EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XIX - Page 15
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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Intact
Sweden634 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9640 Posts
so i vote## Anacletus | ||
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Intact
Sweden634 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote: In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies. Uhm, it really doesn't work that way. Because they know that we know that they know that we know... you can get as meta as you want, what it really comes down to is educated guesses, and convincing other people those judgement calls are reasonable. Both sides know the same things, and both sides can try to meta-game. You can't second guess the people who know more than you and get the same updates to info as you. All you can do is look for what they do with the information. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote: In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies. I'm 99% sure that if Anacletus flips town Fencer is scum. His behaviour makes no sense otherwise. I still think Anacletus might be scum if he is than Fencer is probably town but if Anacletus is town Fencer is almost definitely scum. If, when I wake up tomorrow, we don't have enough votes for a lynch I'll unvote and vote for Anacletus since a no lynch won't help us at all and if he flips town I'm sure that Fencer is scum. We should never lynch for information, obviously but we should be ready to use the information from our lynches. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On June 30 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote: He was already viewed as suspicious by Umlaut and a few others before I cast the initial vote. I may have gotten the ball rolling, and cast suspicion on myself in the process, but we still have over a dozen hours left to decide and he probably would have been branded as a lurker and mafia anyway.I'm 99% sure that if Anacletus flips town Fencer is scum. His behaviour makes no sense otherwise. I still think Anacletus might be scum if he is than Fencer is probably town but if Anacletus is town Fencer is almost definitely scum. If, when I wake up tomorrow, we don't have enough votes for a lynch I'll unvote and vote for Anacletus since a no lynch won't help us at all and if he flips town I'm sure that Fencer is scum. We should never lynch for information, obviously but we should be ready to use the information from our lynches. Also, I've decided two things: First, I will always wait two minutes to reply to a post. Always. Second, I will reread my post three times before posting it, beginning to end. These will last for the duration of my first three mafia games, and should keep me from posting as terribly as I have been.  | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
I want you to elaborate on which actions are inexplicable, and why they are as such. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
However, I can easily see this, like I said, as you just trying to be consistent with your earlier behavior to try and get BotD. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing. You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread. Remember to read and reread all the posts! | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote: OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow: Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing. You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread. Remember to read and reread all the posts! I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 You don't think Fencer is scum but you voted him? What the hell? If you are town this is horrible play, vote for someone who you think is scum not someone you think is annoying. Now, I think Fencer is scum so I voted him; what are you doing? On June 30 2012 11:26 JingleHell wrote: If you're really having trouble, and not just trying to be consistent to cover up the slips from earlier, I suggest you go read all of the linked guides, (no really, all of them). Then, forget all the advice you just read, because everyone has read it, and you'll just metagame yourself into a tizzy for no reason. Instead, focus on the generalizations, the state of mind, and the thought processes that were discussed. However, I can easily see this, like I said, as you just trying to be consistent with your earlier behavior to try and get BotD. This is really good advice, we should all follow it. We don't need townies acting like scum just because they are dumb. Come on guys there are 9 of us, we need to start working together, our strength is in numbers. This On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote: OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow: Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing. You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread. Remember to read and reread all the posts! is why I can't imagine that you are town, I bring a case against you and your reaction is to give really generic advice and go to bed? You may as well just claim scum in the thread. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49894 Posts
Is there anyway to know what roles have been filled by players?(I'm not asking who is what, I'm asking only the roles that has been filled since this has so few players therefore not all roles are filled on both sides) | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: Fencer has been quite unproductive, making excuses about being a newbie when he knows this is a newbie game, posting a lot to compensate for that, but I'm not ready to unvote for anacletus just yet. Is there anyway to know what roles have been filled by players?(I'm not asking who is what, I'm asking only the roles that has been filled since this has so few players therefore not all roles are filled on both sides) Although I can't speak to this game I've never once seen a game where we get to learn that in any way except figuring it out for ourselves but thank you! You reminded me I had a question: Can we get a vote count? Please and thanks | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: Fencer has been quite unproductive, making excuses about being a newbie when he knows this is a newbie game, posting a lot to compensate for that, but I'm not ready to unvote for anacletus just yet. Is there anyway to know what roles have been filled by players?(I'm not asking who is what, I'm asking only the roles that has been filled since this has so few players therefore not all roles are filled on both sides) No, the setup is semi-open. You know which roles may appear in the game, but not the number of roles. On June 30 2012 13:50 Promethelax wrote: Although I can't speak to this game I've never once seen a game where we get to learn that in any way except figuring it out for ourselves but thank you! You reminded me I had a question: Can we get a vote count? Please and thanks By my count, the vote total stands as such: Anacletus (6): AmericanUmlaut, BLinD-RawR, BobTheLob, Fencer710, Intact, iamperfection Intact (1): Anacletus Fencer710 (3): Promethelax, JingleHell, Hopeless1der Not Voted: NRGmonk, Myles With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Currently, no one is set to be lynched Day 1. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2576 Posts
I want to reiterate that my encouragement of everyone voting early was not to create a bandwagoning situation, but to force opinions out and (perhaps more importantly) to identify who's reluctant to stick their neck out and be forced to put up posts that can be useful information later in the game. I think that the idea has generated some useful discussion. I want to know from Monk and Myles: Why are you not contributing anything to this discussion? Myles's posting seems a little fishy, "leaning" toward one guy or the other without actually coming out and making any serious analysis. He has just one post that has actual content, though that post is pretty reasonable. My read is leaning more toward an inactive townie than scum, but I don't like that you're not taking a more active part in this discussion. There are only nine of us; we need everyone's input! Monk is just not here. A couple of posts explaining how newbie you are, and a pretty limp-wristed FoS on Anacletus. If Anacletus's "nothing but short posts which don't adequately defend himself" is sufficient for him to be the only player you've even discussed as possible scum, what are we to conclude from your total lack of contribution? There is no reason for town to not be contributing. It's in the mafia players' best interest for there to be a large number of relatively inactive players; then all they have to do is pop in once a day saying "yeah, Umlaut seems like a smart guy, FoS whatever_he_said." If every one of us is in here posting well thought-out analyses of the play so far, then we force them to do so by denying them the camoflage of non-contributing townies. I see no reason thus far to change my vote from Anacletus. He's provided no real defense, and his vote for Intact makes no sense. I don't know what to think about Fencer exactly, but my read on him at the moment is that he's just awful and can be ignored. On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote: I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus. This is good thinking. If Anacletus flips red, I think we absolutely should be taking a hard look at Promethelax and his strident defense. It might be asking for too much to nail mafia night one and get another one to out himself attempting a defense, but if that's actually the situation we've practically won the game already. | ||
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