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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 21:27 GMT
#621
What's that even in response to?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 09 2012 21:29 GMT
#622
Sinensis was on it, so yeah...that's all the context I had. Was that not what that list was Zentor?
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Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 09 2012 21:33 GMT
#623
You never said what the names ment
You wrote 3 names there's 3 scum.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 21:49 GMT
#624
On July 10 2012 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
Why marvelbabe thinks Zentorpoopants is scummyscumscum

It's a nice combination of reasons of actions this game and a little bit of meta. First of all Zentor says Sinensis is 'suspicious' and only after being prodded does he reveal it's because he is being 'cautious, lurky scum'. Ok that's fine. Events later in the lynch aren't so favourable. He never deigns to tell us why drwiggl3s is a bad lynch at all, he just tells us Sinensis is more likely to flip scum. No reasoning given either way. His posts towards the end of the day amount to telling town we're stupid for voting how we are, but without actually trying to convince us otherwise. There is also the fact that he tried to claim credit for the Sinensis wagon when actually he didn't lead the wagon at all, slOosh did.

Then comes the episode a little earlier today. He comes in with a vote on Sinensis straight off the bat. But he doesn't tell us why. I quiz him on it, and for some reason he refuses to tell me - I point out that clearly Sinensis is NOT being cautious and lurky, which were his original reasons. All I get back is that his transition out of this phase was 'extremely scummy'. Not a reason at all. He's riding this wagon to make it look like he's doing something. Eventually after extremely heavy pressure from me he caves and makes a "case" but for me it is too late by then.

In Emergency Mafia he never didn't tell people why he was lynching people. There was proper analysis of his lynch candidates (to an extent). I also found it an interesting psychological moment earlier in the game when he said this:

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On July 07 2012 07:28 MrZentor wrote:
Prphlz is being a reckless townie.

Sinensis is being a cautious, lurky scum. (A lot like my scum play actually)

Forgot to do this earlier. ##Vote: Sinensis


The bit in brackets. Of course it could be completely innocent, but I think it betrays his mindset this game - trying very hard not to be so, and condemning someone else for it. Also note his point of view on prplhz - reckless townie. Arguably what Sinensis has turned into, but we're not treated to the distinction.

Most of all though, I'd like to draw similarities between comments here and in Bang Bang where he was Serial Killer. I first got a scumread on Zentor after a little exchange we had:

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On June 16 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
On June 16 2012 00:11 MrZentor wrote:
Toad, Payl, and Rastaban are extremely suspicious.

I think we should have Rastaban shoot Toad, but I would also be willing to shoot any one of them to prove I have a gun.


I know it seems like I'm obsessed with Toad right now, but I see no mention from you in your filter of ANY suspicions of Toad. So explain.


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On June 16 2012 00:35 MrZentor wrote:
A lot of people have talked about their suspicions of toad and their reasons. He seems like the best target right now.

If I were to tell you why Toad is mafia, I'd be copying a bunch of other people.



And here:

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On July 10 2012 00:23 MrZentor wrote:
If I'm going to provide "adequate reason" I'll probably end up copying BlueLight's case, because he showed why Sinensis is scum much better than I ever could.

How is that helpful to anyone?

If you really want me to reiterate the case against Sinensis, you're just going to be wasting everybody's time.


In Bang Bang his read on Toad mysteriously appeared and his natural reaction when quizzed was "other people have said it". Compare to here where he also abdicates responsibility for giving a reason for his reads on the basis that other people have said it.

Zentor is scum.


It's a nice combination of reasons of actions this game and a little bit of meta. First of all Zentor says Sinensis is 'suspicious' and only after being prodded does he reveal it's because he is being 'cautious, lurky scum'. Ok that's fine. Events later in the lynch aren't so favourable. He never deigns to tell us why drwiggl3s is a bad lynch at all, he just tells us Sinensis is more likely to flip scum. No reasoning given either way. His posts towards the end of the day amount to telling town we're stupid for voting how we are, but without actually trying to convince us otherwise. There is also the fact that he tried to claim credit for the Sinensis wagon when actually he didn't lead the wagon at all, slOosh did.


DrWiggles was a bad lynch BECAUSE Sinensis was more likely to flip scum. Am I mafia because I'm not as persuasive as you? -.- By leading the lynch on Sinensis, I meant that I was the first to suspect him.

