I ask the wrong questions slOosh..with people like you and marv in the game still, I'd rather watch what you guys ask and help town by voting and voicing my opinion when necessary. I don't know if you've noticed, but my town play is balls bro.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

July 09 2012 20:05 GMT

#603

On July 10 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
To be frank I'm not discussing with anyone slOosh, it's nothing personal.

Ask marv how much I've interacted with him this game.

And I gave you cuddles and everything.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:06 GMT

#604

I haven't given up on the game - I'm playing it differently than normal.

I know, that's scummy as shit. Honestly if you're willing to lynch me for saying that then we've probably lost anyway. :/

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 09 2012 20:13 GMT

#605

So you think MrZentor is town?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:16 GMT

#606

Do I?

Is that the only reason someone doesn't vote for someone else? Or are there other reasons, like liking another candidate better?

I like Sinensis better. Do you think Sinensis is town?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

July 09 2012 20:27 GMT

#607

On July 10 2012 00:30 slOosh wrote:
Yo MrZentor,

I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore.

I looooove reading the thread

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 09 2012 20:30 GMT

#608

Forget this. VE is being extremely passive aggressive and unhelpful, and he isn't reading.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 09 2012 20:30 GMT

#609

Alright, do we start looking for last scum or do we just chill till the flip marv?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:30 GMT

#610

Marv, that says he's "looking townish", it doesn't say he thinks he's town. slOosh asked me if I thought Zentor was town as qualification for why I'm not voting for him. I returned the question because it's a bullshit fucking question marv.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:31 GMT

#611

You better start looking for both. -.-

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:41 GMT

#612

slOosh your sudden reluctance to continue this discussion is horribly disturbing...I was just starting to have a good time.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

July 09 2012 20:43 GMT

#613

Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 09 2012 20:44 GMT

#614

No. There is no discussion here. I'm not going to be goaded into pointless drivel and crap on the thread. I'm done with you VE.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:48 GMT

#615

That makes me a sad VE...

You thought that asking me if I thought Zentor was town was relevant, why is it "pointless drivel and crap on the thread" when I ask you the same question?

If you were done with me, why respond at all? All that does is "goad" me into responding.

Marv are you catching all this?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

July 09 2012 20:50 GMT

#616

Gonna post on Zentor shortly. Just need to do my homework on it first.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 20:50 GMT

#617

Me too! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

July 09 2012 21:12 GMT

#618

Why marvelbabe thinks Zentorpoopants is scummyscumscum

It's a nice combination of reasons of actions this game and a little bit of meta. First of all Zentor says Sinensis is 'suspicious' and only after being prodded does he reveal it's because he is being 'cautious, lurky scum'. Ok that's fine. Events later in the lynch aren't so favourable. He never deigns to tell us why drwiggl3s is a bad lynch at all, he just tells us Sinensis is more likely to flip scum. No reasoning given either way. His posts towards the end of the day amount to telling town we're stupid for voting how we are, but without actually trying to convince us otherwise. There is also the fact that he tried to claim credit for the Sinensis wagon when actually he didn't lead the wagon at all, slOosh did.

Then comes the episode a little earlier today. He comes in with a vote on Sinensis straight off the bat. But he doesn't tell us why. I quiz him on it, and for some reason he refuses to tell me - I point out that clearly Sinensis is NOT being cautious and lurky, which were his original reasons. All I get back is that his transition out of this phase was 'extremely scummy'. Not a reason at all. He's riding this wagon to make it look like he's doing something. Eventually after extremely heavy pressure from me he caves and makes a "case" but for me it is too late by then.

In Emergency Mafia he never didn't tell people why he was lynching people. There was proper analysis of his lynch candidates (to an extent). I also found it an interesting psychological moment earlier in the game when he said this:

On July 07 2012 07:28 MrZentor wrote:
Prphlz is being a reckless townie.

Sinensis is being a cautious, lurky scum. (A lot like my scum play actually)

Forgot to do this earlier. ##Vote: Sinensis

The bit in brackets. Of course it could be completely innocent, but I think it betrays his mindset this game - trying very hard not to be so, and condemning someone else for it. Also note his point of view on prplhz - reckless townie. Arguably what Sinensis has turned into, but we're not treated to the distinction.

Most of all though, I'd like to draw similarities between comments here and in Bang Bang where he was Serial Killer. I first got a scumread on Zentor after a little exchange we had:

On June 16 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

I know it seems like I'm obsessed with Toad right now, but I see no mention from you in your filter of ANY suspicions of Toad. So explain.

On June 16 2012 00:35 MrZentor wrote:
A lot of people have talked about their suspicions of toad and their reasons. He seems like the best target right now.

If I were to tell you why Toad is mafia, I'd be copying a bunch of other people.

And here:

On July 10 2012 00:23 MrZentor wrote:
If I'm going to provide "adequate reason" I'll probably end up copying BlueLight's case, because he showed why Sinensis is scum much better than I ever could.

How is that helpful to anyone?

If you really want me to reiterate the case against Sinensis, you're just going to be wasting everybody's time.

In Bang Bang his read on Toad mysteriously appeared and his natural reaction when quizzed was "other people have said it". Compare to here where he also abdicates responsibility for giving a reason for his reads on the basis that other people have said it.

Zentor is scum.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

July 09 2012 21:14 GMT

#619

MrZentor

1) Early in the game, he was extremely wishy-washy. Like, in calling out Sinensis, he said his play was "weird". And when someone asked him about prplhz he defensively said "I didn't say prplhz play wasn't weird, I said Sin's play WAS weird". It just kinda felt like hedging his bets, but then he went on to clarify that he thought Sin was playing "overly cautious" and prplhz "overly careless"...ultimately, it ended up being a null-tell but I didn't like the way he phrased it.

2) Later on his whole contradiction in trying to get votes back on Sinensis...where he was all "Guys late-switching is a bad idea - let's late-switch!". I understand what he was saying, but as I said at the time I didn't like the way it read...it seemed like someone just trying to shovel shit on the new wagon.

3) Town-hunting - he seems to be quick to defend people and not so quick to accuse them except in the case of Sinensis. He's now down with a marv/VE/Sin "scumteam" but he doesn't really say why he thinks I'm scum or marv is scum...so really it's just tacking names onto the same attack he's been consistently pushing all game.

On the whole, I find I have a really hard time reading Zentor's intentions/actions, but most of this seems to indicate scum.

As such,

##Unvote: Sinensis
##Vote: MrZentor