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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
this was a fun game to read | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On July 01 2012 14:13 Oberyn wrote: Where are the links to the Day/Night posts? Now I want to read the whole story since the beginning  :O :O :O :O *its 2012* It's the end of the world! Everybody run! I'll put them up later cause I'm lazy and I'm coding/playing games lol thanks to Artanis, all the players and particularly xsksc for replacing in quickly and being active | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
 Weird game I was actually not around alot and my case on rasta didn't suck so yay! | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On July 01 2012 14:14 NoSmurfHere wrote: this was a fun game to read I'm glad you could find some joy in it. Thanks to WBG and Artanis for hosting and beeing great hosts. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 01 2012 15:09 HiroPro wrote: lol, fail smurf is fail ? I'm definitely not a smurf | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
But you should consider using two different browsers lol. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't think that town could have figured out my alignment very well on day1 (maybe partly because my town is bad but that's irrelevant) because suggesting a policy lynch 5 minutes into the game is generally not something scum do. They can prod me with it (and they did!) but then I just made up a dumb case and that's generally not something scum will do either when faced with the very simple logic: we don't lynch people just because you don't like them. I imagine scum will say "alright" and back off instead of just start making a dumb case. When zentor ends up getting lynched with 8 votes they can't even blame me for leading that lynch. The only way I think I could have been caught for sure was this post by VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz is good town player. I say this not because he's often right (because he's not) but because he's often very transparently town, like me. Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II My first game with prplhz. His play is much better these days, but this is a good illustration of what I mean when I say a good town player. Contributing, honest and willing to talk about things. Open with his suspicions, and reacts decently to pressure (ironically, I thought he was scum and tunneled him pretty bad.) Furthermore, I don't think prplhz is the type of player to bring a grudge like that between games. He's not that kind of player, and has been around long enough to know that's a losing strategy. He's putting on a show. I think so because look at how he reacts to my interaction with it. To be honest, I like my vote where it's at...I just don't want to stop scumhunting with marvel. The bolded statement is very true, when I saw that zentor was in the game I thought "well, lets just make a fresh start" but then I thought "meh, I'll just tunnel the shit out of him because I'm scum and I have a semi-legitimate reason". I think scum's biggest mistake was that we didn't shoot marvellosity on night3. We were pretty sure that he'd shoot VisceraEyes but somehow we didn't predict that that would make him confirmed town and that everybody would be very likely to just sheep him allowing for zero manipulation. If we had shot him then people might have sheeped Probulous on whatever but that was more unlikely since he would not be confirmed and with a mislynch scum would be in a decent position (we would probably have squandered it but anyway). slOosh and rastaban both played well. Like pointed out, slOosh was susceptible to manipulation with his Snarfs read (I think he backed off of Snarfs because I called him null-leaning-town and there wasn't any other support for it either) and he'll just need to change that. I don't know if making small posts or big posts in trying to manipulate town into lynching the guy you want lynched is anything town needs to work on as long as you're making yourself clear. Scum thought that Shraft was the serial killer until the end and I think rastaban did a good job hiding. This could have won him the game if he'd just been a little better at hitting scum with his shots (shooting scum instead of Shraft would lead to 2-1-1 with rastaban on two lives which would be winning position for him if remaining scum would shoot Shraft thinking that he was the SK). marvellosity made a huge comeback but I think that having a 23 page filter in a 75 pages 12 player game is way too much and absolutely unnecessary. You'll do a lot better cutting down on that. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Also the fact that you were talking about how you had "a case to post", yet were pushing for Zentor to be lynched should have been another red flag. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Two reasons (policy + scummy) to lynch someone is better than one (scummy)! You can have a weaker scum read that you don't talk about. That's perfectly okay. Some people talked about the timing and that was probably right, I made the Zephirdd post 'cause I was afraid people would go after me for not doing anything but tunneling zentor. As a townie I probably wouldn't be afraid and I wouldn't post the Zephirdd case at that time (I would wait until the night deadline or I would accompany it with a vote), but as a townie that would probably have gotten me lynched for only tunneling zentor (but as a townie I wouldn't have done that anyway so  ) | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Really well done on the roleblocker lynch though, no clue how you pulled that off ('cause you refused to tell me other than "I spent 4 hours figuring it out!" ). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 01 2012 18:51 prplhz wrote: marvellosity shouldn't have shot VisceraEyes because it was pretty obvious that VisceraEyes wasn't scum. If he was scum then he would have lynched marvellosity when he had the chance for being vigilante who wanted to shoot him. Backing out of that should make it pretty clear to marvellosity that VisceraEyes was town. Really well done on the roleblocker lynch though, no clue how you pulled that off ('cause you refused to tell me other than "I spent 4 hours figuring it out!" ).You make some valid points in a couple of your posts this page 1) yes, my filter was abhorrently long. Fortunately by a certain stage people didn't have to read it anymore. One way or another I was a dominant factor in this game (for dominant, don't read good, just... prevalent). I got spammy at the end especially because I was fishing for information / trying to control town. 2) I should not have shot VE. I said so in obsQT. Basically my rational side was telling me it was a bad play but my emotional side of me wanted me to shoot VE. Even though I'd logically realised it was terrible, I couldn't