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On July 16 2012 16:05 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get... It is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important.
I agree that we shouldn't waste the first of our glorious days of Brown Revolution, Sure, but I can almost guarantee that everyone will change from day one, so setting up this policy up now will make it triflingly easy for the menacing heathens to bandwagon onto someone who changed their mind, and have an excuse for it.
I disagree that the mechanic becomes "far" more important. As always, we look for people who change their mind without a reason, but don't make it easier for the scum than it needs to be.
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*puts the Walton mask back on*
Wonderful just wonderful. Is talking face to face with your co-workers fun or what?! I noticed some of you did not even say a word. Shame on you! Now it is time for everyone to break into groups according to the department they work for. Now will everyone please state their name and what department they work under. For instance, My name is Mr. Walton and I work in the communications department. Let's start with the marketing department and then we will move on from there.
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If the Lurker Department is greater than 1/3 of the company, I say we show just say who we work for..
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On July 16 2012 16:21 Chezinu wrote:
If the Lurker Department is greater than 1/3 of the company, I say we show just say who we work for..
Sir, not to be disrespectful, but I'm afraid you may have some trouble getting the Lurker Department to report in. On the other gloved hand, if we count all who are not here as members of the Lurker Department, we may be over zealous in our reaction. Perhaps you have an idea for how we might ascertain who exactly might be lurking?
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I shall retire now, and leave this ongoing operation in your capable hands, Sir.
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On July 16 2012 16:30 Q-bert-Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 16:21 Chezinu wrote:
If the Lurker Department is greater than 1/3 of the company, I say we show just say who we work for.. Sir, not to be disrespectful, but I'm afraid you may have some trouble getting the Lurker Department to report in. On the other gloved hand, if we count all who are not here as members of the Lurker Department, we may be over zealous in our reaction. Perhaps you have an idea for how we might ascertain who exactly might be lurking?
*puts sane detective mask on*
To find a lurker:
look here, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 and wait and refresh. If the view count is increasing that means someone is here...
But Who?
Check other threads in teamliquid for clues..
Check your instant messages and steam...
Go to Google and find their secret layer...
You must find all means within the "rules" of the oppressors to find them..
Go now my brother.. Find them and slay them!
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Argh... just missed him... Guess that leaves me to do the bidding..
*puts mad detective mask on*
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/out
I'm sorry I have to resign from the game. Really sorry. Could you guys please replace me? 
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Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.
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On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.
So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play?
Hi sandroba, you around?
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On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.
Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion?
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On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion?
Q-bert-Z is sinani.
He's roleplaying.
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On July 16 2012 18:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion? Q-bert-Z is sinani. He's roleplaying.
Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that?
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On July 16 2012 18:11 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 18:04 Palmar wrote:On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion? Q-bert-Z is sinani. He's roleplaying. Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that?
Q-bert-Z logged on IRC a few days ago, I'm assuming it's the same person. I just compared the hostname to what I could find in my logs. Sadly he has an IP address from a verizon pool so it's not conclusive, but the other option seems to be Risen, which I find much less likely given the way QBZ has been posting so far.
His posting very much matches how I'd expect sinani to behave under a new identity, I wouldn't have guessed it before, but once I read his post with the added knowledge that it might be sinani it really does fit. The jokes/roleplay are of questionable quality, certainly below any of my theatrics, it's mainly just playing off Chez's eternal trolling.
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On July 16 2012 18:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 18:11 syllogism wrote:On July 16 2012 18:04 Palmar wrote:On July 16 2012 18:03 syllogism wrote:On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
Let's random lynch.
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. Sinani? Who is that? Which discussion? Q-bert-Z is sinani. He's roleplaying. Really? That's the last person I would expect him to be, how do you figure? Anyway, you don't usually mind role playing (or trolling? which is it?) so do you just have a problem with sinani in particular doing that? Q-bert-Z logged on IRC a few days ago, I'm assuming it's the same person. I just compared the hostname to what I could find in my logs. Sadly he has an IP address from a verizon pool so it's not conclusive, but the other option seems to be Risen, which I find much less likely given the way QBZ has been posting so far. His posting very much matches how I'd expect sinani to behave under a new identity, I wouldn't have guessed it before, but once I read his post with the added knowledge that it might be sinani it really does fit. The jokes/roleplay are of questionable quality, certainly below any of my theatrics, it's mainly just playing off Chez's eternal trolling.
QBZ has to be careful. Once someone experience my play style first hand, it's hard to go back. It is just too much fun being me.
So Palmas, what department do you work for?
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8. Bill Murray
3. Sandroba
6. Foolishness
7. VisceraEyes
10. Meapak_Ziphh
13. Wherebugsgo
16. GGQ
19. Kurumi
20. rastaban
25. RebirthofLegend
26. Palmar
27. Mandalor
4. Probulous
15. syllogism
17. Blazinghand
1. layabout
2. EchelonTee
5. HiroPro
9. Gonzaw
11. Supersoft
12. austinmcc
14. Katina
21. Mattchew
22. marvellosity
23. risk.nuke
24. Q-bert-Z
What I got so far..
~ mad detective
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Is that something I should know? I haven't actually read the entire op.
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Holding people accountable to their day 1 reads is dumb. As always you will want to question people who change their reads drastically or oddly. This however completely-100%-absolutely-have-nothing-in-common-with holding people accountable for their day 1 reads.
Chaos and rockin the boat is equally dumb. I don't know to what effect scum can use their communication but it seems to be very limited. Destroying the atmosphere and towns sense of direction to slightly damage the scums abillity to communicate seems like shooting a mosquito on the foot with a bazooka.
Blazinghand is the one who's spot on.
On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu
The only difference between this game and a normal game is everyone needs to scumhunt.
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Evening gentlemen.
It turns out my ass isn't as fat as it used to be. It's great to see Palmagism are around.
@Palmar, can sinani be constructive? I have played with him before where he was not. You also called for his head that game (Werewolves II if I remember correctly). The reason I ask is that despite his crazy way of posting he has at least been reasonable and consistent. He has pointed out the flaws in my argument, but hasn't gone all out on it. So despite his text flavour, how exactly has he been trolling?
Compare his behaviour to one Blazinghand, who thinks the world of himself to the point that he refuses to respond to me.Your thoughts on BH?
@Syllo your input would be great too!
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On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote:
Wow, that was useful...
Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.
Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations.
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