Newbie Mini Mafia XIX - Page 14

On June 30 2012 06:11 Fencer710 wrote:

I'm 99.9999% sure I was the first one who voted you(And the first one who voted, period). Let me check~

Yes, I was. Though I was an idiot after someone else expressed their concern/suspicion towards me and I unvoted. I should have kept my vote up until you had evidence.

Also I reread all your posts, your posting is somewhat similar to what some have accused me of: Little-No content posts served to keep people from thinking you're lurking.

Also, remember when I said Jinglehell and Anacletus may be in league and fingerpointing eachother to cover? Well I fucked up, NrGmonk pointed his finger at Jinglehell, and Anacletus pointed his finger at NrGmonk for that:

On June 30 2012 06:17 Fencer710 wrote:
Single words are fine, though. Damn lack of edit button increasing my post count artifically.
It's like accidently opening no-gas in a matchup where you normally open gas because you forgot his race, then forced to all-in because you don't know how to open gasless FE.

On June 30 2012 06:39 Hopeless1der wrote:


Argh...Thanks for derailing us hard ghost. It's time to get back to scumhunting now? and for future reference, the quoted post is usually seen as a complete waste of time and reason for suspicion.

On June 30 2012 06:35 Fencer710 wrote:
Saying "I'm not mafia" holds just as much leverage as 'I'm a walrus who is GM in SCII so I can say whatever I want" in an [H] thread by NrGmonk in the SCII strategy section.

I don't think it's possible to tell who is mafia based solely on who is or is not voting, unless only one or two people are/aren't voting.

On June 29 2012 18:22 Fencer710 wrote:
Sorry T_T. I was literally asleep during the day.

For better or for worse, my views are the same as Umlaut's. I can't really add anything. :\

On June 30 2012 06:48 Hopeless1der wrote:


Votes may not tell you who is scum directly but it is a crucial part of building cases in the later stages of the game. Even though we don't know very much right now, we shouldn't be tossing votes around like they're going out of style. Having all these votes piled up on Anacletus so quickly disturbs me. I still consider him the most suspicious, but that's primarily because no one else has done anything noteworthy, except perhaps jingle going crazy at the start there.

btw, Did you expect him to tell you he is mafia? Even if he was, that would be the dumbest move ever.
He's not even trying to save himself with that statement, he's assuming hes as good as dead and suggesting that the non-voters are the scum. Pretty pro-town mentality imo.

On June 30 2012 06:54 JingleHell wrote:


Well, there's also this shady bit that never got completely cleared up. Add that to spammy posts, and yeah, you're at least worth watching.

On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting.

On June 29 2012 18:47 Fencer710 wrote:

shit I'm an idiot. I'm acting like scum. I also forgot to mention this is my first game.

I guess it's my fault for having the same views as you. Do you want me to word it differently as well? I'll do so:

- Anacletus is very suspicious, not really doing anything but posting a lot.

-Jinglehell is similar, but doesn't feel as suspicious since he actually has some direction although he is a bit all over the place as well.

I'll talk more later, I have to reread everything a few more times :\

On June 29 2012 21:15 Fencer710 wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that the only thing JH was talking about was lynching players.

Wow, I didn't realize that the only thing JH was talking about was lynching players.

shit I'm an idiot. I'm acting like scum. I also forgot to mention this is my first game.

I guess it's my fault for having the same views as you. Do you want me to word it differently as well? I'll do so:

- Anacletus is very suspicious, not really doing anything but posting a lot.

-Jinglehell is similar, but doesn't feel as suspicious since he actually has some direction although he is a bit all over the place as well.

I'll talk more later, I have to reread everything a few more times :\

On June 30 2012 09:30 Fencer710 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +EBWOP: At the beginning here, I mean to say that I forgot why Anacletus was called out for being scum while posting.

Also It's pretty easy to point out a newbie's mistakes as scum behaviour, I consistently start stopping 'scummy' behaviour, aka spamming and indecisiveness as you/I catch it.

You should never post reflexively or impulsively. The content of your posts should flow together naturally while indicating “I am helping the town”.

When reading the thread, make sure you are not caught up in the moment. This is a forum with dynamic discussion, not a novel. Reading the thread in chronological fashion will therefore likely lead to confusion and a lack of focus. Because people are reading the thread at different times and will often post their thoughts without considering if the topic is exhausted, certain controversial issues can get dragged out in the thread and become disproportionately visible compared to their actual significance.

On June 30 2012 06:11 Fencer710 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Not relevant, read if you want] +
Also, remember when I said Jinglehell and Anacletus may be in league and fingerpointing eachother to cover? Well I fucked up, NrGmonk pointed his finger at Jinglehell, and Anacletus pointed his finger at NrGmonk for that:

Inflate unimportant matters. If town is spending the first day debating whether to lynch or no-lynch, then that is an entire day lost where they could have been analyzing and pressuring people. In general, policy debates are unproductive for the town and are a good way to create distractions.

Post misleading analysis. Newer mafia are usually afraid to push suspicions and instead wait to see what the town consensus is before jumping onto any particular lynch. This is a mistake that can often get you caught, particularly if other mafia are on the chopping block. Don’t be afraid to push for the lynch of suspicious townies. Focus on the suspicious aspects of their play and punish them for it.

Inexperienced mafia teams often suffer from a lack of cohesion and planning. Though the team may have one or two active members, the rest often suffer from fear of posting. Because of a lack of communication between the mafia, they are stuck more in the mindset of individual survival, rather than looking at the bigger picture of how they can be working together to push their agenda.

If one of your mafia buddies is being attacked, do not freak out and immediately defend them. However, do not totally ignore the case against them either, as you will only look suspicious should they get killed. Generally, there are two things you can do to help ease the focus off your ally. You can either dismiss the case by attacking it head on (i.e., dismissing the accusations as fallacious), or distracting the town (i.e., bringing up another subject, or proposing an alternative target). In keeping with the above advice, determine how strong the case against your ally actually is and plan accordingly. Sometimes, a combination of the two works best. If the case is weak, you can often get away with acknowledging it then quickly dismissing it while moving on to a different topic.

Just because someone makes stupid posts does not mean they are mafia. Oftentimes, the people who make the blatantly bad posts are not really mafia; they are just careless townies. Townies are frequently bored, while the mafia are not. On the other hand, townies usually aren’t afraid to post, while the mafia are. When you are considering whether a post was made by a mafia or a townie, make sure to consider the motivations behind the words. If you end up thinking that the player is mafia, go back and ask yourself if there is a possible townie explanation for a player’s posts. If some sort of reasonable explanation exists, it is okay to go forward with your accusation, but don’t go overboard. Many townies have been lynched by overzealous townies who convinced themselves that their target was mafia, even though there was plenty of doubt as to their actual alignment.