stop myself :/ 3) The roleblocker thing was a hunch based on how the game had played out. I drew on slOosh's earlier analysis and my own on how Snarfs had been taking more of a back seat than expected. And whether it was on purpose or not, it would be hard for scum, psychologically, to bus their roleblocker; it's their clutch role. 4) Despite how confident I appeared/looked during day 3, I still felt my ability to make reads had been compromised by events earlier in the game. On rastaban especially I drew heavily on how VE and Probulous had or hadn't viewed him, and I got confirmation bias from this. Unfortunately re:slOosh again, I didn't give enough weight to the fact that he ended up attacking rastaban having not done so originally (I believe I made a post on it in the thread somewhere). In fact, I did go back to look at xsksc's day 2 to see if he'd got a check as cop. I couldn't quite work it out, and the fact he subbed in not at the day post made me abandon my thought. Actually the first time I really really felt a tingle about rastaban was his vote on Snarfs day 3. He made up some bullshit one-line explanation of his vote, when really at that stage he'd set out his stall to sheep me, so he did not NEED to make that justification. It wasn't enough though (I wasn't swapping shraft and rastaban at that stage) 5) Shraft - hey man, I'm sorry for doing in miniature to you what VE did to me. I was relying on whoever the townie was (you) working out why I was behaving aloof / not willing to give information etc day 3. It was partly your job to help me 'see the light' on everything. But you didn't note prplhz couldn't be RB (which I'd fished for), you were lazily calling people scum (prplhz/rastaban) and you were heavily antagonising me. 6) VE - kinda agree with someone else that wbg laid into VE quite heavily, even if some of it was deserved. What I most liked about wbg's analysis there though is that he picked up on multiple times where VE was twisting or manipulating what I was saying. I tried on numerous occasions to point this out to town and all I got back was "uh, don't think he is really." This didn't help me out. Thank you very much to the hosts of this game. It was a clusterfuck but a massive learning experience for me. WoF I wasn't really involved and I got lynched, but this was the first game I was at serious risk of being lynched even though I really was trying hard. As such my ability to make reads while under heavy pressure suffered greatly. Also, town won wtf fuck yes!!!! Probeyyyyy <3 I don't believe we won!!! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Literally nothing else happened for d1 and d2. It'd be naive and foolish to assert anything else. It makes everything else completely irrelevant, and you know as a player it affected scum play too. It affected your choice to not roleblock marvellosity, for one (among a dozen other simple examples I could easily name) To put it into perspective, at the time VE died marvellosity and VE combined counted for literally half the game's posts (31 pages of filter for them both out of 62 total.) I'd reckon at least 80% of the posts in the game up till that point had to do with one or both of them. e: I also shouldn't have to mention that literally the only reason none of the scum died until a certain point was because discussion could never get past one of marvellosity/VE being scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
That last scenario is wildly speculative. You can't just say "if part of the game didn't happen but everybody else played the same then this and that would have happened" because I doubt anybody would have played the same if VisceraEyes/marvellosity wasn't going on. You can't just take something out and leave the rest in because the rest will of course have changed too. At the same time you are suggesting that there would have been no mislynches at all if VisceraEyes/marvellosity hadn't been going on. I really doubt that and you should know it's not that easy to find scum, I have never seen you pick out scum teams on day1. The main job of the host is to make the game enjoyable for everybody and you did a really great job as usual except for the postgame analysis (well, mostly the Obs QT). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
@marv: I was being as asshole as well. I should've tried to make helpful posts instead of taunting you. Sorry. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Sorry guys. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
But Bugs is right in that nothing else could feasibly be expected to occur. For that, I apologize. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On July 01 2012 20:06 marvellosity wrote: 4) Despite how confident I appeared/looked during day 3, I still felt my ability to make reads had been compromised by events earlier in the game. On rastaban especially I drew heavily on how VE and Probulous had or hadn't viewed him, and I got confirmation bias from this. Unfortunately re:slOosh again, I didn't give enough weight to the fact that he ended up attacking rastaban having not done so originally Well, scum didn't shoot slOosh because he attacked Rastaban. They thought Rastaban was town. I had a blue read on Rastaban on day 2 because he looked kinda town but off-meta. SKs do often look quite different from scum, as they don't have the associative tells and their scumhunting is usually genuine. I think it's better to ignore them until you get to a point where you'd want to lynch them, which was never the case in this game. Any SK-hunting on day 3 was suspicious. On July 01 2012 20:06 marvellosity wrote: 6) VE - kinda agree with someone else that wbg laid into VE quite heavily, even if some of it was deserved. What I most liked about wbg's analysis there though is that he picked up on multiple times where VE was twisting or manipulating what I was saying. I tried on numerous occasions to point this out to town and all I got back was "uh, don't think he is really." This didn't help me out. Yeah, I agreed with your case against VE. I didn't figure VE was town until late in day 2. WBG might be channelling a bit of rage from MTG here. Can't say I blame him. On July 01 2012 20:06 marvellosity wrote: Also, town won wtf fuck yes!!!! Probeyyyyy <3 I don't believe we won!!! Not sure why scum and SK didn't arrange a mutual draw on the last day. Rastaban forgot he wasn't town, maybe | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 01 2012 17:48 prplhz wrote: Scum thought that Shraft was the serial killer until the end and I think rastaban did a good job hiding. This could have won him the game if he'd just been a little better at hitting scum with his shots (shooting scum instead of Shraft would lead to 2-1-1 with rastaban on two lives which would be winning position for him if remaining scum would shoot Shraft thinking that he was the SK). not all scum | ||
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