread, or because I just didn't feel threatened. Maybe I should have been more worried but I wasn't. I've never been lynched as town and I didn't intend to start.
faszinating.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
You didn't answer the question. Where was all this motivational BS yesterday? You know, when you did what you are saying you won't do tomorrow (push BM as a candidate rather than BH)?
What motivational BS? Yesterday we were killing Kurumi.
Are you trying to make a point here?
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Yesterday when we were lynching Kurumi, you took the following actions:
Berate thread for discussing D3 lynch
Build case on BM
In what way do those actions indicate that your intension is, as you claim, to focus the thread on lynching BH D3?
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On July 22 2012 06:18 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 06:12 supersoft wrote:
I cannot remember any game i played with GGQ. Can anyone link me one?
GGQ never posts in any of the games he joins, so linking wouldn't do much
okay you help me now.
I have a problem with three things:
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On July 22 2012 05:26 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote:
God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened I never miss lynches if i am awake. It just never happens. If you really are town, you're doing it wrong man.
Do you buy his story?
2. Palmar defending BH.
On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him.
I've seen the light.
##unvote
##vote: syllogism
die scum
On July 17 2012 01:38 Blazinghand wrote:NO! NO THIS ONE MAKES SENSE. Just check out his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=102651Ok so he starts off with irrelevant questions that look like pressure but aren't (link), then continues by saying that HE WANTS TO LYNCH PROBULOUS WITHOUT VOTING HIM (link), then states I'm scum but hides behind another dude's case and doesn't vote me! (link). This is a man with no strong opinions except, apparently, that everyone is scum but he's not voting anyone. Scummy. Scum.
is this excitement fake?
and what about this:
On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.
does he really think you're scum?
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can both of them be scum?
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On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 05:14 supersoft wrote:yeah sure, i fixed that. ____________________________________ On July 22 2012 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote:On July 22 2012 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar two proven messenger roles that can target town. One is sum right? Its Chezinu imo imo. Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum? AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town. Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro. BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug*
He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me? Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised? He refuses to, because he realized he has this exact power on his CEO-powersheet. And now he thinks "what have i done" Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote:
The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
townslip?
he obviously doesnt get what i mean with the CEO-powersheet. Is he CEO and dumb or is this too hard to understand and his reaction a nulltell?
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Null on the last point on Foolish SS - TBH I thought you were implying that he had a vote-stealing power as CEO too, which made me go /:|
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1. Is the implication of this question that Foolishness knows/thinks BH is mafia (maybe) and thus "stepped out/spent his time rather playing LoL"? I don't believe that he didn't have time to change his vote at some point after promising, so I don't believe his story.
2. Most of the things BH posts feel fake to me, but that's not among the ones I would highlight.
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
3. No.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yesterday when we were lynching Kurumi, you took the following actions:
Berate thread for discussing D3 lynch
Build case on BM
In what way do those actions indicate that your intension is, as you claim, to focus the thread on lynching BH D3?
I berated the thread during the night cause I was pissed. I built the case on BM cause he's mafia and nobody seemed to realize it at that point. Do you know of someone who does not want to kill BH? Similarly there was hardly a soul that didn't want to kill Kurumi.
Again do you have a point? We're arguing about nonsense here.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
1. Is the implication of this question that Foolishness knows/thinks BH is mafia (maybe) and thus "stepped out/spent his time rather playing LoL"? I don't believe that he didn't have time to change his vote at some point after promising, so I don't believe his story.
2. Most of the things BH posts feel fake to me, but that's not among the ones I would highlight.
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
3. No.
Katina can actually vouch for my absence. Stop nitpicking at retarded things.
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On July 22 2012 07:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
1. Is the implication of this question that Foolishness knows/thinks BH is mafia (maybe) and thus "stepped out/spent his time rather playing LoL"? I don't believe that he didn't have time to change his vote at some point after promising, so I don't believe his story.
2. Most of the things BH posts feel fake to me, but that's not among the ones I would highlight.
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
3. No. Katina can actually vouch for my absence. Stop nitpicking at retarded things.
Even if that's the case, I don't believe you at no point had a few minutes to spare to move your vote somewhere useful. Yes, I do believe it's possible that you had to "step out" for a while, but before that you were playing LoL and clearly not very interested in helping town.
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On July 22 2012 07:04 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:00 Foolishness wrote:On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
1. Is the implication of this question that Foolishness knows/thinks BH is mafia (maybe) and thus "stepped out/spent his time rather playing LoL"? I don't believe that he didn't have time to change his vote at some point after promising, so I don't believe his story.
2. Most of the things BH posts feel fake to me, but that's not among the ones I would highlight.
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
3. No. Katina can actually vouch for my absence. Stop nitpicking at retarded things. Even if that's the case, I don't believe you at no point had a few minutes to spare to move your vote somewhere useful. Yes, I do believe it's possible that you had to "step out" for a while, but before that you were playing LoL and clearly not very interested in helping town.
how can katina do that? is she your girlfriend? ^_^
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Yes. If you think I had had a few minutes to spare I would've read the thread and moved my vote? Do you think I would have posted in the thread saying I was going to move my vote if I didn't plan to do so? Really guys?
