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Vivax
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I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen I still find these options to be risky overall After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me. | ||
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On June 28 2012 00:25 JieXian wrote: No. It was between roffles and Hopeless. You weren't on the chopping block at all. If roffles was scum and Esspen saved him at the last moment -> Esspen = scum. Simple right? JieXian, you posted this earlier. Don't you support the gain of information from a lynch of either Esspen or the roflewaffle55 replacement? Right now two are pushing a case against me, one of them might be scum, and you prefer to suspect Bio. While I don't trust Bio entirely cause of Release's connection to him and his following death, it would be nice if town could focus and handle single cases instead of making so many at once, and atm my case and the Esspen vs rofl one are unsolved and need feedback. | ||
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Still, you understand my point regarding the two I would lynch for information, as proven by my above post, and you skip it to put a FoS and a vote other than your FoS a few minutes later. Note, I still have to post my complete defense, and I still need to hear more people's opinions before doing so. | ||
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Makes me a sad panda. Jingle, there is a difference between a town suspecting lots of different people at once (what I actually wrote and claimed to be bad) and a townie having multiple targets at once (what I am doing). What I'm saying is that town should be able to reach conclusions on single players, not that each townie should just focus on one. There are 3 mafia, and what you are doing at the moment is either having really bad reads and tunneling me blindly, or you are scum trying to evade that lynch I'm proposing by attacking me directly. You completely ignored Esspens weird posts, and from a townie perspective, lynching either you or him would bring a lot of clarity into the game. His behavior is incredibly suspicious, and yours is just bad. You never posted anything besides things against me, you are only able to take into consideration one player in the whole game, and that makes you either really bad as townie or really scummy. If you are townie, start reading from the first post on. If you are scum, then keep posting, but what I still have to post will send you to a grave. And I'm keeping that for myself until it's gonna be really effective. | ||
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On June 28 2012 20:41 Vivax wrote: If we kill Esspen and he is scum, then JingleHell most likely is scum, too. (For being protected by Esspen against his own beliefs) If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything. If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle. If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that. And don't forget that my main target is Keirathi cause of his mafiavibes. You're putting words into my mouth saying that I prefer a policy lynch to a scumminess lynch, Jingle. The post I'm quoting myself from proves it, too. | ||
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On June 27 2012 08:14 Esspen wrote: There are cases, but those cases are not going to be lynched anyway as now it's either Hopeless or Rofl. I unfortunately cannot vote for Hopeless as only thing he's done is gone maybe too far with attacking you, otherwise I completely agree with him. 40 minutes later: On June 27 2012 08:53 Esspen wrote: ##Vote Hopeless1der You said you voted cause Bio posted a case. On June 28 2012 21:57 Esspen wrote: I'm terribly sorry for lurking, for some reason I thought we could not post during the night (based on what I read here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night ), and the day started for me at 2 am when I was already asleep. My defence is that I'm not mafia. And I voted for Hopeless in the end because I've read all BioSC's case against him few minutes before voting and decided to vote for him, and in the worst case that he was townie I would just press against BioSC even more (which I'm going to do as of now). Plus I'm good soul and like saving people. Your defence is that...You are not mafia...Thumbs up. Why do you even suspect Bio?Cause of a mislynch?They can happen especially at the start of the game. I saw a OMGUS match between Bio and hopeless turning worse for hopeless, but that doesn't mean Bio is scum. With this post you actually are admitting to have bandwagoned. You made your vote in the very last as a lurking player. You're telling me you voted for him cause you ate the case of the guy you're FoSing now (Bio). Why exactly would you FoS him only after that mislynch YOU provoked? If you felt the case by Bio against hopeless was solid, why do you all of sudden try so hard to distance yourself from it and blame Bio for that mislynch? It is your fault only that hopeless got lynched, stop blaming Bio for it, he posted the case, you decided to kill him. Now that I want you and/or the guy you covered with your vote (roflwaffle55) dead, you both try pretty hard to get me lynched. | ||
