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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 10 2012 12:19 MrZentor wrote: I said that if I said why I think you're scum I would just be copying other people. -.- On July 10 2012 12:44 MrZentor wrote: Believe it or not, I formed my ideas off of your posts, and any copying of other people is coincidence. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Understand? | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 10 2012 13:29 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, there are only a few things that define your scumminess, so when I try to make a case against you, I unintentionally "copy" their case. Understand? Every person's case you "unintentially copy" isn't voting for me. The person who lead every subsequent case on me thinks I'm 80% town. Or is "their" only Bluelightz, who I answered to? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 10 2012 13:39 MrZentor wrote: I'm extremely confident you're scum. And you're leading in votes. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't like how VisceraEyes is avoiding a lynch because people are switching onto easy targets (Sinensis, zentor). We have a really good case on VisceraEyes and people seems to acknowledge this but for some reason no one is voting him which I don't like. Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote: I lynched zentor before because he was acting antagonistic. I don't really know what to think about him but the fact that he's actively trying to piss off a confirmed townie and proven scum hunter just seems like something scum wouldn't do, especially a player like zentor. I think you might be tunneling him with your "power games" and because he is really good at pissing people off marvellosity. It really looks different from outside and I know because I've tried the inside and now I'm looking at it from the outside. I caught him in BBM2 because he was posting carefully and non-contributory (just a token case on day1, big posts with no content) but that's not how he is posting right now. This really seems more like his town meta. I don't like how VisceraEyes is avoiding a lynch because people are switching onto easy targets (Sinensis, zentor). We have a really good case on VisceraEyes and people seems to acknowledge this but for some reason no one is voting him which I don't like. Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? I like this whole post actually. You've put your finger on why I'm feeling uncomfortable. The thing is - was Zentor's refusal to answer my question on Sinensis (repeatedly) scummy? For definite. I mean, I only got antagonistic after I had to ask him for the third time. But why the deuce would he actually pick a whole fight with me? I mean, surely he can't be so unselfaware that he wouldn't know he would come off worse on that one. I'm just remembering WoF where, for reasons that are still a mystery to the entire community, as town he decided to piss off the entire game and get himself lynched. He's basically talked himself into being lynched, which is super dumb as townie but perhaps on the flip side, unforgivable/unconceivable as scum. Sigh. Actually I think I could get down with a VE lynch. Some of what's been in the cases so far I've agreed with, some not. I think the most mileage comes from examining his votes and the reasons behind them. I will go over the cases on him and his filter and see what I think. Actually as of yesterday I felt I could lynch VE, but I didn't feel the need to let that out the bag so early. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
This may or may not be a long post... First of all, Zephirdd latches on to this post from VE: On July 09 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote: You know what I see from this? "I don't want to mess with you, so I'll stay on a safe spot". It's been quite a while since I've seen such a wishy washy post like this. Zephirdd is right, extremely wishy-washy. VE's response: On July 09 2012 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I've played with Sin before - if Sin is town, he'll just shut down if someone is unequivocally calling him scum. I wanted to avoid that, so I wanted to make sure he understood what I was saying. If you perceive that as "wishy washy" or "hedgy" then obviously that's your right. So yeah, I just gonna keep doin what I'm doin. This is where I'd like to talk about VE's town play. Well, prplhz/slOosh/anyone following Movie could see - he attacked me fairly mercilessly for two cycles. And in general VE is known for pursuing his target. Yet here there is no aggression at all. "I'm not saying you're scum either" he says. Actually he had been, he did on Day 1, and he continued to do so on Day 2. Relatedly, we have a VE defence at some of the accusations thrown at him: On July 09 2012 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Those attacking me aren't taking into account my typical town play. That's pretty much all I have to say on the matter. Smooches. Maybe fair enough, except what's this? On July 10 2012 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't given up on the game - I'm playing it differently than normal. I know, that's scummy as shit. Honestly if you're willing to lynch me for saying that then we've probably lost anyway. :/ He can't have it both ways. He's defending himself because it's his "typical" town play - and yet here he clearly acknowledges he is NOT playing his typical town play. This is a pretty large inherent contradiction going on. You can't defend yourself saying it's your normal town play, before going on to say you're not playing normally. Does not compute. The manner in which he voted or did/did not pursue people also seems pretty scummy. After the initial flurry of anger at prplhz's play and cop claim (I'm still not totally 100% on it either way btw), the votes died off him. But he makes a thing at the end of Day 1 of saying "but i wanted to lynch prplhz guyzzz". Yeah except really he never pushed it. He didn't push anything. He's not actively pursued prplhz today either, or even tried to engage the rest of town on the issue (like I did). VE told me himself recently that one way to try to differentiate between his alignments is the reasoning he gives for votes - piggybacking others or providing his own: On July 08 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis By far the best case in the thread right now. I agree with most of slOosh's points, though I feel he's unfairly calling his responses "overly defensive" when his is the only decent case in the thread. Here he adds nothing against Sinensis other than "I agree" and in fact his only point is that he's kinda defending Sinensis for posting defensively. There are other little bits and bobs, like where he randomly has a go at me: On July 10 2012 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Why doesn't anyone want to win? I told you, vote for Sinensis. Christ, it's like you people aren't listening at all. Marv, I agree that prplhz cop claim is horse-shit. I said this yesterday, and you've since said that you want to lynch me. So it's what the fuck ever. At that point I had not in any way indicated I wanted to lynch VE. This is both a failure to read the thread and it also betrays a defensive, scummy mindset. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
prplhz is also right: VE is avoiding a lynch with people(myself included) jumping between easy targets. Is there anyone who is voting Zentor against voting VE? ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
I feel like we have more evidence on Ve than on zentor He is extremely wishy washy and never actually pushed anything I feel like hes managed to go away with not actually taking a stance on something However I still do think that zentor is very scummy ##Unvote ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 09 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote: This is before D2 starts.Yea I'm in the same boat as Zeph and prplhz. I'd lynch VE tomorrow. ... MrZentor also good lynch. On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote: Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today. ##Vote VisceraEyes On July 10 2012 00:29 slOosh wrote: I was and very much am for a MrZentor lynch as well. ##Vote: MrZentor On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote: Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. Based on this alone, I speculate a prplhz, VE, MrZentor team with MrZentor as rber based on how the day has been playing out and the lynch direction has been going. However we lynch one scum at a time. I'm comfortable with lynching all three as individuals, and even more so as a team. I also want to consolidate. I'll be trusting marv's and Zephirdd's judgements here. My preference however goes to MrZentor based on how they are keen to redirect the lynch. ##Unvote MrZentor ##Vote VisceraEyes (I'll be checking up online all day so consider my vote good on whoever). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count VisceraEyes (6) prplhz Sinensis marvellosity Zephirdd Dangeresque77 slOosh Sinensis (2) MrZentor Bluelightz MrZentor (1) slOosh Dangeresque77 Zephirdd VisceraEyes VisceraEyes is currently set to be lynched.The day ends in 9.5 hours at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
:/ gg I guess. | ||
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