I suppose it's all WIFOM anyways. I'm done talking about this.
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There are a hell of a lot of accusations that aren't being backed up. This needs to stop.
No shooting/nuking (or voting) without first explaining yourself!
+ Show Spoiler [Big quote] +On July 22 2012 01:06 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 09:35 layabout wrote:For all intents and purposes sandroba is town. This game requires half of the thread to agree on a lynch. Kurumi is near confirmed scum. + Show Spoiler +On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town. If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. he was angry that syllogism proposed that he could do this as town And yet there are 5 votes not on Kurumi! We are going to need focus more and we are going to need to stop joking around with votes and thread actions. Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players. If we are looking for the person most likely to flip scum tomorrow we need look no further tahn our good friend zealos. I defended him initially but his actions since then show that he is either a mafia or a townie that isn't playing. READ:On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +Okay, several things: I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost: Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!
That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.
You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!
P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin. And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message. Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive. Before sandroba revealed that he had messaged zealos WBG considered zealos to be as likely scum as Kurumi. He did not explain his reasons explicitly but he expressed this opinion and we would be wise not to forget it. It's useful to have a meta assessment so: On July 19 2012 10:19 HiroPro wrote:
Why would a townie essentially make up a reason. Bear in mind that Zealos has show that he has no desire to come up with good reasons when scum (in MTG when I was mafia teammates with him, he argued that he had zero scum reads d1 and so he just voted for his least townie person. he then proceeded to lurk until halfway through night 1 and then appeared with a case on zelblade who was basically just a lurker based entirely on evidence that would have been available to him when he made his d1 vote.) What was the most sgnificant event during day1? + Show Spoiler [Answer] +The great sandroaba-Kurumi debacle of course! This one event outed Kurumi as scum. Now town should take a scum lynch day1 100% of the time. From that point onwards the only thing the thread needed to do was vote kurumi and then ask whether it was a a bus or not. It should have removed all other candidates for the lynch and discussion the thread should have moved onto the next day's lynch. RoL's nuke was the only good reason to move on from this issue and it was the reason that kurumi was not lynched. Everyone should have paid their attention to that and thought about the various possibilities since for a time that event would have decided that days lynch and is deciding today lynch. It was your responsibility as town. But are we to believe that until this morning zealos was unaware of the whole thing? Zealos placed his first vote against austinmcc On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote:On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there. Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently.I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet. ##Vote: austinmcc He says nothing about austinmcc specifically and yet he feels that the only thing needed to justify his vote was thread momentum. At that time a few players were calling austinmcc scummy but there was nothing substantial said at all and he had very few votes. Zealos' vote was lazy and shows that he was trying to fit in rather than trying to get a successful lynch. It sounds a lot like the Zealos that HiroPro descibed. On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.
And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy? Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. So Zealos still was not reading the thread since austinmcc did not have a decent case against him and his comment about Kurumi demonstrates a complete lack of thread knowledge. He also picks out Blazinghand not for being scummy but for being "odd". Which is strange since there should be enuogh players for him to find something that is scummy and not simply "odd". On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, I will simply re-post: On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [snip] +On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. And what has he done? Well he spent just long enough in the thread to have sandroba's message explained to him. He contributed nothing of his own and has not been productive. He is mafia. ##tomorrow we should vote zealos Layabout, does Kurumi flipping blue change your post at all? And while I agree town needs to unite, it was pretty obvious Kurumi was town if anyone cared to look at his posts beyond following a random pm received. This is the third game in a row where I have seen town butcher an obvious innocent for a single slip up (though we were able to save marv last minute) gonzaw marv and Kurumi all acted the same when caught. Guess who isn't acting that way. Zealos. I think BH is a great lynch as well, he has veto power that is certainly a minion on the board of directors. So Zealos then BH 2 for 2. Come on town let's do this!
Kurumi flipping mafia doesn't change a thing about my post.
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What is all of this about BH that i seem to have missed?
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On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
So you think as mafia he thinks you're mafia and he accuses you.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On July 22 2012 07:55 layabout wrote:
What is all of this about BH that i seem to have missed?
Apparently I'm to be lynched tomorrow rather, than, say, Zealos.
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On July 22 2012 07:57 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
So you think as mafia he thinks you're mafia and he accuses you.
I said that it's conceivable and would be an attempt to convey to me that he is mafia. It was a random vote and he put 0 effort into actually pushing the point. What a pointless question
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On July 22 2012 08:03 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:57 supersoft wrote:On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since
They can and I think are both mafia
So you think as mafia he thinks you're mafia and he accuses you. I said that it's conceivable and would be an attempt to convey to me that he is mafia. It was a random vote and he put 0 effort into actually pushing the point. What a pointless question
alright. One last question. Who would you shoot tonight, as scum?
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I'm not going to answer that
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