Then comes the episode a little earlier today. He comes in with a vote on Sinensis straight off the bat. But he doesn't tell us why. I quiz him on it, and for some reason he refuses to tell me - I point out that clearly Sinensis is NOT being cautious and lurky, which were his original reasons. All I get back is that his transition out of this phase was 'extremely scummy'. Not a reason at all. He's riding this wagon to make it look like he's doing something. Eventually after extremely heavy pressure from me he caves and makes a "case" but for me it is too late by then.


You're asking me why we should lynch somebody we were planning on lynching yesterday? Why don't you look at the posts yesterday and find out. -.-


This quote from Emergency Mafia proves you wrong twice.

On June 16 2012 00:03 MrZentor wrote:
I'm not going to be redundant.

The reasons for Zelblade's guilt have been thoroughly exhausted.

##Vote : Zelblade

Oh, and I'd be delighted to destroy any case anybody tries to make against me.


In Bang Bang his read on Toad mysteriously appeared and his natural reaction when quizzed was "other people have said it". Compare to here where he also abdicates responsibility for giving a reason for his reads on the basis that other people have said it.


The "other people have said it" is my best excuse when I'm feeling lazy, and I use it regardless of alignment as seen above.

In Emergency Mafia he never didn't tell people why he was lynching people.


I voted for Zelblade because other people said reasons for why he was scum. I've been far more generous with my explanations this game.

The bit in brackets. Of course it could be completely innocent, but I think it betrays his mindset this game - trying very hard not to be so, and condemning someone else for it. Also note his point of view on prplhz - reckless townie. Arguably what Sinensis has turned into, but we're not treated to the distinction.


Or maybe I want give other people a summary of my scum play, so they see I'm town and listen to my suggestions.

Now for VE's case....
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 21:52 GMT
#625
"I've been far more generous with my explanations this game" - rofl!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 21:58 GMT
#626
1) Early in the game, he was extremely wishy-washy. Like, in calling out Sinensis, he said his play was "weird". And when someone asked him about prplhz he defensively said "I didn't say prplhz play wasn't weird, I said Sin's play WAS weird". It just kinda felt like hedging his bets, but then he went on to clarify that he thought Sin was playing "overly cautious" and prplhz "overly careless"...ultimately, it ended up being a null-tell but I didn't like the way he phrased it.


Okay... I'll ignore this.....


2) Later on his whole contradiction in trying to get votes back on Sinensis...where he was all "Guys late-switching is a bad idea - let's late-switch!". I understand what he was saying, but as I said at the time I didn't like the way it read...it seemed like someone just trying to shovel shit on the new wagon.


I've already addressed this. Basically, sticking with your initial candidate is not late switching. The problem with late switching is that we switch to a candidate whom very few people have commented on, so it makes it difficult to learn anything from the lynch, but everybody had already shared their thoughts on the main candidate. I also believe it drastically reduces the chance of getting scum.

3) Town-hunting - he seems to be quick to defend people and not so quick to accuse them except in the case of Sinensis. He's now down with a marv/VE/Sin "scumteam" but he doesn't really say why he thinks I'm scum or marv is scum...so really it's just tacking names onto the same attack he's been consistently pushing all game.


I'll start attacking other people when Sinensis is dead or I find somebody more scummy. Neither of those things has happened yet.

On the whole, I find I have a really hard time reading Zentor's intentions/actions, but most of this seems to indicate scum.



And you call me wishy washy....




This reminds me of when in space station mafia, three people posted cases against me at the same time.

And I was innocent.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 22:11 GMT
#627
On July 10 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
"I've been far more generous with my explanations this game" - rofl!


It's true. :p
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 22:13 GMT
#628
"cautious and lurky" into "extremely scummy" is not 'extremely generous with explanations'

"You're asking me why we should lynch somebody we were planning on lynching yesterday? Why don't you look at the posts yesterday and find out. -.-"

and yes of course I was asking, because Sinensis had ceased to behave in the manner that led you to vote him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#629
Yes, but if you were scum being attacked for your behavior, wouldn't you change it?