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If you think you are a good townie, then you should have found it already. At least now town will know that there is at least one scum jumping on the bandwagon against me, and scum might even have started it. | ||
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Miltonkram wrote My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers? I'll give you my taker, none of them are scum in my book.dNa not jumping on the bandwagon against me and focusing on the really suspicious guy with numerous slips made me sure of his townie status. I had huge insecurity about BioSC regarding that matter, but I looked extensively at his filter and he didn't look scummy enough for me. Mostly because of his agitation when random votes occurred. I doubt a real mafia would act like that if he saw townies throw around votes without real effect. Mafia would lean back, watch the lynch happen. Not start ranting about pointless votes. Miltonkram. Question 1: Did you get booted from the obs qt for being a replacement? This is also a question to the host. Saying my reads are wishy washy is super wrong. You can see the full reasoning behind the information lynch and what we gain from lynching either Jingle or Esspen. The best part is that your case consists of saying that we should lynch based on scumreads, not for information or lurking. Since I want to lynch for information or lukring, I am the only scumread in the game by your logic. The problem is that I never made my cases ignoring scumreads, there simply weren't any available besides from those concerning Esspen. This seems to be what you are thinking: Esspen suggests lynching blues, Esspen changes vote last minute after announcing he wouldn't vote for that, Esspen doesn't contribute anything useful to town, and instead of getting more active after his slips, he gets even more silent than he was during day 1. Still, he can't be scum. So do me a favor, Milton: Say it out loud that you ignore all these facts against Esspen, that I am scummy for suspecting him cause you claim that it's just for information and policy. And then say that killing him won't reveal us anything about Jingle's alignment, the guy covered last minute by Esspens vote. I'm not just lynching for policy. I'm lynching for scumtells of a lurking guy that will give us information about another one upon his death. Also, thank you for giving in to the pressure created by my delayed defense. Upon my eventual death you might be the first to land on the chopping block. By Milton I think he's waiting so that town doesn't have enough time to process his "huge reveal" and might knee-jerk a voteswitch off of him. I'm pretty sure you were also discussing this in the mafia qt haha. | ||
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I am inclined to believe BassInSpace to be townie. But he apologizes a lot for time zone differences. I don't know your rhythm and cannot estimate the time available to you for real. Many of his posts seem to be on-the-go, some have craploads of mistakes in them. I don't believe mafia would post carelessly like that. That said, I'll give you my list of potential mafia to be used in case I get lynched: Miltonkram, JingleHell, Esspen, Keirathi, NrGMonk | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It's actually not that hard to guess + Show Spoiler + You just have to look at the guy I was suspecting from day 1 on + Show Spoiler + Since I was suspicious of him, and being the detective + Show Spoiler + I checked him and he returned scum Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me. | ||
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I suppose, Vivax, that on night 1, you checked every single individual who was going to make a case against you today, and everyone is scum, right? Lol what. I can only check one, and you know it. Also,there was no case against me on night 1. The cases started when I unfolded my suspect list, just that I wasn't sure of Esspen cause he covered you with his vote in the last minute, so I tried to breadcrumb it in a way that town would lynch one of you. Keirathi was simply the next one to suspect. There are still 2 other mafia besides you, and 4 people left to choose them from my list. Your behavior proves that you are scum, too. Something doesn't add up here, so I'm going to accuse you of a false roleclaim to get your head off the chopping block. If you knew you were townie, you could just stay cool now, since no matter who of us dies today, the other will die too the next day. That's a situation with a guaranteed -1 scum. | ||
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I've already given you all my clear arguments regarding JingleHell. And in a game where there are 3 mafia, he goes in for the replacement to only suspect one guy, namely the guy who on the other hand wants to lynch him. I've been tunneled mercilessly by this guy cause I was about to bring town on the right track to lynch him. There's probably a scum in here who tried to help him dilute my points against Jingle. Oh, and Esspen came back once I claimed, what a coincidence: On June 29 2012 23:28 Esspen wrote: There isl no chance he's detective, I'm ready to bet on my kidney. Why would he be accusing all the people he accused if he could focus on the one he knew to be the scum and make a good case on him. This seems like a very sad fake roleclaim. I'm making the case on him since the beginning of this fucking day, dude.And against you for covering him. | ||
