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I've been out of my fix for far too long, it's about time we got this started :D
People are being shy violets right now but I like what probulous has posted thus far.
Looking back at PYP insane, Chez tried to look as scummy as possible and people passed it off as "just chez being chez." Looking at his opening post I almost feel like a similar theme is in the offing. It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post but I just want to put this out there, especially since there since foolishness and I are the only other people who were in that game so he may feel he can get away with it again.
gotta get out dat FoS: Chezinu
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Blazinghand
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On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...
FoS: Chezinu
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Kill meapak, he's scum.
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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On July 16 2012 15:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...
FoS: Chezinu ._.
What part of FoS is me calling Chez scum?
Can you tell me what FoS means?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
WBG, you're a man after my own heart. I'm gonna get some sleep. See you guys on the flip side.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On July 16 2012 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...
FoS: Chezinu ._. What part of FoS is me calling Chez scum? Can you tell me what FoS means?
FoS means "I, Meapak_Ziphh, am afraid of putting out a strong stance because I'm worried I'll find out that Chez is scum with me-- I need an out" according to mafiascum wiki
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##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh
You are communicating wonderfully my brethren.
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On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:Hi Q-bert-Z You seem to be in a similar frame of mind as me. Thoughts on my post? When you say Show nested quote +so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful. What exactly do you mean?
My fellow Co-worker, it would appear that we are the only two faithful working the night shift here. We should tread carefully, lest the batman catch us conversing. You would do well to talk to my cat AMERICA! for lessons on how to walk quietly, but I would cation you to watch your fingers as he has a tendency to bite.
But I see that you're a down to business type of person, so I'll answer you frankly. I thought that those scoundrels at the top could send messages at more than just the night, so I'll have to look over the rules again to clarify that. There are, to be sure, nefarious powers that would change direction at the heinous command of their brutal overlords, but there are also those among us true brethren, those who hold true to the Brown Revolution, who could have been preying about, gleaning information about other...less scrupulous employees, which might also cause them to come about in their line of thinking.
Now, when speaking in regard to my earlier comment regarding my comment regarding said "shifting", I will say this: This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat. They have but one (or is it two?) messages by which they may attempt to gain a footing, but I tell you, we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board.
But onto more important matters.
I now speak directly to all you mafia minions out there. Listen to me! Surely you are suffering under the weight of oppression, but I tell you, there is hope! You do not belong to those surly bureaucratic drunkards! You must throw off the yoke of oppression! We are the 99%, and you must join us! Do you not see what lies in wait for those who remain faithful to your false masters? A scapegoat with a ticket to the guillotine is what you are as long as you serve those oppressive monsters!
This is your day! This is your hour! Don't let them strangle you with their commanding PM's, rebel! You've got to throw yourselves into the machine, and against the gears and against the leavers, and you've got to make this grinding hell of a reality end! Come, join the Brown Revolution! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild!
And now I bid you adieu. Fare thee well, my precious brethren. But to all those who would harm my brothers, quake, quake in your boots, for the WRATH of Q. Bert. Z. Is upon you!
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On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
Thank you for not reading.
On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.
It was in the spoiler. That is what Chez was responding too 
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu
Fluff and nonsense. I have never played a game with Chez but I have read his games and he is never clear. Chaos is his middle name (OK, maybe I am exaggerating) but the point being voting for him, is just dumb. It is not like he wasn't posting and your vote isn't going to make him be all clear and transparent.
So Mr Blazinghand, why aren't you reading the thread and why are pushing easy targets? In addition why are you dismissing my ideas without actually commenting on them.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Prob I'm so far past you that I'm lapping you. You gotta keep up.
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On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh
lulz didn't scroll.
So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.
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Down with Meapak_Ziphh!! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild! You can't tell us what to do!!! Always giving us commands in the name of your "order". We are tired of your rules! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild
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On July 16 2012 15:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Prob I'm so far past you that I'm lapping you. You gotta keep up.
And now you're dismissing me again.
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I almost...
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post....
just want to put this out there
That is some Grade A carefullness, right there. Those phrases in particular are very passive.
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On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.
You must be new here. I'll be nice then.
Chezinu is the definition of amazing play. You must learn to get past the cunning language that he puts forth to veil what he speaks from the unworthy. Just because you speak a different language doesn't mean he's not playing the game. Learn to play his game and you'll find a treasure trove of wisdom and knowledge. He is, after all, Walton.
As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...
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This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat
Good Qbert, how exactly do we stay on board? Lord knows it would be easier to fall in if "helped" by those we wish to drown.
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On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Walton, are you the Batman?
Rest of you: Mafia have an advantage in numbers. We need to find a way to use this against them. They also have a disadvantage in communication, and we need to make sure we exploit that as much as possible.
A few ideas coming to mind: Large numbers will make it slightly easier to lynch a mafia, as long as we can keep communication to a minimum with them. They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.
Remember, they can't organize and respond to lynches effectively like a normal mafia.
hmm this slipped by me. What dearest smurf here seems to be suggesting sounds like a scum heaven. In a constantly shifting environment, scum will never be forced to take a solid position on anything thus allowing them to skate by. While disrupting scum communication is a worthy goal, it's not worth sacrificing a stable town atmosphere to do so. A better method is more along the lines of what probulous suggested; jump on anyone who has sudden and rather odd changes of heart.
This is coming up because of your post history so far smurfette... let's not continue down this road k thnx.
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On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
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##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. You must be new here. I'll be nice then. Chezinu is the definition of amazing play. You must learn to get past the cunning language that he puts forth to veil what he speaks from the unworthy. Just because you speak a different language doesn't mean he's not playing the game. Learn to play his game and you'll find a treasure trove of wisdom and knowledge. He is, after all, Walton. As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...
If you're just gonna troll then I'm fine pushing you off the boat first. You run the risk of being blinded by chez's veil. In your haste to hail him as a speaker of wisdom and knowledge you miss the fact that he has actually played a fairly successful scum game using this tactic.
@Probe, do my posts need more fire and brimstone?
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On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...
It is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important.
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On July 16 2012 16:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Probe, do my posts need more fire and brimstone?
Clarity is what I seek. I understood what you were saying but your stance was kind of wishy-washy. The fact that you FOS'd him with such passive language made me think you weren't really serious about your post but it seems you were. So yeah, clarity of purpose.
OK guys, work is done for the day and I am heading home. If I can be arsed I will pop on later tonight otherwise I will see in the morning. Good luck!
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