Him changing his behaviors changes nothing.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 22:17 GMT
#630
So if he'd continued being cautious and lurky, you'd have lynched him for being cautious and lurky

if he stops being cautious and lurky, you lynch him for changing his behaviour

what happens if he's town??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 22:17 GMT
#631
I don't think town would behave like that in the first place.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 22:19 GMT
#632
so you're basically wanting to lynch him off the basis of ONE POST HE MADE during day 1.

Nice.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 09 2012 22:21 GMT
#633
Actually, if he continued his cautious behavior, I think there would be the possibility of him being a timid town.

You have to admit that it's an insanely scummy post.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 22:22 GMT
#634
No, no I do not.

It was cautious, yes. Could it have betrayed a possible mindset? Yes.

Was it insanely scummy? No. No it was not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2012 00:21 GMT
#635
Ugh.

For some reason this feels like a mistake :<<<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 10 2012 00:24 GMT
#636
It's called buyer's remorse, and it's common in lynches of all stripes.

Marv, could you go back over slOosh's last posts on the last couple pages and tell me if you notice anything strange? I felt like he was prematurely exasperated with my posting, when I was earnestly trying to discuss with him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 10 2012 00:26 GMT
#637
No, normally I happily bludgeon my way through lynches for good or bad.

I'm not going to think about the game until tomorrow. Rest of town need to have their say and I need a clear head.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
July 10 2012 00:44 GMT
#638
MrZentor lynch feels like a mistake because he always plays scummy no matter the game. I mean, he gets mislynched all time right?

What makes me think mrzentor is scum is how much he is still pushing Sinensis, under the basis that his first post was too careful. I did a recheck on Sinensis games(I actually did it!), and he usually has a less structured opening post, or talks about his job times. That is not a 100% occurrence though, and the other posts he made seems to fit his meta much better.

Also, Sinensis going "prplhz wasn't roleblocked" and then prplhz claims to be roleblocked kinda clears him imo. A scum sinensis would know for sure prplhz had been roleblocked, and wouldn't mention the opposite in a post.

And scummier candidates are on sinensis. That's an issue in a game where 9 players live and 5 is needed to lynch. 3 of them are scum. 3 of the scummiest were on Sin(VE switched). 2 confirmed are on Zentor. 1 claimed cop is on VE.
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Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 10 2012 01:34 GMT
#639
lets see. at the moment im about 80 percent sure that both zeph and sin are town

i think sins town becuase hes stopped his scummy play and mostly becuase of the people who have been tunneling him
zeph has never really given me a reason for getting a scum vibe

assuming that myself prphlz and marv are all town also that leaves 4 players and 3 scum
here are my base reads. top is most scummy, bot is least

1. mrzentor: for obvious reasons. how hardcore him and Ve tunnel sin. and a mostly becuase of his refusal to give his reasons for his accusation, thus being not helpful to town at all


2. Ve: i get a scum vibe from him strongly because of how he posts. he is very much passive agressive/very agressive. he was being all not helpful at all by refusing to answer to slOosh. after he was tunneling sin he just accuses mrzentor. changing his vote doesn't make him scum but i feel as though the scum point of view from it would help. he might think that mrzentor will be lynched weather or not he jumps on the wagon and in that case if they are on a scum team he will get accused for not being on the wagon. if they arn't on a scum team and mrzentor were to flip town it would make him look more town because of how hard he was tunneling sin before. but if mrzentor was town he might fair better to keep tunneling sin


3. SlOosh: i don't really get a huge scum feeling from you to start off. but being one of the 4 people who i am considering ive thought about you a bit more. you did in fact start the wagon to get sin lynched (not necessarily scummy but its something that need to be put into consideration).you didn't really mind hoping on the mrzentor lynch as well, as i recall you were in the middle of the lynch for wiggles as well. also you never really gave your concrete reasons for voting mrzentor

?. Bluelightz: dont really know where to put this guy. he hasnt really posted much in the past few pages so i dont know what his current stance is. but atm he is voting for sin which looks a little bit suspicious on its own. but he is the only one to have a decent case on him. idk i would like to here more from you guys about him.

at the moment im voting for MrZentor. im also getting a little bit of "buyers remourse" but i think that he is the best choice as of right now.

plus if the 3 scum is in that list of 4 people then each one of them has a 75% chance of being mafia
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
July 10 2012 02:02 GMT
#640
Shit son you guys have been busy. Give me like a hour to catch up this is a lot of important stuff. Just got off work.
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