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On June 29 2012 23:48 JingleHell wrote: Actually, the cases started BEFORE you unfolded your "suspect list", and I believe they helped shape it, as it's been changing constantly since. nope. I suspected the person you replaced to be mafia before night 1, and after night 1, I included Keirathi for his style aswell. You act as if I should just pursue one case at once like you do when there are three mafia. If I just breadcrumbed my post to suspect you, that would have made me look like I tunneled you for no reason since we didn't have much information from the guy you replaced at that point. Think I would have had success in getting town to lynch you with such a strat? It would only have worked if I claimed immediately, but I wasn't at danger and had no reason to. You aren't answering why you were more interested in lynching Keirathi than me until recently, when you theoretically knew I was scum, and only really had him for lurking. I wouldn't buy that with a coupon and someone else's money. Never been more interested in lynching him. I just found the reasons to add him to my list of suspects. I can place my FoS on multiple people at once. | ||
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But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now. Has anyone seen Keirathi posting in this day? Well he has no reason to, since most of town has never pressured him the slightiest. That was the whole purpose of lynch all lurkers: Don't let them lurk. Yet they were able to keep lurking cause someone here stirred up a case against me. The whole supposed scumslip by me was the fact that I suspected Jingle and Esspen and wanted to lynch them for information. That's what you build your post up on, and 4 lines: JingleHell's first post against me contains these accusations (actually they are lines) after he quotes me 4 times to inflate his post, bolded ones are my answers: 1.Note the levels of effort. It's almost like it should be a foregone conclusion who to target. I get criticized for effort. Ridiculous. 2.Pointing out a definition of scummy that suits his agenda of trying to get people targeted. If a last minute vote to protect a lurker against an active poster isn't scummy, then I don't know what definition for scummy you use.Also remember that I almost managed to save the first mislynched townie with my vote, why would I do that as mafia???[/b] 3.Again, targeting specific people based on a policy lynch that actually doesn't favor town very well in the current climate. It's not a policy lynch. I didn't target people day 2 just cause they were lurking, I analyzed their posts. 4.Calling out the scum, but absolutely no interest in him? It's like he wants to look above reproach. [b]Exactly which post of mine suggests that I have no interest in what I'm targetting?What kind of bad accuse is this? Aside from your ridiculous arguments in your first case against me, you seem to assume again that I would just blindly pursue you in front of the other townies cause you returned scum. You should know that I wouldn't have managed to get you lynched if I didn't claim. On June 30 2012 00:19 BassInSpace wrote: The DT can only make checks at night. That was still during day 1. What the heck are you talking about. I suspected the guy he replaced to be scum day, so I checked him night 1, and I knew for a fact that he was scum day 2. But people immediately jumped on a bandwagon created by him and others against me. Also, try to debunk this defense: Why the hell did I try to get roflwaffle55 lynched instead of a townie? How can scum do this? Why would scum try and stop a townie from getting lynched?Scum managed to get a townie lynched day 1, and I should be scum cause I tried to stop that from happening? Dude, please. Imagine if I were scum, had switched that vote successfully and hit the said-to-be townie roflwaffle55/JingleHell. I would have been instalynched day 2 for looking like I had protected hopeless from getting lynched. And for what then?He was town anyway. | ||
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What the heck are you talking about. I suspected the guy he replaced to be scum day 1, so I checked him night 1, and I knew for a fact that he was scum day 2. But people immediately jumped on a bandwagon created by him and others against me. | ||
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You don't understand. If you lynch the guy I'm accusing, you know if I spoke the truth and you still have the DT. If you lynch the DT, you know the guy he accused is scum, but you lost the DT. Why do you choose the worse option? Both give the same information, but one kills a blue role. | ||
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